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Post by 56chevy on Jul 16, 2018 10:42:17 GMT -8
How soon we forget the great talent from the past....Jacoby was a 4 tool guy who proved that he could hit for power when he got to the bigs - hit for higher average, so fast, and he could dunk it from the foul line - and then you have to go back down through the years. Adley is the latest, may be one of the greatest ever when all is said and done, but there have been great Beavers all through the decades.[/quote I would agree.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 16, 2018 13:39:51 GMT -8
...yes, his numbers may go down next year - it would be pretty insane to even keep them the same. That said, this year was his first year focusing only on baseball, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on his numbers. But what I suspect will happen is that he will improve incrementally, and the numbers may not show it. You wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on a .408 average, 102 hits, 83 RBI, 56 runs scored and a .628 slugging percentage? I sure as hell would. This team set OSU all-time records in: Batting Average Hits Doubles Home Runs RBI They also missed the record for base on balls by one. No OSU team has ever had more guys on base. Without Kwan, Madrigal, Larnach hitting in front of him, he has almost no shot at the RBI total he put up this year. Batting average is likely to suffer because...well because people don't hit .400 very often. Adley was the sixth ever to do it at OSU, and nobody has done it more than once. I like what you said about him improving but the numbers not showing it. As he will undoubtedly see fewer pitches to hit as the focal point of our offense next season, I would expect to see some struggles as he maybe chases pitches early in the season trying to make something happen rather than just accepting ball four....but by the end of the season you may see a guy that obliterates every pitch in the strike zone as he becomes more selective and dials in on pitches that he can drive.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 16, 2018 14:28:15 GMT -8
...yes, his numbers may go down next year - it would be pretty insane to even keep them the same. That said, this year was his first year focusing only on baseball, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on his numbers. But what I suspect will happen is that he will improve incrementally, and the numbers may not show it. You wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on a .408 average, 102 hits, 83 RBI, 56 runs scored and a .628 slugging percentage? I sure as hell would. This team set OSU all-time records in: Batting Average Hits Doubles Home Runs RBI They also missed the record for base on balls by one. No OSU team has ever had more guys on base. Without Kwan, Madrigal, Larnach hitting in front of him, he has almost no shot at the RBI total he put up this year. Batting average is likely to suffer because...well because people don't hit .400 very often. Adley was the sixth ever to do it at OSU, and nobody has done it more than once. I like what you said about him improving but the numbers not showing it. As he will undoubtedly see fewer pitches to hit as the focal point of our offense next season, I would expect to see some struggles as he maybe chases pitches early in the season trying to make something happen rather than just accepting ball four....but by the end of the season you may see a guy that obliterates every pitch in the strike zone as he becomes more selective and dials in on pitches that he can drive. Matching those numbers would be pretty unfathomable. Jr. year Ellsbury hit .406/.495/.582 with 99 hits, 6 dingers and 48 RBIs. Pretty outstanding really. the RBI discrepancy is everything you just talked about. Adley was in the clean up spot with a generational good line up in front of him. But if you want to talk about all time greats. Ellsbury has quite the case. Freshman year he was hitting .330, sophmore year .352, then Jr year .406. He also stole 14 -20 - 26 bases and was outstanding in the field. I totally don't want to harsh on Adley's star or anything... but man OSU has had some greats. I think we can agree Adley is shaping up to be one of them. trying to declare him GOAT is silly.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 16, 2018 16:11:26 GMT -8
...yes, his numbers may go down next year - it would be pretty insane to even keep them the same. That said, this year was his first year focusing only on baseball, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on his numbers. But what I suspect will happen is that he will improve incrementally, and the numbers may not show it. You wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on a .408 average, 102 hits, 83 RBI, 56 runs scored and a .628 slugging percentage? I sure as hell would. This team set OSU all-time records in: Batting Average Hits Doubles Home Runs RBI They also missed the record for base on balls by one. No OSU team has ever had more guys on base. Without Kwan, Madrigal, Larnach hitting in front of him, he has almost no shot at the RBI total he put up this year. Batting average is likely to suffer because...well because people don't hit .400 very often. Adley was the sixth ever to do it at OSU, and nobody has done it more than once. I like what you said about him improving but the numbers not showing it. As he will undoubtedly see fewer pitches to hit as the focal point of our offense next season, I would expect to see some struggles as he maybe chases pitches early in the season trying to make something happen rather than just accepting ball four....but by the end of the season you may see a guy that obliterates every pitch in the strike zone as he becomes more selective and dials in on pitches that he can drive. Adley Rutschman is third all-time in single season batting average, but the 1997 team will still be batting six points better than the 2018 team. 2018 surpassed the 2006 team for most hits. Rutschman is first all-time in single season hits, passing Ellsbury, but Rutschman passed Ellsbury in game 67. Rutschman only tied Ellsbury in game 66. If you exclude the final two games, Ellsbury had three more hits than Rutschman, even though Ellsbury played 12% fewer games. If Ellsbury keeps hitting at his clip for 67 games, Ellsbury winds up with nine more hits than Rutschman. Despite missing parts of six games, Steven Kwan is third all-time in single season hits, passing Nick Madrigal last year. Trevor Larnach is now fifth. Cadyn Grenier tied Cole Gillespie for sixth. 2018 surpassed the 2006 team for most doubles. Adley Rutschman tied Bill Rowe and Dylan Davis for fifth in single season doubles. Michael Gretler is now eighth all-time in single season doubles. Trevor Larnach is tied with A.J. Marquardt, Joe Gerber, Jacoby Ellsbury, and Ryan Dunn for 11th. 2018 surpassed the 1998 team for home runs. Larnach is second all-time in single season home runs. 2018 surpassed 1997 in RBI. Rutschman is first all-time in single season RBI, surpassing Michael Conforto. Trevor Larnach is now second. Rutschman broke Conforto's record with his three-run double against North Carolina in game 62 (for him). Larnach broke Conforto's record with his two-run shot in game 67. Conforto's 77 RBI came in 60 games. If you project out Conforto for an additional seven games, he would have had three more RBI than Rutschman. If you project out Conforto for an additional eight games, he would have had 10 more RBI than Larnach. The 2018 team also tied the 2006 team for most GIDPs in school history with 55.
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Post by bdudbeaver on Jul 16, 2018 17:50:45 GMT -8
Wow, this is actually like a conversation two guys in a bar might have had 100 years ago about Pie Traynor and Tris Speaker. Thankfully some things haven't changed...
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 16, 2018 18:01:47 GMT -8
Wow, this is actually like a conversation two guys in a bar might have had 100 years ago about Pie Traynor and Tris Speaker. Thankfully some things haven't changed... Traynor & Speaker? Josh Gibson is still the GOAT.
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Post by beavadelic on Jul 17, 2018 20:20:02 GMT -8
You wouldn't be surprised to see him improve on a .408 average, 102 hits, 83 RBI, 56 runs scored and a .628 slugging percentage? I sure as hell would. This team set OSU all-time records in: Batting Average Hits Doubles Home Runs RBI They also missed the record for base on balls by one. No OSU team has ever had more guys on base. Without Kwan, Madrigal, Larnach hitting in front of him, he has almost no shot at the RBI total he put up this year. Batting average is likely to suffer because...well because people don't hit .400 very often. Adley was the sixth ever to do it at OSU, and nobody has done it more than once. I like what you said about him improving but the numbers not showing it. As he will undoubtedly see fewer pitches to hit as the focal point of our offense next season, I would expect to see some struggles as he maybe chases pitches early in the season trying to make something happen rather than just accepting ball four....but by the end of the season you may see a guy that obliterates every pitch in the strike zone as he becomes more selective and dials in on pitches that he can drive. Matching those numbers would be pretty unfathomable. Jr. year Ellsbury hit .406/.495/.582 with 99 hits, 6 dingers and 48 RBIs. Pretty outstanding really. the RBI discrepancy is everything you just talked about. Adley was in the clean up spot with a generational good line up in front of him. But if you want to talk about all time greats. Ellsbury has quite the case. Freshman year he was hitting .330, sophmore year .352, then Jr year .406. He also stole 14 -20 - 26 bases and was outstanding in the field. I totally don't want to harsh on Adley's star or anything... but man OSU has had some greats. I think we can agree Adley is shaping up to be one of them. trying to declare him GOAT is silly. I agree..I’m never a big fan of the GOAT talk anyway -at any level in any sport. I realize that it keeps life interesting for a lot of fans to debate such things, but comparing athletes from different generations is futile. What is clear to me is that great players are great players, and there is always room on the list for more of them. GP is a really good example - he is an easy Hall of Famer due to sustained elite-level e pulpits as both a college player and a pro. He has been on the top 50 all-time list for 15 years, but as new talent emerges, he continues slipping. The last list had him in the 40’s, and one I saw barely had him in the top 10 for all-time PGs. I guarantee that GP was as great for his time as just about any PGs and most stars in general have been at any time in the history of his game. Like virtually every great player in any sport, they really have a game that is unlike anyone else. Adley will go down as an all-timer for OSU. Ellsbury, Conforto and Madrigal will as well, not to mention several others in the past couple decades and even a bunch of guys dating back to before Casey arrived in Corvallis. When I really stop and think about this program, it’s amazing to recall how many really talented and gritty players have graced us with unforgettable performances on the mound, in the field and at the plate. I really don’t care who MAY have been the GOAT, I’m just beyond thankful that these guys chose to play for the Beavs. Beaver Nation has truly been blessed.
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