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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 13:56:36 GMT -8
Adult male silverback gorillas seem indomitable. Besides have super power monkey strength, they also have the cunning of the primate and would seem to be able to use a strategy to dispatch a bear. However a full grown Grizzly Bear has been witnessed decapitating the head of a charging moose with one swipe of it's paw. definitely a good match up and one that one will ever see (again). That's probably a good thing. So who wins? Quora saysDo you agree? |
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Post by sagebrush on Sept 29, 2018 21:48:07 GMT -8
Both pikers compared to a wolverine. Put one of those guys in front of a mirror, and he will fight himself to death.
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 1, 2018 10:44:10 GMT -8
Da bears - Gorillas are smart, and they would exit the vicinity fast. They (and almost any animal not a bear) are outgunned in a one on one fight.
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Post by seastape on Oct 2, 2018 11:19:45 GMT -8
I'll take the Griz. Gorillas are strong, but bears are no slouch in that department, either. Plus...the claws on the bear are no slouch and the Griz will outweigh the Gorilla by 2-3x.
Plus...people think Grizzlies are kind of slow and meandering, but if you have ever seen one that is truly pissed off and using its speed...they are alarming fast, alarmingly agile, and alarmingly quick.
I know the question was "bear" so I suppose gorillas would do fine against some of the smaller black bears, but I think when it got to grizzlies and polars...forget it. Bear all the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 13:38:10 GMT -8
I'll take the Griz. Gorillas are strong, but bears are no slouch in that department, either. Plus...the claws on the bear are no slouch and the Griz will outweigh the Gorilla by 2-3x.
Plus...people think Grizzlies are kind of slow and meandering, but if you have ever seen one that is truly pissed off and using its speed...they are alarming fast, alarmingly agile, and alarmingly quick.
I know the question was "bear" so I suppose gorillas would do fine against some of the smaller black bears, but I think when it got to grizzlies and polars...forget it. Bear all the way. how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 2, 2018 14:30:57 GMT -8
I'll take the Griz. Gorillas are strong, but bears are no slouch in that department, either. Plus...the claws on the bear are no slouch and the Griz will outweigh the Gorilla by 2-3x.
Plus...people think Grizzlies are kind of slow and meandering, but if you have ever seen one that is truly pissed off and using its speed...they are alarming fast, alarmingly agile, and alarmingly quick.
I know the question was "bear" so I suppose gorillas would do fine against some of the smaller black bears, but I think when it got to grizzlies and polars...forget it. Bear all the way. how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. Of course, unless it's s large/open trigger mechanism the gorilla would not be able to fit a digit in to fire?! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 14:49:13 GMT -8
how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. Of course, unless it's s large/open trigger mechanism the gorilla would not be able to fit a digit in to fire?! the bigger question is would the gorilla be able to make the intuitive leap to Vanquish the danger with the weapon |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2018 16:00:28 GMT -8
I'll take the Griz. Gorillas are strong, but bears are no slouch in that department, either. Plus...the claws on the bear are no slouch and the Griz will outweigh the Gorilla by 2-3x.
Plus...people think Grizzlies are kind of slow and meandering, but if you have ever seen one that is truly pissed off and using its speed...they are alarming fast, alarmingly agile, and alarmingly quick.
I know the question was "bear" so I suppose gorillas would do fine against some of the smaller black bears, but I think when it got to grizzlies and polars...forget it. Bear all the way. how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. Unfortunately, the forest and jungle have been declared Gun Free Zones to protect the public, so the gorilla in good conscience would not use the weapon even when threatened by the grizzly. |
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Post by seastape on Oct 2, 2018 17:37:45 GMT -8
I'll take the Griz. Gorillas are strong, but bears are no slouch in that department, either. Plus...the claws on the bear are no slouch and the Griz will outweigh the Gorilla by 2-3x.
Plus...people think Grizzlies are kind of slow and meandering, but if you have ever seen one that is truly pissed off and using its speed...they are alarming fast, alarmingly agile, and alarmingly quick.
I know the question was "bear" so I suppose gorillas would do fine against some of the smaller black bears, but I think when it got to grizzlies and polars...forget it. Bear all the way. how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. That's a fair point, sir. On the other hand, the gorilla may have the intelligence to fire the weapon...does it understand aim? Does it understand the ability to rapid fire? Does it have the manual dexterity combined with the intelligence to fire more than once with good aim? These questions I think are relevant because most grizzlies are tough enough that one bullet is not going to end the battle unless it is a precisely aimed shot.
I suppose that there may be other scenarios in which a gorilla might have a decent advantage over a grizzly...what about the element of surprise? If the gorilla could leap out of a tree onto the bear's back and start choking the bear out before the bear even realizes that there is a fight on, they may go very poorly for the bear. On the other hand...bears have a phenomenal sense of smell...quite better than that of dogs...so the bear would likely know that the gorilla was in the area and may not be as susceptible to surprise.
I don't know...this question might be beyond me. On the other hand, I can be like most people and not let my lack of knowledge prevent me from arguing the point. No need to let ignorance get in the way of a good argument, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 19:51:13 GMT -8
how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. That's a fair point, sir. On the other hand, the gorilla may have the intelligence to fire the weapon...does it understand aim? Does it understand the ability to rapid fire? Does it have the manual dexterity combined with the intelligence to fire more than once with good aim? These questions I think are relevant because most grizzlies are tough enough that one bullet is not going to end the battle unless it is a precisely aimed shot.
I suppose that there may be other scenarios in which a gorilla might have a decent advantage over a grizzly...what about the element of surprise? If the gorilla could leap out of a tree onto the bear's back and start choking the bear out before the bear even realizes that there is a fight on, they may go very poorly for the bear. On the other hand...bears have a phenomenal sense of smell...quite better than that of dogs...so the bear would likely know that the gorilla was in the area and may not be as susceptible to surprise.
I don't know...this question might be beyond me. On the other hand, I can be like most people and not let my lack of knowledge prevent me from arguing the point. No need to let ignorance get in the way of a good argument, eh?
There is no ignorance in the hypothetical. For all we know a grizzly and a gorilla may well both refuse to engage in combat, either in a cage or in the wild, because they do not recognize the other as a natural enemy or prey. That's the way I'm leaning. Thanks for helping me suss this out. It's been weighing on my mind. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 2, 2018 20:17:02 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 2, 2018 20:18:33 GMT -8
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Post by ag87 on Oct 4, 2018 19:43:30 GMT -8
I think I remember reading something from Mark Twain where he saw a fight staged between a grizzly and either an adult male lion or tiger. I want to say it was in Mexico and probably 1860 to 1880. He said the lion or tiger was dead within seconds.
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Post by four2itus on Oct 9, 2018 15:14:36 GMT -8
Of course, unless it's s large/open trigger mechanism the gorilla would not be able to fit a digit in to fire?! the bigger question is would the gorilla be able to make the intuitive leap to Vanquish the danger with the weapon OR use a gun with a banana clip. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 11, 2018 21:16:15 GMT -8
how can you say that without knowing the rules? If weapons are allowed and provided, the gorilla has the opposable thumbs and the intelligence to fire a fairly large revolver. Just throwing that out there. Unfortunately, the forest and jungle have been declared Gun Free Zones to protect the public, so the gorilla in good conscience would not use the weapon even when threatened by the grizzly. A gorilla in good conscience. LOL. |
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