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Post by nabeav on Jul 6, 2017 12:59:06 GMT -8
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Post by obf on Jul 6, 2017 13:19:27 GMT -8
The thesis of his argument being that, once again, we are "competing with the big boys for recruits... and winning a few!" and also that since we only have 15 schollies to give out that we will be down the counting lists... but isn't that why we dont use those lists and use 24/7's average rating list?? # of athletes recruited shouldn't matter in that list right?!?!?! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 6, 2017 13:26:59 GMT -8
With only 15 scholarships to give it's tough to have high expectations for a high ranking class, even if the per player average ranking is up. In future years it'd be nice to have a better class ranking.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 6, 2017 15:12:59 GMT -8
The "When Andersen took over the program, recruiting success sometimes meant beating the likes of Middle Tennessee State, Florida International, Hawaii and San Jose State for hidden gems" line was just bull crap. I don't ever remember anyone being excited that a guy committed to us over FIU. Remember when we got Brandin Cooks, or Markus Wheaton, or Michael Philipp or Jeremy Perry? Those were recruiting wins for us. I don't get why those things are just swept under the rug while the fact that a kid from Corvallis who has us in his top ten even though let's be real he's not coming here is celebrated like we're all of a sudden a major player on the recruiting trail. Also, Jeremy Perry might've been a bad example khon2.com/2016/10/01/hawaiis-most-wanted-jeremy-perry/ |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 6, 2017 15:27:37 GMT -8
Nemec comes across as young with little sense of OSU recruiting history, or a very bad memory.
There's nothing wrong with a little enthusiasm, but I don't trust his judgement when it comes to comparison of the various coaching eras at OSU.
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Post by obf on Jul 6, 2017 15:28:18 GMT -8
With only 15 scholarships to give it's tough to have high expectations for a high ranking class, even if the per player average ranking is up. In future years it'd be nice to have a better class ranking. I am still confused... size of class should have nothing to do with it if it is a per player average... in fact not having room for a handful of low star diamonds in the rough / in state hat tips, should only make the ranking better right? Who still does a non per player ranking? That ranking is just systematically null and void... |
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Post by obf on Jul 6, 2017 15:30:37 GMT -8
Nemec comes across as young with little sense of OSU recruiting history, or a very bad memory. There's nothing wrong with a little enthusiasm, but I don't trust his judgement when it comes to comparison of the various coaching eras at OSU. I thought Nemec was a breath of fresh air at first, since he actually paid some attention and gave some positivity to Beaver recruiting, but now I have found his rhetoric has becoming monotonous and lacking in evidence. What we really need is for CGA to deliver on a bunch of these "battles" so we can have something REAL to crow about... And even then Baseba!!!! will still be right to come in and say stars really mean nothing, and wake me up when they qualify for school  |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 6, 2017 16:12:40 GMT -8
With only 15 scholarships to give it's tough to have high expectations for a high ranking class, even if the per player average ranking is up. In future years it'd be nice to have a better class ranking. I am still confused... size of class should have nothing to do with it if it is a per player average... in fact not having room for a handful of low star diamonds in the rough / in state hat tips, should only make the ranking better right? Who still does a non per player ranking? That ranking is just systematically null and void... Most of them rank class by per player rating AND sheer numbers. For instance Rivals currently ranks Washington's class 31st, it has a per player rank of 3.67. Rivals currently ranks LSU's class 3rd, it has a per player rank of 3.38. What's the difference, sheer numbers. LSU has a lot more commits. Come signing day, unless all your kids are highly ranked, 15 commits is going to get you a low ranked class. Unless you are USC and a couple other schools that get to pick and choose from 4 and 5 star kids, a highly ranked class with that few signings ain't gonna happen. We could have our best per player ranking ever but not have a class ranked as high as some of our classes with 23-26 players signed. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 7, 2017 7:13:15 GMT -8
The "When Andersen took over the program, recruiting success sometimes meant beating the likes of Middle Tennessee State, Florida International, Hawaii and San Jose State for hidden gems" line was just bull crap. I don't ever remember anyone being excited that a guy committed to us over FIU. Remember when we got Brandin Cooks, or Markus Wheaton, or Michael Philipp or Jeremy Perry? Those were recruiting wins for us. I don't get why those things are just swept under the rug while the fact that a kid from Corvallis who has us in his top ten even though let's be real he's not coming here is celebrated like we're all of a sudden a major player on the recruiting trail. Also, Jeremy Perry might've been a bad example khon2.com/2016/10/01/hawaiis-most-wanted-jeremy-perry/Or when we got Issac Seumalo, whom nobody seems to want to count because his dad was a coach... Sure didn't stop the full court press from USC. People on the boards were honestly sweating it a bit. I would wager, if you could get an accurate list of every offer for every player we have the overwhelming majority would also have other pac-12 offers. Yes, we did get players that only also had WAC offers sometimes. But the reality is we were competing with the likes of Utah, Colorado and Washington State FAR more than with the likes of Middle Tennessee State. |
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Post by blackbug on Jul 8, 2017 18:40:48 GMT -8
I can almost guarantee that this class will be closer to 20. If the class does stay in the 15-20 range it means that the Andersen staff has done a good job of retaining recruits they previously recruited to come here. Because of attrition most college teams have 15-20 seniors on their roster not counting walkons. So basically the only way any team recruits up to 25+ any given year is because previous years recruits are leaving early.
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 10, 2017 9:51:02 GMT -8
I can almost guarantee that this class will be closer to 20. If the class does stay in the 15-20 range it means that the Andersen staff has done a good job of retaining recruits they previously recruited to come here. Because of attrition most college teams have 15-20 seniors on their roster not counting walkons. So basically the only way any team recruits up to 25+ any given year is because previous years recruits are leaving early. Yeah, we have 15 seniors on scholarship this year, but going back to the off-season 2009-2010, we have had attrition of at least 8 scholarship players every single year. Any coaching staff worth his salt would have to know this. I would imagine we try to sign 23, or more assuming the coaching staff has a better idea of possible medical retirements, transfers, etc. 2016, we had 16 seniors on scholarship and we signed a sh!t-ton more guys than that. |
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Post by nabeav on Jul 10, 2017 10:53:37 GMT -8
So....why was this article written then - Wouldn't Nemec know attrition is a fact of life as well? My guess is that Nemec asked someone on staff about recruiting so far, and this was the answer/excuse they gave him and Nemec ran with it. It's kind of like when Craig Robinson said something about "it'll be a miracle if we have a good season" and rattled off all the reasons why they were going to suck before they'd even tipped off the first game.
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Post by obf on Jul 10, 2017 11:11:43 GMT -8
So....why was this article written then - Wouldn't Nemec know attrition is a fact of life as well? My guess is that Nemec asked someone on staff about recruiting so far, and this was the answer/excuse they gave him and Nemec ran with it. It's kind of like when Craig Robinson said something about "it'll be a miracle if we have a good season" and rattled off all the reasons why they were going to suck before they'd even tipped off the first game. Yeah... the article comes off odd... apologizing for and excusing something that hasn't happened yet. And the fact that no one with half a brain looks at sheer volume of stars they should be looking at stars per player... On some level we all just have to come to grips with the fact that the Beavers, regardless of coach, will never be in the top 10-20 (30??) of college football recruiting... We can still be successful, it just wont be by using the same avenue as USC, Alabama, or even the hated *ucks. I always found rooting for the Moevaos, Rodgers and Poyers of this world more fun anyways  |
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Post by obf on Jul 10, 2017 11:13:35 GMT -8
Also, CGA needs to become the Dana Altman of College Football, or just the reincarnation of Dennis Erickson at OSU... The JuCo ranks will need to be "diamond" mine...
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 10, 2017 15:41:01 GMT -8
Also, CGA needs to become the Dana Altman of College Football, or just the reincarnation of Dennis Erickson at OSU... The JuCo ranks will need to be "diamond" mine... So GA should actively recruit sexual predators? I get your point, but if ANY OSU coach approached the level of DAs win at all cost in recruiting I'd be in the Admin's grill. There'd be a group who'd cut all donations if we ever settled for that kind of morality that is obviously not a "mistake", but more DAs recruiting norm in transfers. |
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