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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 25, 2018 20:24:56 GMT -8
I know she wants to be a stretch four but with TC and potentially KtMac finding minutes there I think her minutes will come from the five. Maybe a stretch five?
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Post by 411500 on Aug 26, 2018 7:11:56 GMT -8
When you're 6'8, maybe 6'9, you don't get to play where you want to play.
IF AA can learn the post position, IF she has the body toughness and mental toughness to play in the paint, Coach R won't allow her much drifting out to daylight.
There simply is not any point to sending true post talent (which AA hopefully will be) out to the wings when you ALREADY have talented wing players.
A competent 6'8 post player who executes her responsibilities effectively can inflict a helluva lot more damage than a 6'8 post popping out to the wings....
Sending AA outside is a bit like sending Kat Tudor into the paint because she thinks she's a post player. Once in a while, maybe. Routinely, no.
In my view AA plays the 4 only if PM shows signs of being a great post player, or, if the Beavs just don't have a PAC-12 level 4. Which, at this time, seems unlikely.
An athletic 6'8 who can pass, has good hands, and a range of athletic scoring moves in close stays in close.
She doesn't drift away to play a position already filled by a player who plays the position better than she does.
Actually, bib, effectively summarized the point of this post in two lines.
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 26, 2018 9:40:06 GMT -8
The ONLY time I see her drifting out is if we ever need her in the game the same time as Morris/Grymek. In that case she would likely be a high post player where as they are traditional lowposts. Hopefully Morris can develop to be like a Ruth. A shotblocker, rebounder, with a couple nice moves especially a hook shot. I think she has Ruth’s mobility
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Post by bennyskid on Aug 26, 2018 11:07:11 GMT -8
So . . . suppose that AA consistently hits the 3 with, say, 37% accuracy and a high release.
You still don't think that she drifts outside?
How about we see her skill set in action before we start pigeon-holing her . . .
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 26, 2018 14:08:06 GMT -8
I have no problem with her drifting out as long as she is successful. One of Marie's strengths was her 15 foot shot.
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Post by 411500 on Aug 26, 2018 14:22:59 GMT -8
Pigeon-holing ? Is that what you call it??
Analyzing the physical measurements of a player in order to predict where she is most likely to contribute to team success.
Pigeon-holing ??
Like, for example, saying Jaquizz Rodgers is not going to play Tight End. Don't need to wait and see.
Or, Kat Tudor is not going to play post. Sean Mannion won't be a middle linebacker. Don't need to wait and see.
If AA could shoot the 3 as well as Taya Corosdale every coach on the West Coast would already know it....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 26, 2018 16:20:42 GMT -8
She’s 6’-9” and apparently athletic. She’s in the 100+ percentile of height for women (any woman over 6’-1” is in the 100th percentile). I think managing her psyche is every bit as important as managing her game. If she can hit the 3 consistently and it can be worked into the game plan I’m all for it, if it helps her love for the game. Our 5’-5” coach seems to have a knack for coaching tall women. I’m confident he’ll find the role that best suits her talents. Back in the 50’s OSU has a very talented 7’-3” center who flamed out in part because he saw himself as a basketball-playing freak. I’m praying that Ms Aquino will excell at OSU and end her career feeling, in the words of 6’-6” Ruth Hamblin, “vertically blessed”.  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 27, 2018 15:44:05 GMT -8
Pigeon-holing ? Is that what you call it?? Analyzing the physical measurements of a player in order to predict where she is most likely to contribute to team success. Pigeon-holing ?? Like, for example, saying Jaquizz Rodgers is not going to play Tight End. Don't need to wait and see. Or, Kat Tudor is not going to play post. Sean Mannion won't be a middle linebacker. Don't need to wait and see. If AA could shoot the 3 as well as Taya Corosdale every coach on the West Coast would already know it.... GO BEAVS !! Like 6'9" Magic Johnson is not going to be a PG...…..got it. |
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Post by beavsteve on Aug 27, 2018 16:29:33 GMT -8
When you're 6'8, maybe 6'9, you don't get to play where you want to play. IF AA can learn the post position, IF she has the body toughness and mental toughness to play in the paint, Coach R won't allow her much drifting out to daylight. There simply is not any point to sending true post talent (which AA hopefully will be) out to the wings when you ALREADY have talented wing players. A competent 6'8 post player who executes her responsibilities effectively can inflict a helluva lot more damage than a 6'8 post popping out to the wings.... Sending AA outside is a bit like sending Kat Tudor into the paint because she thinks she's a post player. Once in a while, maybe. Routinely, no. In my view AA plays the 4 only if PM shows signs of being a great post player, or, if the Beavs just don't have a PAC-12 level 4. Which, at this time, seems unlikely. An athletic 6'8 who can pass, has good hands, and a range of athletic scoring moves in close stays in close. She doesn't drift away to play a position already filled by a player who plays the position better than she does. Actually, bib, effectively summarized the point of this post in two lines. GO BEAVS !! You may be right about Andrea not often going out to shoot a three... but I'm thinking she will end up as a forward. The facts are: 1) They are saying she's a forward in the tweet, 2) We have need for size at forward, having only one other highly skilled player (Taya) that fits the bill, 3) As a forward she can range from the free-throw line to 5 to 8 feet on the wings and her size can have a major impact. I believe Patricia Morris will end up being an effective center and I can see the 'twin tower' line-up being VERY hard for other teams to stop. The other team can't double both of them and with that size, it will be tough stopping as the short jumper or a penthouse-level pass to the other tower close to the basket. Having the two of them around the paint could be even more effective at opening up the three for their three teammates. I think it could be a mistake to do anything but groom her at forward if that's what she wants and they can work together in the fashion I described. I do think that we could see Rueck switching between the twin-tower and a shorter line-up depending up whether the opponent has size in the middle or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 18:22:50 GMT -8
When you're 6'8, maybe 6'9, you don't get to play where you want to play. IF AA can learn the post position, IF she has the body toughness and mental toughness to play in the paint, Coach R won't allow her much drifting out to daylight. There simply is not any point to sending true post talent (which AA hopefully will be) out to the wings when you ALREADY have talented wing players. A competent 6'8 post player who executes her responsibilities effectively can inflict a helluva lot more damage than a 6'8 post popping out to the wings.... Sending AA outside is a bit like sending Kat Tudor into the paint because she thinks she's a post player. Once in a while, maybe. Routinely, no. In my view AA plays the 4 only if PM shows signs of being a great post player, or, if the Beavs just don't have a PAC-12 level 4. Which, at this time, seems unlikely. An athletic 6'8 who can pass, has good hands, and a range of athletic scoring moves in close stays in close. She doesn't drift away to play a position already filled by a player who plays the position better than she does. Actually, bib, effectively summarized the point of this post in two lines. GO BEAVS !! You may be right about Andrea not often going out to shoot a three... but I'm thinking she will end up as a forward. The facts are: 1) They are saying she's a forward in the tweet, 2) We have need for size at forward, having only one other highly skilled player (Taya) that fits the bill, 3) As a forward she can range from the free-throw line to 5 to 8 feet on the wings and her size can have a major impact. I believe Patricia Morris will end up being an effective center and I can see the 'twin tower' line-up being VERY hard for other teams to stop. The other team can't double both of them and with that size, it will be tough stopping as the short jumper or a penthouse-level pass to the other tower close to the basket. Having the two of them around the paint could be even more effective at opening up the three for their three teammates. I think it could be a mistake to do anything but groom her at forward if that's what she wants and they can work together in the fashion I described. I do think that we could see Rueck switching between the twin-tower and a shorter line-up depending up whether the opponent has size in the middle or not. Morris is listed as a forward, too, FWIW. Louisville had us figured out: If we pass it into Gulich (as their coach divined that we like to do), then triple- or quadruple-team her. If Gulich had immediately volleyed that pass back out to a 3-point shooter, then she wouldn't have gotten stripped time, after time, after time. (I wondered why Rueck didn't catch on quicker and stop the bleeding when they kept collapsing on Gulich, which was clearly their plan.) Morris and Aquino need to have that pass option drilled into them since they are less mobile and more vulnerable to it than Gulich was. I'm curious if anyone close to the program knows how big a contributor Katie Baker was to the improvement of Gulich. Hopefully KB can turn PM and AA into productive players quick enough that they can help versus SCar and ND. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Aug 27, 2018 18:44:58 GMT -8
At 6’8” Liz Cambage was the most dominant player in the WNBA this year. Part of her game is stepping out and hitting the 3 if she has a big that isnt that mobile on her. If a slow big (like Grymek) was ever guarding Aquino during a game, why not let her step out occasionally if she can hit the 3 to pull out the defender. I think Aquino and Morris will develop a good Hi-Lo game
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 27, 2018 20:06:06 GMT -8
You may be right about Andrea not often going out to shoot a three... but I'm thinking she will end up as a forward. The facts are: 1) They are saying she's a forward in the tweet, 2) We have need for size at forward, having only one other highly skilled player (Taya) that fits the bill, 3) As a forward she can range from the free-throw line to 5 to 8 feet on the wings and her size can have a major impact. I believe Patricia Morris will end up being an effective center and I can see the 'twin tower' line-up being VERY hard for other teams to stop. The other team can't double both of them and with that size, it will be tough stopping as the short jumper or a penthouse-level pass to the other tower close to the basket. Having the two of them around the paint could be even more effective at opening up the three for their three teammates. I think it could be a mistake to do anything but groom her at forward if that's what she wants and they can work together in the fashion I described. I do think that we could see Rueck switching between the twin-tower and a shorter line-up depending up whether the opponent has size in the middle or not. Morris is listed as a forward, too, FWIW. Louisville had us figured out: If we pass it into Gulich (as their coach divined that we like to do), then triple- or quadruple-team her. If Gulich had immediately volleyed that pass back out to a 3-point shooter, then she wouldn't have gotten stripped time, after time, after time. (I wondered why Rueck didn't catch on quicker and stop the bleeding when they kept collapsing on Gulich, which was clearly their plan.) Morris and Aquino need to have that pass option drilled into them since they are less mobile and more vulnerable to it than Gulich was. I'm curious if anyone close to the program knows how big a contributor Katie Baker was to the improvement of Gulich. Hopefully KB can turn PM and AA into productive players quick enough that they can help versus SCar and ND. Everybody close to the program knows exactly how big a contributor KB is. She is a really good recruiter and a great teacher of post players. Give her a few more years to prove herself on the recruiting trail and we'll all know her as a great recruiter. I just hope we can keep her around. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 20:29:26 GMT -8
I'm curious if anyone close to the program knows how big a contributor Katie Baker was to the improvement of Gulich. Hopefully KB can turn PM and AA into productive players quick enough that they can help versus SCar and ND. Everybody close to the program knows exactly how big a contributor KB is. She is a really good recruiter and a great teacher of post players. Give her a few more years to prove herself on the recruiting trail and we'll all know her as a great recruiter. I just hope we can keep her around. Yeah, but most of the people on this board AREN'T close to the program, so we're anxious to hear details. I was encouraged when I saw that picture of her apparently dressed to actually play with the players. That's something that a lot of coaches, like Cory Close and Tara Vanderveer, are incapable of doing, or at least doing well and it must be a huge benefit to the posts that she's mentoring. So you're so high on KB that you'll guarantee that PM and AA will be ready to dominate the boards against SCar and ND? Now THAT'S what I want to hear! (thickhead is scheduled for Thanksgiving in Vancouver.) (:-|) |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Sept 12, 2018 19:00:45 GMT -8
Just looked on Andrea Aquino’s instagram page, and if you look at her saved stories, there are two videos of she and Morris playing 1v1, Morris defending Aquino. You would guess they’re 6’2” with their mobility. Its so unusual for 6’7” and 6’9”. Aquino has such a special offensive arsenal. Light years ahead of Griner’s when she was a freshman. I think these two are special.
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Post by rmancarl on Sept 12, 2018 20:06:41 GMT -8
I hope you are right. I don't think this team will need a dominate center, but if one of our bigs can just be solid in the center, it should be another really good year.
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