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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 11:46:49 GMT -8
I know i buzz this forum with constant gripes about the lack of point guarding in this program but the problem at the 4 and 5 is critical too now with Drew gone. Drew was productive but even more than that Drew was rugged and could reliably give 35 minutes in the post when he wasnt in foul trouble. The minutes as much as the points will be really tough to backfill.
Nothing against Glig. He's fine in spot duty but asking him not to be exploited on D all 40 minutes by any post with faster feet and quicker leaping ability (that's most) is not fair. The three "rookies" might help in a pinch but the learning curve is brutal in a conference where most teams have athletic big men.
So do Beavs go with a small lineup composed of Hollins 6 '6 Tres 6'8 Stevie 6'4 Lil Bro 6'5 and Player X? no, not likely. Unless something is changed there is only Zach Reichle and he is not suited for paint play. Campbell is only 6'3 but maybe he is athletic enough to stretch out on D and fit into the O. That's a really small lineup but the quickness deficit has killed the beavs in recent years. Can't get the ball up the court, cant get guys open on inbound plays, getting beat on the backdoor rotation etc.
Could really use one more Hollins to cover for the lack of athletic stretch on this team.
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Post by seastape on Aug 16, 2018 12:07:00 GMT -8
That's not a bad assessment; there will definitely be a hole in the middle this year.
What I would like to see out of the new bigs is for at least one to step up and become a solid rebounder. As good as Eubanks was, even he was a little light on the rebounds last year at 6.8/game while playing 31.3 mins/game. For a strong, 6'10" guy with athleticism, I was hoping he would surpass his sophomore year rebounding totals of 8.3/game, but instead he went backwards.
I don't expect any of the new bigs to get 9/game, that would put them in the top 40 last year and I don't expect any to get the minutes to do so. But I would like to see some real fighters on the boards, especially if our new guys are being taught defense-first. Ideally, OSU would be able to have a couple bigs in the game at the same time so Tres can play the 3 spot. OSU was 196th in the nation last year at rebounds per game at <35/game. It would be great to see that stat raised.
Probably not going to happen. I expect the new guys to be too raw to really contribute except off the bench, and so your suggestion that we play some small ball is very realistic. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:34:58 GMT -8
That's not a bad assessment; there will definitely be a hole in the middle this year.
What I would like to see out of the new bigs is for at least one to step up and become a solid rebounder. As good as Eubanks was, even he was a little light on the rebounds last year at 6.8/game while playing 31.3 mins/game. For a strong, 6'10" guy with athleticism, I was hoping he would surpass his sophomore year rebounding totals of 8.3/game, but instead he went backwards.
I don't expect any of the new bigs to get 9/game, that would put them in the top 40 last year and I don't expect any to get the minutes to do so. But I would like to see some real fighters on the boards, especially if our new guys are being taught defense-first. Ideally, OSU would be able to have a couple bigs in the game at the same time so Tres can play the 3 spot. OSU was 196th in the nation last year at rebounds per game at <35/game. It would be great to see that stat raised.
Probably not going to happen. I expect the new guys to be too raw to really contribute except off the bench, and so you're suggestion that we play some small ball is very realistic. yes that's a minimum amount for his strength and jumping ability. Maybe he was so committed to blocking shots he was on the way down when the other rebounders were going up? Moses Malone said he had to forget about blocking shots to become a great rebounder. Guy knew something about cleaning the boards. I think Ben Kone would have been a critical piece this year. He had the perfect rebounder physique and mentality. I dont know exactly why he transferred but it looks from here like a Gary Anderson-Esqe failure to identify talent. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 16, 2018 13:15:44 GMT -8
That's not a bad assessment; there will definitely be a hole in the middle this year.
What I would like to see out of the new bigs is for at least one to step up and become a solid rebounder. As good as Eubanks was, even he was a little light on the rebounds last year at 6.8/game while playing 31.3 mins/game. For a strong, 6'10" guy with athleticism, I was hoping he would surpass his sophomore year rebounding totals of 8.3/game, but instead he went backwards.
I don't expect any of the new bigs to get 9/game, that would put them in the top 40 last year and I don't expect any to get the minutes to do so. But I would like to see some real fighters on the boards, especially if our new guys are being taught defense-first. Ideally, OSU would be able to have a couple bigs in the game at the same time so Tres can play the 3 spot. OSU was 196th in the nation last year at rebounds per game at <35/game. It would be great to see that stat raised.
Probably not going to happen. I expect the new guys to be too raw to really contribute except off the bench, and so you're suggestion that we play some small ball is very realistic. I think Ben Kone would have been a critical piece this year. He had the perfect rebounder physique and mentality. I dont know exactly why he transferred but it looks from here like a Gary Anderson-Esqe failure to identify talent.His knee basically exploded his senior year in high school and then he had a 2nd procedure on the same knee his soph year in college. Cal, Auburn, New Mexico, San Diego St also offered him out of high school. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:21:08 GMT -8
I think Ben Kone would have been a critical piece this year. He had the perfect rebounder physique and mentality. I dont know exactly why he transferred but it looks from here like a Gary Anderson-Esqe failure to identify talent.His knee basically exploded his senior year in high school and then he had a 2nd procedure on the same knee his soph year in college. Cal, Auburn, New Mexico, San Diego St also offered him out of high school. I was aware of the knee problems. He seemed to still have the physical ability when he saw action last year in limited duty. Maybe a just case of bad luck and this one is not on the coaching staff. |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 16, 2018 13:26:08 GMT -8
His knee basically exploded his senior year in high school and then he had a 2nd procedure on the same knee his soph year in college. Cal, Auburn, New Mexico, San Diego St also offered him out of high school. I was aware of the knee problems. He seemed to still have the physical ability when he saw action last year in limited duty. Maybe a just case of bad luck and this one is not on the coaching staff. I don't think he ever got his legs back. He definitely still went out, put out the effort, and threw his body around. I like the way he mixed it up but you could tell his abilities weren't what he was used to. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Aug 16, 2018 13:26:59 GMT -8
Tough to tell what Kone might have been if not gotten hurt. This year he might have helped some with rebounding but not much else. Anyone seen a report on where he is going? I believe Manual is going to Montana and Xavier to Idaho.
As to the current roster. Big G has to stay healthy. I'm hoping he can give us 25 mpg. If he can do that then I think we see the 3 newcomers average about 12 mpg between the group and small ball for a few minutes each game.
Has anyone heard anything about Dastrup being eligible this year? I remember in the O-Live article announcing his transfer that he said he might have a chance at a waiver, though I'm not sure why. Dastrup and Big G are reasons we might see a little more production from the new bigs this year. It will certainly help them practicing against those two as well as each other.
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Post by beaverinohio on Aug 16, 2018 13:31:22 GMT -8
I was aware of the knee problems. He seemed to still have the physical ability when he saw action last year in limited duty. Maybe a just case of bad luck and this one is not on the coaching staff. I don't think he ever got his legs back. He definitely still went out, put out the effort, and threw his body around. I like the way he mixed it up but you could tell his abilities weren't what he was used to. Totally agree. He seemed to be playing on pure will power and grit. He shot 1 for 11 from field last year and 27% in his very limited career in Corvallis. It's a shame, but I wouldn't put any of that on the coaching staff. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 16, 2018 14:09:02 GMT -8
His knee basically exploded his senior year in high school and then he had a 2nd procedure on the same knee his soph year in college. Cal, Auburn, New Mexico, San Diego St also offered him out of high school. I was aware of the knee problems. He seemed to still have the physical ability when he saw action last year in limited duty. Maybe a just case of bad luck and this one is not on the coaching staff. I didn't necessarily see the physical ability but I absolutely saw someone giving maximum effort, that's for sure. I just don't think the knee ever got quite right and there's probably a mental component to all that as well in terms of trusting the knee. He also seemed to try to pack 40 minutes worth of basketball into a 3 minute shift to show everyone he's fine, so he was a little too fast with the ball, the shots, the passes.. But with all that said, agree, sure would have been nice to have him, can always use another kid who is going to bang and dive for loose balls. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 16, 2018 16:58:23 GMT -8
I think Big G is going to be a pleasant surprise to many this year. I do worry about his ability to stay in the game due to foul trouble.
Wilson will be interesting at the least. He was a 4 star recruit and considered to be the number 1 center in California after his junior year on at least one or two services. Not playing his senior year and his early commitment here hurt his recruiting star status. He potentially could be a huge surprise.
Add in Kelley,who apparently held his own against the dux bigmen in a game a couple years back, and we may be able to absorb the loss of Eubanks just fine.
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Post by seastape on Aug 17, 2018 8:24:16 GMT -8
I think Big G is going to be a pleasant surprise to many this year. I do worry about his ability to stay in the game due to foul trouble. Wilson will be interesting at the least. He was a 4 star recruit and considered to be the number 1 center in California after his junior year on at least one or two services. Not playing his senior year and his early commitment here hurt his recruiting star status. He potentially could be a huge surprise. Add in Kelley,who apparently held his own against the dux bigmen in a game a couple years back, and we may be able to absorb the loss of Eubanks just fine. It should not be too surprising to see at least one or two of the new bigs contributing by the end of this year. All three were offered by at least one other Power 5 school and by schools that are not Power 5 but have a good hoops tradition (such as Butler).
If just one can come through to contribute this year and Big G can step into a starters role, we could actually move up and be a better team than last year. That is not at all outside the realm of possibility.
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Post by beavadelic on Aug 19, 2018 13:22:52 GMT -8
I think Ben Kone would have been a critical piece this year. He had the perfect rebounder physique and mentality. I dont know exactly why he transferred but it looks from here like a Gary Anderson-Esqe failure to identify talent.His knee basically exploded his senior year in high school and then he had a 2nd procedure on the same knee his soph year in college. Cal, Auburn, New Mexico, San Diego St also offered him out of high school. I do know that Ben was not happy, and apparently was open in his discontent around the team. It was becoming a distraction, and I’m glad he took his talents elsewhere, even if the potential on the court was there somewhere. Not being inside the program, none of us could really say for sure what all went on, but the last thing our struggling program needs is dissension among the kids compounding the challenges. |
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