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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 12, 2018 20:16:33 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 10:27:47 GMT -8
Just looked on Andrea Aquino’s instagram page, and if you look at her saved stories, there are two videos of she and Morris playing 1v1, Morris defending Aquino. You would guess they’re 6’2” with their mobility. Its so unusual for 6’7” and 6’9”. Aquino has such a special offensive arsenal. Light years ahead of Griner’s when she was a freshman. I think these two are special. In that video, PM is not guarding her closely, and as high as AA dribbles the ball it would be easy for a quicker player to steal it. Some of her other Instagram videos are more interesting. In one from 2015 she is dribbling down the court being fake-guarded by a trainer, keeping the ball very low to the ground and dribbling between her legs. That shows excellent dribbling skills and coordination. In another video, she is seen with her back to the basket, faking one way, then quickly taking her steps the other way for a layup. She's got that move down, and it would be very difficult for anyone to stop her when she's that close to the bucket. Her 10' jumper also seems to be reliable, but of course we may just be seeing the makes, not the misses. She will be a star player very early if Rueck can get her the right touches. And most importantly, when the defense collapses on her (as they surely will), she needs to be quick to pass the ball to an open 3-pt shooter. http://instagr.am/p/9wjzfIKi2Z http://instagr.am/p/BJthrpzDSuZ www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17936129863160831/?hl=en |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 13, 2018 11:57:43 GMT -8
The trend we have going of being able to recruit recognized top shelf talent (Mik, Taya, AA, Destiny, ....) along with excellent coaching is going to pay enormous dividends. I don't believe we have ever had this much *raw* talent at the post position, with all due respect with where Marie and Ruth ended up through their considerable efforts and coaching. I don't know where AA will end up - that is a function of motivation (which by all accounts she has plenty of), raw talent (check), good coaching (check), being put in a position to succeed, etc. etc.
So how quickly does this talent acceleration manifest itself?
How many teams across the country have 3 posts with average height of 6'8", dunking ability, etc, *along* with one or two of the best three point shooters, along with one of the best ball handlers around, plus the coaching? Our Achilles heels have been either lack of quicks (UCLA/USC games) or getting roughed up (ASU) or both (Louisville). Have we come far enough to compensate for that, or recruited those who can cope with those issues?
Back to the topic - in the AA videos, I saw someone with the potential to handle the ball better than any post we've ever had, block shots, move her feet, can 3 point shots, etc. NOTE - I was going to say "block shots like Ruth", but no one in the Pac-12 has done that yet, and I was going to say "move her feet and finish like Marie" but few players anywhere ever finish at a 65% clip.......and AA has yet to play a minute for the Beavers. And we have little clue as to her rebounding prowess across all of the videos.
That said, AA should make it so that we don't have a big hole at the 5, and she might even remind us of early Marie and early Ruth early in the season.
The key is how quickly she reminds us of senior Ruth and senior Marie, and then if and when she surpasses their contribution levels.
Note that if KTMac and Destiny and Mik and Taya and Kat keep on their trajectory, and AA/PM/JG do reasonably well, we could be one of the last 8 or 4 teams playing this year. If AA turns into the best center in the country - which is not outside of the realm of possibility, but probably requires a year or two of time - the future is very bright indeed!
Go Beavers!
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Post by beavsteve on Sept 13, 2018 12:20:10 GMT -8
The trend we have going of being able to recruit recognized top shelf talent (Mik, Taya, AA, Destiny, ....) along with excellent coaching is going to pay enormous dividends. I don't believe we have ever had this much *raw* talent at the post position, with all due respect with where Marie and Ruth ended up through their considerable efforts and coaching. I don't know where AA will end up - that is a function of motivation (which by all accounts she has plenty of), raw talent (check), good coaching (check), being put in a position to succeed, etc. etc. So how quickly does this talent acceleration manifest itself? How many teams across the country have 3 posts with average height of 6'8", dunking ability, etc, *along* with one or two of the best three point shooters, along with one of the best ball handlers around, plus the coaching? Our Achilles heels have been either lack of quicks (UCLA/USC games) or getting roughed up (ASU) or both (Louisville). Have we come far enough to compensate for that, or recruited those who can cope with those issues? Back to the topic - in the AA videos, I saw someone with the potential to handle the ball better than any post we've ever had, block shots, move her feet, can 3 point shots, etc. NOTE - I was going to say "block shots like Ruth", but no one in the Pac-12 has done that yet, and I was going to say "move her feet and finish like Marie" but few players anywhere ever finish at a 65% clip.......and AA has yet to play a minute for the Beavers. And we have little clue as to her rebounding prowess across all of the videos. That said, AA should make it so that we don't have a big hole at the 5, and she might even remind us of early Marie and early Ruth early in the season. The key is how quickly she reminds us of senior Ruth and senior Marie, and then if and when she surpasses their contribution levels. Note that if KTMac and Destiny and Mik and Taya and Kat keep on their trajectory, and AA/PM/JG do reasonably well, we could be one of the last 8 or 4 teams playing this year. If AA turns into the best center in the country - which is not outside of the realm of possibility, but probably requires a year or two of time - the future is very bright indeed! Go Beavers! Good post... but I still think AA will be playing as a forward, not as a center. I agree with those on this board that think Grymek will be playing center at the beginning of the year and will at some point be replaced by Patricia (hopefully before the start of the Pac-12 season). I think AA's skills, and more fragile build, make her better suited to play as a forward... and that eventually the twin-tower duo of AA and PM (combined with our 3 pt shooters) could be pure poison for the opposition. |
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Post by 411500 on Sept 13, 2018 14:52:59 GMT -8
I'm really impressed with AA's fluid body motion; her flexibility; her vertical jump and her high release...All of these are VERY impressive.
I'd love to have a physical specimen like that coach up...
I'm sure coach R & staff are themselves trying to figure out WHERE to begin her skill set training..Some of you might remember all of the research Coach Woden went thru before he settled on then Lew Alcindor's training regimen.
Coach R's problems are increased by AA's totally unique height - length stats.
6'9" in WBB is farkin' awesome.
No precise formula at work here, but AA poses the kind of coaching decisions that a mobile 7'3" men's player would for Coach Tinkle....
So if Andy Aquino showed up at 7'3" with good hands, nimble feet, high release, and he at one time was rated the #6 player in America, where would Coach Tinkle play him? Sounds hard, but it isn't.
Can you think of any 7'3" forward/wings in Men's BB?
I agree with some here who think AA has the ability to play forward. But I cannot believe that Coach thinks that would be in the best interest of the team....
It will be fun to see how our amateur view from the bleachers pans out in the real world.....
Where AA plays may boil down to a simple matter of whether she is tough enough to play in the paint.
But if she is, I'd never let her stray far from it...
After all, where are the 7'3" forwards in MBB??
GO BEAVS
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 13, 2018 15:16:27 GMT -8
You find 7'+ forwards playing next to 7'+ centers.
If AA was our only super-big, then I'd agree with you. But it seems pretty likely that SR is going to look for ways to take full advantage of the team height. And the obvious way to do that is to play AA at the 4 next to PM or JG. PM says herself that she's a back-to-the-basket player, so figure that for most of the next four years, we'll see a lot with PM at the 5 and AA at the 4.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 13, 2018 15:27:59 GMT -8
To add to 411500 's thought experiment on Andy Aquino, coach SR (to date) seems to have had a policy that the "newbie displaces the incumbent". So I fully expect to have a starting lineup to consist of Grymek, Taya, Kat/Mik/Destiny/KTMac (leaving for another day and another thread which of those last 4 is on the bench, but if you believe the policy to its extreme, Kat/KTMac/Mik are on the floor the first second of the first game and Destiny displaces someone, and likely rather soon, but I digress). Anyway, who is likely more easily displaced - Taya or JG? Taya played more minutes/game than JG, so on that basis alone I am going to posit post minutes will be more easily available than forward minutes......especially since you can slide KTMac over to Taya's spot against some teams where their player of KTMac's size is going to be at the post (or maybe explore where Janessa/Maddie are at), and keep a three-headed post thing going where the shortest post would have an inch on Ruth and 2 inches on Marie....... Also, I may need to go stare at more pictures of Morris, Aquino and Grymek, but none of them particularly stood out to me as a space-eater above another. And none seem to be in Ruth's mold, much less would be confused with Baylor's Kalani Brown (this may help them in the WNBA sweepstakes, where there seem to be more AA-physique centers than Ruth/Kalani physique centers). Anyway, I don't expect to see Morris/JG/AA at Forward much, and I don't even expect much free lancing from AA because even if she turns out to be a 35% three-point shooter, there would still be 3 or 4 better options roaming around out there, and the havoc her 6'9" should wreak against almost every team in America (if she understands how to crash the boards, and I doubt SR lets players onto the court that don't, her rebounding value should be high even if she isn't a Charles Barkley-esque rebounding phenom - at that height she could just volleyball the ball and disrupt considerably). All of this is fun speculation, so for all I know beavsteve is onto something......but I think we will see Taylor Jones logging more minutes at forward than AA :-). Go Beavers! |
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 13, 2018 15:58:08 GMT -8
Why wouldn't you try starting Aquino at 5 and Corosdale at 4, move Aquino to 4 when Corosdale is given a breal while playing Morris at the 5, sub Corosdale for Aquino with Morris staying at 5, and then repeat as needed? In pre-conference play, you could divide 80 minutes among 3 players that way, and get a good feel for combinations that work and who can play effectively where.
In the other 3 spots, you can do something similar, dividing 120 minutes among 5 players = Pivec, Tudor, McWilliams, Goodman, and Slocum. You get significant playing time for the freshmen to show what they can do, while also giving enough minutes to the nucleus of your team.
Nothing left for Grymek or Washington? So be it. Somebody's got to sit. Unless Grymek has made a quantum leap in the off season, or Aquino / Morris demonstrate they're far from ready to play at this level, I don't see much reason for her starting, or even getting significant playing time. But I guess we'll all just have to leave that decision to Scott.
In any event, we've got 20 feet of center with 15 fouls to give. That should make for some significant problems for most opponents, who very likely will not have faced one player with such size and wing span, let alone 3.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Sept 13, 2018 19:06:19 GMT -8
One lineup I really, really want Rueck to employ is...
PG - Katie McWilliams
W - Taya Corosdale
SF - Andrea Aquino
PF - Patricia Morris
C - Jo Grymek
I wanna say the average height of that lineup is 6’5.8” I’d be shocked if any other program could say they had an average height of 5 players on the floor equal 6’5.8” 😂😂 Just some wishful thinking But would be tons of fun to watch!!!!
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Post by beavsteve on Sept 13, 2018 20:02:21 GMT -8
One lineup I really, really want Rueck to employ is... PG - Katie McWilliams W - Taya Corosdale SF - Andrea Aquino PF - Patricia Morris C - Jo Grymek I wanna say the average height of that lineup is 6’5.8” I’d be shocked if any other program could say they had an average height of 5 players on the floor equal 6’5.8” 😂😂 Just some wishful thinking But would be tons of fun to watch!!!! I've been thinking that too. It would probably be a new entry for Guinness Book of World's Records as the tallest women's basketball team ever to take the court... college and pro. Thickhead once suggested the time for it as an end-of-period scenario... like 3" to go: lobbing a high pass into the paint with those tallest players around the basket. |
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