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Post by seastape on Jul 24, 2018 10:00:41 GMT -8
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Post by bill82 on Jul 24, 2018 14:26:51 GMT -8
Kelley said, "Defense is a focus under head coach Wayne Tinkle."
Made me chuckle.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 24, 2018 16:40:31 GMT -8
Kelley said, "Defense is a focus under head coach Wayne Tinkle." Made me chuckle. We were second in the Pac-12 in scoring defense last year. We were third in rebounding defense. We were fourth in FG percentage defense and fourth in steals. We were fifth in 3-point percentage defense. In the top third in almost every defensive category. Ha ha.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 24, 2018 17:16:29 GMT -8
Kelley said, "Defense is a focus under head coach Wayne Tinkle." Made me chuckle. Scoring defense under Tinkle... second in league twice, fifth once, seventh was his worst.
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Kelley
Jul 24, 2018 17:59:09 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 24, 2018 17:59:09 GMT -8
Defensive stats vs a league not known for a lick of D (last time I saw something I thought Utah was tops in Pac12...like #70 in the country... OSU like #120... SC like 150) has meant what in terms of the only stat that matters... W's? Especially on the road vs anybody!
I'm not going to look it up, but isn't 2nd in D scoring like 10pts worse a game than it was? While our offense is well... offensive! Especially considering the level of D the Pac12 plays.
There's plenty to chuckle about the current staffs' prowess on either end of the court.
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Kelley
Jul 24, 2018 18:14:15 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 24, 2018 18:14:15 GMT -8
Kelley said, "Defense is a focus under head coach Wayne Tinkle." Made me chuckle. We were second in the Pac-12 in scoring defense last year. We were third in rebounding defense. We were fourth in FG percentage defense and fourth in steals. We were fifth in 3-point percentage defense. In the top third in almost every defensive category. Ha ha. You realize saying OSU is in the top third in any D category is simply not saying much? First... The Pac12 is woeful vs the rest of the nation. The Pac12 has simply gone downhill overall. Ex- Pac12 had three teams in the top 100 Def Reb/g... OSU was #231. Two in the top 100 in FG% D. OSU #129. 3pt FG D... ZERO TEAMS in top 100 (UW was #103). OSU #172. Scoring D same story. Second... with league obviously so poor on D, it makes you wonder just how bad our offensive scheme is!?
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Post by ag87 on Jul 24, 2018 19:23:13 GMT -8
We were second in the Pac-12 in scoring defense last year. We were third in rebounding defense. We were fourth in FG percentage defense and fourth in steals. We were fifth in 3-point percentage defense. In the top third in almost every defensive category. Ha ha. You realize saying OSU is in the top third in any D category is simply not saying much? First... The Pac12 is woeful vs the rest of the nation. The Pac12 has simply gone downhill overall. Ex- Pac12 had three teams in the top 100 Def Reb/g... OSU was #231. Two in the top 100 in FG% D. OSU #129. 3pt FG D... ZERO TEAMS in top 100 (UW was #103). OSU #172. Scoring D same story. Second... with league obviously so poor on D, it makes you wonder just how bad our offensive scheme is!? Per Ken Pomeroy's site. I dont know how these numbers are calculated. You can take them for what you would like. I will list his adjusted defense numbers in order for the Pac-12, with the national rank afterwards. These are for 2017/2018. Utah 98.9, 63; Stanford 99.3, 71; Washington 99.5, 73; Colorado 99.6, 77; Arizona 100.4, 83; USC 100.5, 87; Oregon 100.9, 98; Oregon State 101.3, 102; UCLA 101.4, 103; Arizona State 102.6, 123; California 105.4, 181; Washington State 110.0, 278.
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Kelley
Jul 24, 2018 19:54:44 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 24, 2018 19:54:44 GMT -8
You realize saying OSU is in the top third in any D category is simply not saying much? First... The Pac12 is woeful vs the rest of the nation. The Pac12 has simply gone downhill overall. Ex- Pac12 had three teams in the top 100 Def Reb/g... OSU was #231. Two in the top 100 in FG% D. OSU #129. 3pt FG D... ZERO TEAMS in top 100 (UW was #103). OSU #172. Scoring D same story. Second... with league obviously so poor on D, it makes you wonder just how bad our offensive scheme is!? Per Ken Pomeroy's site. I dont know how these numbers are calculated. You can take them for what you would like. I will list his adjusted defense numbers in order for the Pac-12, with the national rank afterwards. These are for 2017/2018. Utah 98.9, 63; Stanford 99.3, 71; Washington 99.5, 73; Colorado 99.6, 77; Arizona 100.4, 83; USC 100.5, 87; Oregon 100.9, 98; Oregon State 101.3, 102; UCLA 101.4, 103; Arizona State 102.6, 123; California 105.4, 181; Washington State 110.0, 278. No idea how they are calculated either. The NCAA and others stay pretty basic. Only one stat that matters though...
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Kelley
Jul 25, 2018 14:24:41 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 25, 2018 14:24:41 GMT -8
You realize saying OSU is in the top third in any D category is simply not saying much? First... The Pac12 is woeful vs the rest of the nation. The Pac12 has simply gone downhill overall. Ex- Pac12 had three teams in the top 100 Def Reb/g... OSU was #231. Two in the top 100 in FG% D. OSU #129. 3pt FG D... ZERO TEAMS in top 100 (UW was #103). OSU #172. Scoring D same story. Second... with league obviously so poor on D, it makes you wonder just how bad our offensive scheme is!? Per Ken Pomeroy's site. I dont know how these numbers are calculated. You can take them for what you would like. I will list his adjusted defense numbers in order for the Pac-12, with the national rank afterwards. These are for 2017/2018. Utah 98.9, 63; Stanford 99.3, 71; Washington 99.5, 73; Colorado 99.6, 77; Arizona 100.4, 83; USC 100.5, 87; Oregon 100.9, 98; Oregon State 101.3, 102; UCLA 101.4, 103; Arizona State 102.6, 123; California 105.4, 181; Washington State 110.0, 278. Pomeroy is known to be very down on Pac-12 teams (for whatever reason). Massey also ranks defenses. National rankings for Pac-12 teams: 25. Utah 65. Arizona 69. Oregon State 80. USC 91. Colorado 103. Oregon 120. Washington 141. Stanford 162. UCLA 182. California 220. Arizona State 245. Washington State
2016/17:
121. Oregon State (7th in Pac-12)
2015/16:
66. Oregon State (5th in Pac-12)
2014/15
15. Oregon State (1st in Pac-12)
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Post by seastape on Jul 25, 2018 16:46:24 GMT -8
When I think back to last season, it's not the defense that I am terrifically worried about, although I do think that the defensive intensity has declined since Tinkle first couple of seasons.
I am far more worried about the offense. We had some long stretches last year where the offense just disappeared. 5+ minute stretches without a score...those happened too frequently last year and that needs to be improved on.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 25, 2018 16:58:41 GMT -8
When I think back to last season, it's not the defense that I am terrifically worried about, although I do think that the defensive intensity has declined since Tinkle first couple of seasons.
I am far more worried about the offense. We had some long stretches last year where the offense just disappeared. 5+ minute stretches without a score...those happened too frequently last year and that needs to be improved on. This season we actually might have a point guard or two - hopefully. The Beavs haven't had that for a couple of years. I agree the scoring droughts were a big issue last year and cost the team several games.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 26, 2018 7:33:39 GMT -8
Kelley said, "Defense is a focus under head coach Wayne Tinkle." Made me chuckle. I hope you were chuckling because our issues tend to be consistency on offense... not consistency on defense. Defense, in general, has been A-okay with Tinkle. Having a true floor general and a consistent attack on offense has been the major heel.
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Kelley
Jul 26, 2018 7:37:44 GMT -8
Post by TheGlove on Jul 26, 2018 7:37:44 GMT -8
Kelley said, "Defense is a focus under head coach Wayne Tinkle." Made me chuckle. I hope you were chuckling because our issues tend to be consistency on offense... not consistency on defense. Defense, in general, has been A-okay with Tinkle. Having a true floor general and a consistent attack on offense has been the major heel. And Kelley didn't say that, the writer did. So bill82 attributed that sentence to the wrong person.
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