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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 28, 2018 20:54:36 GMT -8
Instead of nagging about her weaknesses I prefer to look at the positives. First if she gets the ball up high she keeps it there. It took Marie three years to break that habit and Ruth had an issue with bringing the ball down her whole career. She can shoot inside with accuracy. She is big and apparently strong, not often was she moved off her spot or kept from getting there.
She takes up a lot of space in the key on defense. Her size alone alters shots. She holds her arms straight up, no reaching forward trying for a block. She appears to be disciplined.
I think she will show improvement over last year, Rueck and company have an established history of getting the most out of their players and I have no reason to believe this case will be any different. I just wished they had four years with her instead of just two.
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Post by jegerklog on Aug 29, 2018 14:30:56 GMT -8
believeinthebeavs, these are good comments. And Jo generally did get much playing time last year. Hard to get into a rhythm. I did notice that in the game at USC when Marie ran into early foul trouble, Jo was in for quite awhile and seemed to me to become more active and confident with time. Maybe of little significance but I would not rule out the possibility that she might improve significantly this year.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 29, 2018 14:45:12 GMT -8
I do believe there is reason for optimism with JG - when she was on the floor, she wasn't the first, second or third scoring option, so hard to gauge her point production. Much of the year (I maintain), our entry passing was not stellar (a split-second delayed, a little off, not "throwing the player open", etc). I think Marie and JG presented themselves very differently in the post (bounce passes to Marie = good, 7.5' high passes to JG = good), and one of those posts was getting 35 minutes a game...... I attended some of the early/exhibition games and thought her free throwing was OK (I recall thinking "not bad for a post" very early on), so there might be other reasons for the precipitous drop (game stress, conditioning, mental) that are correctable. believeinthebeavs nailed some other very positive attributes on the defensive end. I think her ball handling and footwork will improve, and we will have an 8 pt/6 rebound/2 block per game sort of player on our hands out there for 20 minute stretches...... What I think is more open to speculation is what we get out of AA and PM in the other 20 minutes :-). Go Beavers! |
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Post by ricke71 on Aug 29, 2018 15:26:42 GMT -8
I do believe there is reason for optimism with JG - when she was on the floor, she wasn't the first, second or third scoring option, so hard to gauge her point production. Much of the year (I maintain), our entry passing was not stellar (a split-second delayed, a little off, not "throwing the player open", etc). I think Marie and JG presented themselves very differently in the post (bounce passes to Marie = good, 7.5' high passes to JG = good), and one of those posts was getting 35 minutes a game...... I attended some of the early/exhibition games and thought her free throwing was OK (I recall thinking "not bad for a post" very early on), so there might be other reasons for the precipitous drop (game stress, conditioning, mental) that are correctable. believeinthebeavs nailed some other very positive attributes on the defensive end. I think her ball handling and footwork will improve, and we will have an 8 pt/6 rebound/2 block per game sort of player on our hands out there for 20 minute stretches...... What I think is more open to speculation is what we get out of AA and PM in the other 20 minutes :-). Go Beavers! Agreed on the entry passing. imho the best we had in that regard last season was TC. Add in DS this season and its a whole new game. Not only Jo, but our tall freshmen will be the benefactors of some outstanding entry passes in 2018-19. It’s going to be fun to watch. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Aug 29, 2018 15:57:49 GMT -8
Agreed on the entry passing. imho the best we had in that regard last season was TC. Add in DS this season and its a whole new game. Not only Jo, but our tall freshmen will be the benefactors of some outstanding entry passes in 2018-19. It’s going to be fun to watch. The Beavs, as a team, were actually one of the better passing (and most unselfish) teams in the nation last season. They averaged 18.8 assists as a team, good enough for 7th in the nation in D1. The Beavs were 78th (of 349 D1 teams) in fewest turnovers at 14.2 per game last season. As for assist/turnover ratio last season, the Beavs ranked #20 in the nation at 1.33. Slocum's assist/turnover ratio during her freshman year at Maryland was 1.92. Last season, McWilliams had a very solid assist/TO ratio of 2.36. Pivec was at 1.69. Goodman at 1.67. Corosdale at 1.54. Washington at 1.50. Tudor at 0.83. Gulich at 0.66. www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1/current/team/220www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1/current/team/472 |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 29, 2018 21:09:37 GMT -8
Agreed on the entry passing. imho the best we had in that regard last season was TC. Add in DS this season and its a whole new game. Not only Jo, but our tall freshmen will be the benefactors of some outstanding entry passes in 2018-19. It’s going to be fun to watch. The Beavs, as a team, were actually one of the better passing (and most unselfish) teams in the nation last season. They averaged 18.8 assists as a team, good enough for 7th in the nation in D1. The Beavs were 78th (of 349 D1 teams) in fewest turnovers at 14.2 per game last season. As for assist/turnover ratio last season, the Beavs ranked #20 in the nation at 1.33. Slocum's assist/turnover ratio during her freshman year at Maryland was 1.92. Last season, McWilliams had a very solid assist/TO ratio of 2.36. Pivec was at 1.69. Goodman at 1.67. Corosdale at 1.54. Washington at 1.50. Tudor at 0.83. Gulich at 0.66. www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1/current/team/220www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1/current/team/472Thanks for pointing out that we were one of the better passing teams - agreed - though I will say that contributing to that was also our playbook, movement, screening, etc that led to some of those assists, along with the fact that we were also one of the better 3 point shooting teams in the country (like among the top 2 or 3), and so some of those assists came from outside shots......we still labored a bit at the "feed the Germ/Pole" plays. The thought of more crisp entry passing to more tall timber *plus* what we have been building (as your stats point out) really get me enthused for the upcoming season..... Go Beavers! |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Aug 30, 2018 8:21:35 GMT -8
Thanks for pointing out that we were one of the better passing teams - agreed - though I will say that contributing to that was also our playbook, movement, screening, etc that led to some of those assists, along with the fact that we were also one of the better 3 point shooting teams in the country (like among the top 2 or 3), and so some of those assists came from outside shots......we still labored a bit at the "feed the Germ/Pole" plays. The thought of more crisp entry passing to more tall timber *plus* what we have been building (as your stats point out) really get me enthused for the upcoming season..... Go Beavers! The Beavs had only one inside scoring threat last season in Gulich. Teams that scouted the Beavs knew that fact very quickly by watching any video of Oregon State. Gulich got hammered consistently when she tried to establish position near the paint all season. To her credit, she fought through the contact and established herself near the paint, at the free throw line extended, and in the short corner near the baseline with regularity. The game against Arizona State in the PAC-12 tourney is a testament to how difficult it can be to make entry passes to a star player when the game is allowed to be overly physical inside. Despite all of Gulich's star qualities and stellar play last season, she was second on the team in turnovers (averaging 2.6 per game) and frequent attempts to get the ball inside to her did result in turnovers throughout the season. Thankfully, the team had so many three-point shooting threats (they actually led the nation in three-point accuracy at 40.4% during 17-'18) that it allowed them to spread the court and provide Gulich with enough quality looks for her to shoot an outstanding 65.2% from the field. An assist is an assist, regardless of whether it is an interior pass that leads directly to a basket or a well-placed perimeter pass that leads directly to a successful three-pointer. Even if the Beavs are not able to develop a consistent inside scoring threat during '18-'19, I am sure that the coaching staff will draw up plays for McWilliams and Pivec to post up their opponents inside when physical mismatches present themselves. www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1/current/team/118 |
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Post by beaveragain on Aug 30, 2018 9:22:33 GMT -8
My hope for opening up the inside for the Beav's is that
1- Pivic will have an off season to work on her driving. Last season she needed to learn the PG position and didn't have time to work on much else. With her and Destiny driving in I think the paint's going to be a whole new thing for the team, allowing the perimeter to get open shots even though we probably won't get much scoring from the 5 position.
2- KtMac needs to step up and score more in the midrange. If she is in the 3 position, most of the time she is going to be taller than whoever is guarding her. She needs to consistently take advantage of that and take those shorter shots.
I think the combination of those scoring would keep the perimeter open enough so the Beav's can continue to dominate in shooting 3's.
My humble opinion.....but I'm pretty sure I couldn't be wrong!
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 30, 2018 9:39:52 GMT -8
My hope for opening up the inside for the Beav's is that 1- Pivic will have an off season to work on her driving. Last season she needed to learn the PG position and didn't have time to work on much else. With her and Destiny driving in I think the paint's going to be a whole new thing for the team, allowing the perimeter to get open shots even though we probably won't get much scoring from the 5 position. 2- KtMac needs to step up and score more in the midrange. If she is in the 3 position, most of the time she is going to be taller than whoever is guarding her. She needs to consistently take advantage of that and take those shorter shots. I think the combination of those scoring would keep the perimeter open enough so the Beav's can continue to dominate in shooting 3's. My humble opinion.....but I'm pretty sure I couldn't be wrong! We also have Jasmine Simmons, who has demonstrated in the film I've seen that she's very good at driving to the hoop and finishing (with shot or pass). If driving and kicking out is what we need, we may not have to rely upon Pivec's improvement in that regard. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 30, 2018 12:59:50 GMT -8
I believe we will see more output from Mik this coming season because (presumably) she will be shouldering far less, if any, of the point guard burden between Destiny and Aleah holding down that role.
Last year it was obvious she was putting tremendous amounts of energy into ball control and team management. I expect to see an even higher energy defender, slasher and rebounder along with more finishing at the rim from her than this year given she won't be expending that energy on PG duties.
I don't underestimate the lift that should give us......
On top of that, will we see a continued progression from KTMac? As has been pointed out, her height presents a good mismatch in many games. Lastly, with the example of Simmons, we have more, talented folks on the bench when we either go looking for a hot hand, a mismatch, or a push to the incumbent.
Very big deal if we have post play that merits additional attention from our opponents (or that they at least can't cheat off of), for I think we are getting to where we have enough perimeter/driving weapons to create some serious mismatches.
Will be fun!
Go Beavers!
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Post by lotrader on Aug 30, 2018 17:31:13 GMT -8
Pivec will rise up this year. Last year's struggles will make her game much stronger than if she hadn't played the point. Pivec will be a HUGE contributor in every phase of the game in 2018-19 season. Having Destiny, and, a 2nd year Aleah Goodman, is an incredible point guard luxury. I do believe KTMAC will be even better, and, more of a force, for the Beavs. If we at least get good defense, rebounding, and passing (leaving out scoring) from the 5, we will be darn good. If we also get offensive contribution from the 5, OSU WBB will be scary good.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Aug 31, 2018 7:24:49 GMT -8
Pivec will rise up this year. Last year's struggles will make her game much stronger than if she hadn't played the point. Pivec will be a HUGE contributor in every phase of the game in 2018-19 season. Having Destiny, and, a 2nd year Aleah Goodman, is an incredible point guard luxury. I do believe KTMAC will be even better, and, more of a force, for the Beavs. If we at least get good defense, rebounding, and passing (leaving out scoring) from the 5, we will be darn good. If we also get offensive contribution from the 5, OSU WBB will be scary good. I agree with much of what loltrader writes above. The continued progression of Katie McWilliams asserting herself on the offensive end (like she started to do during the second half of last season) will take a lot of pressure off the juniors and underclassmen. She is capable of averaging double figures scoring if she looks more aggressively for her own shot during '18-'19. Slocum's presence will provide the team with another player who can penetrate and dish. Slocum has the potential to put up more than the 6.0 assists per game that she averaged during her freshman year at Maryland due to the presence of numerous quality shooters for the Beavs. I think that some observers may have forgotten that Pivec averaged 11.1/7.1/5.0 points/rebounds/assists during her sophomore year last year while adapting to running the offense from the point position. I believe that only UConn's Gabby Williams (in addition to Pivec) averaged at least 11/7/5 for '17-'18 among all D1 players (349 teams) based upon some quick research that I attempted to do. Despite some critics on this board, Pivec did what she was asked to do last season to help the team win. I expect to see continued growth in her game during her final two seasons in Corvallis. We can likely count on her training like crazy during the offseason in order to make that happen. It will be interesting to see how many boards she can average during '18-'19 if she isn't playing the point guard position and can crash the glass from the wings. |
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 31, 2018 8:01:45 GMT -8
Pivec will rise up this year. Last year's struggles will make her game much stronger than if she hadn't played the point. Pivec will be a HUGE contributor in every phase of the game in 2018-19 season. Having Destiny, and, a 2nd year Aleah Goodman, is an incredible point guard luxury. I do believe KTMAC will be even better, and, more of a force, for the Beavs. If we at least get good defense, rebounding, and passing (leaving out scoring) from the 5, we will be darn good. If we also get offensive contribution from the 5, OSU WBB will be scary good. I agree with much of what loltrader writes above. The continued progression of Katie McWilliams asserting herself on the offensive end (like she started to do during the second half of last season) will take a lot of pressure off the juniors and underclassmen. She is capable of averaging double figures scoring if she looks more aggressively for her own shot during '18-'19. Slocum's presence will provide the team with another player who can penetrate and dish. Slocum has the potential to put up more than the 6.0 assists per game that she averaged during her freshman year at Maryland due to the presence of numerous quality shooters for the Beavs. I think that some observers may have forgotten that Pivec averaged 11.1/7.1/5.0 points/rebounds/assists during her sophomore year last year while adapting to running the offense from the point position. I believe that only UConn's Gabby Williams (in addition to Pivec) averaged at least 11/7/5 for '17-'18 among all D1 players (349 teams) based upon some quick research that I attempted to do. Despite some critics on this board, Pivec did what she was asked to do last season to help the team win. I expect to see continued growth in her game during her final two seasons in Corvallis. We can likely count on her training like crazy during the offseason in order to make that happen. It will be interesting to see how many boards she can average during '18-'19 if she isn't playing the point guard position and can crash the glass from the wings. I don't think anyone is questioning that Pivec is a great player and contributor. However, it's a legitimate criticism that she often drove to the hoop and couldn't finish, either not getting the shot or getting trapped in the paint and having the ball stolen. I agree that she's a hard worker and also expect that she will show improvement. It will also help that she won't be playing point and trying to drive just to get someone open (vs. when there is really a lane to the basket). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 8:58:01 GMT -8
Pivec will rise up this year. Last year's struggles will make her game much stronger than if she hadn't played the point. Pivec will be a HUGE contributor in every phase of the game in 2018-19 season. Having Destiny, and, a 2nd year Aleah Goodman, is an incredible point guard luxury. I do believe KTMAC will be even better, and, more of a force, for the Beavs. If we at least get good defense, rebounding, and passing (leaving out scoring) from the 5, we will be darn good. If we also get offensive contribution from the 5, OSU WBB will be scary good. I agree with much of what loltrader writes above. The continued progression of Katie McWilliams asserting herself on the offensive end (like she started to do during the second half of last season) will take a lot of pressure off the juniors and underclassmen. She is capable of averaging double figures scoring if she looks more aggressively for her own shot during '18-'19. Slocum's presence will provide the team with another player who can penetrate and dish. Slocum has the potential to put up more than the 6.0 assists per game that she averaged during her freshman year at Maryland due to the presence of numerous quality shooters for the Beavs. I think that some observers may have forgotten that Pivec averaged 11.1/7.1/5.0 points/rebounds/assists during her sophomore year last year while adapting to running the offense from the point position. I believe that only UConn's Gabby Williams (in addition to Pivec) averaged at least 11/7/5 for '17-'18 among all D1 players (349 teams) based upon some quick research that I attempted to do. Despite some critics on this board, Pivec did what she was asked to do last season to help the team win. I expect to see continued growth in her game during her final two seasons in Corvallis. We can likely count on her training like crazy during the offseason in order to make that happen. It will be interesting to see how many boards she can average during '18-'19 if she isn't playing the point guard position and can crash the glass from the wings. There's good reason to think that Pivec's stats could actually go down this year. It's certainly likely that her assists will drop considerably because she's no longer playing point. I expect Slocum and Goodman to share the PG position, though Rueck may have other ideas. I would go with Goodman [over Pivec] because she's a more natural PG and a better ballhandler. And with Slocum taking over a starting spot, and probably one of our new bigs taking over a starting spot sometime later in the season, and with Taya comfortably ensconced as a starter, that leaves 2 other positions through which the remaining players must rotate: McWilliams, Pivec, Tudor, and Simmons (with Goodman available when she's not playing PG). I would argue that Pivec remains a starter in one of these spots because she is such a strong rebounder and is solid in all other aspects of her game, but with 4 (or 5) good players available for 2 spots, my guess is that her minutes will still drop. And I'm predicting that Simmons will surprise people and get a lot of playing time: She has an ability to attack the basket that NO ONE else on our team has, and with her bounce she should turn out to be an excellent rebounder, and she prides herself on defense. Once Jasmine gets the hang of Rueck's system, she's pretty much a dropin replacement for Pivec. We've got too much talent on this team for Pivec to get as many minutes as she's used to. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Aug 31, 2018 9:31:30 GMT -8
There's good reason to think that Pivec's stats could actually go down this year. It's certainly likely that her assists will drop considerably because she's no longer playing point. I expect Slocum and Goodman to share the PG position, though Rueck may have other ideas. I would go with Goodman because she's a more natural PG and a better ballhandler. And with Slocum taking over a starting spot, and probably one of our new bigs taking over a starting spot sometime later in the season, and with Taya comfortably ensconced as a starter, that leaves 2 other positions through which the remaining players must rotate: McWilliams, Pivec, Tudor, and Simmons (with Goodman available when she's not playing PG). I would argue that Pivec remains a starter in one of these spots because she is such a strong rebounder and is solid in all other aspects of her game, but with 4 (or 5) good players available for 2 spots, my guess is that her minutes will still drop. And I'm predicting that Simmons will surprise people and get a lot of playing time: She has an ability to attack the basket that NO ONE else on our team has, and with her bounce she should turn out to be an excellent rebounder, and she prides herself on defense. Once Jasmine gets the hang of Rueck's system, she's pretty much a dropin replacement for Pivec. We've got too much talent on this team for Pivec to get as many minutes as she's used to. Yet another series of predictions above from thickhead that likely won't come to fruition. I can see Pivec's 5.0 assists per game average from last season decrease with Slocum becoming the primary ball handler, but I believe Pivec's scoring and rebounding will increase. Time will tell. I will look forward to checking back in on this board after the first few games in November to see how thickhead's predictions are faring. |
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