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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 17:43:32 GMT -8
fascinating write-up about the Pacific Coast Champion Beaver teams of the Slats Gill era based on an interview with an angry old man who still harbors a grudge against Slats Gills and bemoans the wasted talent on that Swede Halbrook team. By the way Swede Halbrook had a little bit of the Darryl Dawkins underachieving going on apparently. Good thing Slats Gill is long dead and under the table payments were stopped by the NCAA a long time ago. Everybody does things out in the open now. Just dont leave a paper trail. Tales of a Mad Hooker |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 16, 2018 18:29:09 GMT -8
No false modesty for Mr Vlastelica.
I wouldn't call him a liar about taking cash to come to OSU but I have a feeling that it didn't take anything like $10,000 a year to ($90K in today's money) buy Tony's enrollment at OSU
21 year old high school senior and 24 year old college sophomore. Those were the days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 5:33:27 GMT -8
No false modesty for Mr Vlastelica. I wouldn't call him a liar about taking cash to come to OSU but I have a feeling that it didn't take anything like $10,000 a year to ($90K in today's money) buy Tony's enrollment at OSU 21 year old high school senior and 24 year old college sophomore. Those were the days. yeah he is probably exaggerating about the contract. The pros weren't offering him a deal that good or he would have taken it. He wasn't going to school for the education. |
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 17, 2018 9:13:25 GMT -8
I only know two things, that Swede did march to the beat of a different drummer, and that there is an (apocryphal) story of a player from the UW football team that was asked if he was excited about being drafted into the NFL in the late 50's. His reply was something to the effect that getting drafted was great, but he didn't like the pay cut. $10,000 a year works out to about $75,000 in today's bucks - just wonder about the fish that keeps getting bigger with every telling of the story. That must have been one dysfunctional squad for a coach to manage.
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Post by gzr on Sept 17, 2018 11:07:20 GMT -8
I only know two things, that Swede did march to the beat of a different drummer, and that there is an (apocryphal) story of a player from the UW football team that was asked if he was excited about being drafted into the NFL in the late 50's. His reply was something to the effect that getting drafted was great, but he didn't like the pay cut. $10,000 a year works out to about $75,000 in today's bucks - just wonder about the fish that keeps getting bigger with every telling of the story. That must have been one dysfunctional squad for a coach to manage. Swede did march to a different drummer. He was different--treated more or less like a freak in those days--came from a modest background to put it mildly--had a drinking problem among other things (he was not alone in this respect in those days) The story you are referring to was Hugh McIlhenny sp? from UW when he went to the 49ers. It was actually in the early 50's. I have no idea if the quote was true or not, but UW was well known for paying players. Tony Vlastelica was well known on campus. His convertible was always visible and he cut a wide swath. He was a very good ballplayer, but probably not as good as he remembers. There were lots of good players on the team he talks about. If he had thought more about the team than he thought about himself, maybe things would have worked out better for everyone. I saw the game against USF--great ball game, different era. Swede was a force when he came to play. Players in those days had problems with Slats from time to time. Slats had a system he wanted to run. You don't get to 599 wins by being disorganized. Some of the players, just like today, want the game to be all about them. I have mentioned many times in the past on these forums, Slats was a hard guy. Cross Ralph and sit for a couple minutes and then go back in. Cross Slats and sit for a couple games or more. Some of the guys couldn't handle the pressure. To the point of Slats paying players--I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. The stories of the boys downtown slipping a few bills to people was not unheard of--the word got around that so and so was downtown and some of the players made a beeline that way; I know that for a fact but I am not going to name names. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 17, 2018 15:13:15 GMT -8
I only know two things, that Swede did march to the beat of a different drummer, and that there is an (apocryphal) story of a player from the UW football team that was asked if he was excited about being drafted into the NFL in the late 50's. His reply was something to the effect that getting drafted was great, but he didn't like the pay cut. $10,000 a year works out to about $75,000 in today's bucks - just wonder about the fish that keeps getting bigger with every telling of the story. That must have been one dysfunctional squad for a coach to manage. Swede did march to a different drummer. He was different--treated more or less like a freak in those days--came from a modest background to put it mildly--had a drinking problem among other things (he was not alone in this respect in those days) The story you are referring to was Hugh McIlhenny sp? from UW when he went to the 49ers. It was actually in the early 50's. I have no idea if the quote was true or not, but UW was well known for paying players. Tony Vlastelica was well known on campus. His convertible was always visible and he cut a wide swath. He was a very good ballplayer, but probably not as good as he remembers. There were lots of good players on the team he talks about. If he had thought more about the team than he thought about himself, maybe things would have worked out better for everyone. I saw the game against USF--great ball game, different era. Swede was a force when he came to play. Players in those days had problems with Slats from time to time. Slats had a system he wanted to run. You don't get to 599 wins by being disorganized. Some of the players, just like today, want the game to be all about them. I have mentioned many times in the past on these forums, Slats was a hard guy. Cross Ralph and sit for a couple minutes and then go back in. Cross Slats and sit for a couple games or more. Some of the guys couldn't handle the pressure. To the point of Slats paying players--I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. The stories of the boys downtown slipping a few bills to people was not unheard of--the word got around that so and so was downtown and some of the players made a beeline that way; I know that for a fact but I am not going to name names. Athletic scholarships were against the rules of the Pacific Coast Conference, like the current Ivy League situation. UCLA, USC, and Washington each had slush funds to pay players and went on probation in 1956 and 1957, which is one of the reasons Oregon State was able to win the Pacific Coast Conference in football in 1956 and 1957. That scandal is a huge contributing factor to the break up the Pacific Coast Conference, the formation of the AAWU, and the Beavers being independent for five years. Also, NFL salaries were very low in the 1950s and 1960s. Several players chose to play in the CFL, because the CFL could compete with the NFL's salaries. (Joe Francis and Terry Baker played in the CFL in that time period.) The low NFL salaries also helped the AFL to compete against the NFL in the 1960s. |
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Post by gzr on Sept 17, 2018 17:09:53 GMT -8
Swede did march to a different drummer. He was different--treated more or less like a freak in those days--came from a modest background to put it mildly--had a drinking problem among other things (he was not alone in this respect in those days) The story you are referring to was Hugh McIlhenny sp? from UW when he went to the 49ers. It was actually in the early 50's. I have no idea if the quote was true or not, but UW was well known for paying players. Tony Vlastelica was well known on campus. His convertible was always visible and he cut a wide swath. He was a very good ballplayer, but probably not as good as he remembers. There were lots of good players on the team he talks about. If he had thought more about the team than he thought about himself, maybe things would have worked out better for everyone. I saw the game against USF--great ball game, different era. Swede was a force when he came to play. Players in those days had problems with Slats from time to time. Slats had a system he wanted to run. You don't get to 599 wins by being disorganized. Some of the players, just like today, want the game to be all about them. I have mentioned many times in the past on these forums, Slats was a hard guy. Cross Ralph and sit for a couple minutes and then go back in. Cross Slats and sit for a couple games or more. Some of the guys couldn't handle the pressure. To the point of Slats paying players--I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. The stories of the boys downtown slipping a few bills to people was not unheard of--the word got around that so and so was downtown and some of the players made a beeline that way; I know that for a fact but I am not going to name names. Athletic scholarships were against the rules of the Pacific Coast Conference, like the current Ivy League situation. UCLA, USC, and Washington each had slush funds to pay players and went on probation in 1956 and 1957, which is one of the reasons Oregon State was able to win the Pacific Coast Conference in football in 1956 and 1957. That scandal is a huge contributing factor to the break up the Pacific Coast Conference, the formation of the AAWU, and the Beavers being independent for five years. Also, NFL salaries were very low in the 1950s and 1960s. Several players chose to play in the CFL, because the CFL could compete with the NFL's salaries. (Joe Francis and Terry Baker played in the CFL in that time period.) The low NFL salaries also helped the AFL to compete against the NFL in the 1960s. Are you sure about the athletic scholarship statement? I am quite certain there were scholarships in those days. One big difference is that no matter how big you were, you had to put in a certain amount of hours "working" every week. Basketball players had to report to Gill Coliseum (yes, we called it Gill even back then)--they would run the dust mop over the floor etc to comply with the rules of the times. There was a reason the athletes all had nice cars and the regular students had jalopies. LOL. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 17, 2018 20:03:07 GMT -8
Athletic scholarships were against the rules of the Pacific Coast Conference, like the current Ivy League situation. UCLA, USC, and Washington each had slush funds to pay players and went on probation in 1956 and 1957, which is one of the reasons Oregon State was able to win the Pacific Coast Conference in football in 1956 and 1957. That scandal is a huge contributing factor to the break up the Pacific Coast Conference, the formation of the AAWU, and the Beavers being independent for five years. Also, NFL salaries were very low in the 1950s and 1960s. Several players chose to play in the CFL, because the CFL could compete with the NFL's salaries. (Joe Francis and Terry Baker played in the CFL in that time period.) The low NFL salaries also helped the AFL to compete against the NFL in the 1960s. Are you sure about the athletic scholarship statement? I am quite certain there were scholarships in those days. One big difference is that no matter how big you were, you had to put in a certain amount of hours "working" every week. Basketball players had to report to Gill Coliseum (yes, we called it Gill even back then)--they would run the dust mop over the floor etc to comply with the rules of the times. There was a reason the athletes all had nice cars and the regular students had jalopies. LOL. The Pacific Coast Conference did not allow scholarships. The Pacific Coast Conference did allow players to have jobs, though, and allowed players to be paid fairly for work. What UCLA, USC, and Washington got in trouble for was knowingly letting players get paid for doing no work. |
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Post by gzr on Sept 17, 2018 20:41:53 GMT -8
Are you sure about the athletic scholarship statement? I am quite certain there were scholarships in those days. One big difference is that no matter how big you were, you had to put in a certain amount of hours "working" every week. Basketball players had to report to Gill Coliseum (yes, we called it Gill even back then)--they would run the dust mop over the floor etc to comply with the rules of the times. There was a reason the athletes all had nice cars and the regular students had jalopies. LOL. The Pacific Coast Conference did not allow scholarships. The Pacific Coast Conference did allow players to have jobs, though, and allowed players to be paid fairly for work. What UCLA, USC, and Washington got in trouble for was knowingly letting players get paid for doing no work. OK, not a scholarship--whatever the arrangement, it was known as a "ride" just like today. And, let's not kid ourselves--these guys were not sweating like a chokersetter---"fairly" is a relative word--let's put it this way--they were being paid generously for the work that they supposedly were doing. They were probably underpaid for the athletic contribution part. My observation from hanging around Gill Coliseum was that the OSC guys were at least showing up for "work" which seems to be the issue with the three mentioned above. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 18, 2018 6:50:27 GMT -8
I only know two things, that Swede did march to the beat of a different drummer, and that there is an (apocryphal) story of a player from the UW football team that was asked if he was excited about being drafted into the NFL in the late 50's. His reply was something to the effect that getting drafted was great, but he didn't like the pay cut. $10,000 a year works out to about $75,000 in today's bucks - just wonder about the fish that keeps getting bigger with every telling of the story. That must have been one dysfunctional squad for a coach to manage. That was Alex Karras actually, from Iowa. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 21, 2018 11:46:23 GMT -8
Athletic scholarships were against the rules of the Pacific Coast Conference, like the current Ivy League situation. UCLA, USC, and Washington each had slush funds to pay players and went on probation in 1956 and 1957, which is one of the reasons Oregon State was able to win the Pacific Coast Conference in football in 1956 and 1957. That scandal is a huge contributing factor to the break up the Pacific Coast Conference, the formation of the AAWU, and the Beavers being independent for five years. Also, NFL salaries were very low in the 1950s and 1960s. Several players chose to play in the CFL, because the CFL could compete with the NFL's salaries. (Joe Francis and Terry Baker played in the CFL in that time period.) The low NFL salaries also helped the AFL to compete against the NFL in the 1960s. Pretty sure that’s not true. I’ve read that PCC did permit scholarships that included tuition, room and board and $50 a month for “books, laundry and incidentals” during the school year. The scandals that broke up the PCC involved recruiting inducements and payments from boosters above and beyond the scholarship limitations. Maybe if someone knows Mel Counts or Jimmy Anderson they could ask them. Kerry Eggers would probably know too. |
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