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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 22, 2016 23:35:33 GMT -8
After just seeing and ESPN report it got me thinking, is there another athlete in any sport that so dominated as The Great One in hockey?
Jagir just took over 2nd place in points scored... and he'd need over 1600 games/20 years averaging .588 pts per game to tie him.
20 seasons... 61 NHL records...
Among them: 92 goals in a single season, 163 assists in a single season, 215 points in a single season, a 51-game points streak, 2857 career points, and 1,072 professional goals. He won every Hart Trophy from 1980 to 1987 (and another in 1989) as the league's MVP and took home 10 Art Ross Trophies as the league's scoring leader. While captaining the Oilers to four Stanley Cups, Gretzky also took home two Conn Smythe trophies as the most valuable player in the playoffs.
Crazy to read some of the stuff he accomplished!
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 23, 2016 7:17:56 GMT -8
I loved Jagr's comment that he didn't count Gretzky because the Great One was from another planet. No one could have said a better thing about the greatest in history.
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Post by seastape on Dec 23, 2016 9:48:39 GMT -8
I think you're right...who else dominated his sport like Gretzky?
The closest I can think of is in a sport that many disregard as a sideshow. That would be Tony Hawk in skateboarding. For years it was him and then, far behind, the rest of the pack. At the same time, every list of "best hockey players of all time" has Gretzky at number 1 while there are a fair number lists that have one or two guys ahead of Tony Hawk.
What about Jerry Rice in football? He has 22,895 career receiving yards (second: Terrell Owens at 15,934, just under 70 % of what Rice has); 1,549 career receptions (2nd: Tony Gonzalez at 1,325); and 197 career td receptions (2nd: Randy Moss at 156). He had a stretch of 11 consecutive 1000 yard seasons.
Jordan?
I think you're right: no one dominated their sport like Gretzky. |
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Post by ostate on Dec 23, 2016 9:57:43 GMT -8
Here is a Beaver to add to the list - Robin Reed pound for pound probably the greatest wrestler ever: While still attending Oregon State, Robin participated in the 1924 Pacific Northwest Olympic team trials. He entered the 145.5, 158.5, 174.0, and 192.0 pound weight classes, and won them all. He made the Olympic team, and on the boat trip to Europe he had unofficial matches against every other member of the United States team. It was widely known that he had the ability to pin every member of the team [weasel words], and on this occasion he nearly accomplished that, pinning 12 out the 13 of them, all but the person who would become the gold medalist at heavyweight that year, Harry Steel (He still beat him, however, despite not being able to pin him) Also, Sergey Bubka - Ukrainian Pole Vaulter that was dominate for 20 years... |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 23, 2016 14:24:50 GMT -8
I think you're right...who else dominated his sport like Gretzky?
The closest I can think of is in a sport that many disregard as a sideshow. That would be Tony Hawk in skateboarding. For years it was him and then, far behind, the rest of the pack. At the same time, every list of "best hockey players of all time" has Gretzky at number 1 while there are a fair number lists that have one or two guys ahead of Tony Hawk.
What about Jerry Rice in football? He has 22,895 career receiving yards (second: Terrell Owens at 15,934, just under 70 % of what Rice has); 1,549 career receptions (2nd: Tony Gonzalez at 1,325); and 197 career td receptions (2nd: Randy Moss at 156). He had a stretch of 11 consecutive 1000 yard seasons.
Jordan?
I think you're right: no one dominated their sport like Gretzky. Nah, a lot of Jerry Rice's career numbers outpace all other receivers by so much because he played for so long. He was dominant for a good bit of time - probably longer than anyone else - but not necessarily any more dominant than other receivers who have had their dominant phases. Babe Ruth is probably the only comparable guy to Gretzky. Ruth was miles ahead of the pack for many years after he retired, and still stands near the top of most statistical categories 100 years after he started. |
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Post by nsh03 on Dec 23, 2016 19:18:05 GMT -8
Gretzky's dominance is overstated. Yeah, he definitely put up some insane numbers, and his run with the Oilers was incredible. He probably had the best vision of any hockey player in history. But he also had the benefit of playing in the 80s, when everybody's stats were inflated, and on the most dominant team of the decade. Three other Oilers from that dynasty are in the top 20 in scoring all-time, including the 2nd line center behind Gretzky, Mark Messier, who sits #3 on the all-time scoring list. The Oilers won another Stanley Cup the year after Gretzky left (and Messier, who captained the Oilers to that Cup win, later went to New York and captained the Rangers to their only Stanley Cup since 1940), while Gretzky never won another Stanley Cup after he left Edmonton. To get an idea of how much Gretzky benefited from playing on that Oilers team, look at his +/- numbers: +574 in ten years in Edmonton, -33 in eleven years with Los Angeles, St. Louis, and the Rangers. I'm not trying to argue that Gretzky wasn't dominant or anything like that; he was the most dominant player on the most dominant team for a decade. But he was not the mythological beast he's often portrayed as.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 24, 2016 1:24:09 GMT -8
"I'm not trying to argue that Gretzky wasn't dominant or anything like that"
You just did in your first sentence on... he played on a loaded team... in the 80s... points went down when not on loaded team...
So, others on said loaded team, in the 80s, and some in similar time frames are not even within 20 YEARS playing time of his totals.
Yep overstated!
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Post by codyd70 on Dec 24, 2016 19:05:12 GMT -8
Kelly Slater surfing
James Stewert motorcross
Sean white Snowboarding
Michael Phelps swimming
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 25, 2016 8:24:46 GMT -8
I loved Jagr's comment that he didn't count Gretzky because the Great One was from another planet. No one could have said a better thing about the greatest in history. Nobody dominated pro wrestling like Ric Flair. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 25, 2016 11:50:40 GMT -8
I loved Jagr's comment that he didn't count Gretzky because the Great One was from another planet. No one could have said a better thing about the greatest in history. Nobody dominated pro wrestling like Ric Flair. No way... it was tough Tony Borne for me! Lol... Ah... late night Portland Wresting on TV, then traveling shows they put on at high schools... ... Buddy Rose, Ed Wiskowski, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Lonnie Mayne, Jimmy Snuka, Stan Stasiak, Dutch Savage, the Battling Midgets (is that PC now?), referee Sandy Barr! |
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Post by gnawitall on Dec 30, 2016 21:51:34 GMT -8
I hope Oregon State has a hockey team at some point. I'll be dead probably but I would LOVE IT!!!
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Post by thebeav on Dec 31, 2016 8:23:33 GMT -8
No way... it was tough Tony Borne for me! Lol... Ah... late night Portland Wresting on TV, then traveling shows they put on at high schools... ... Buddy Rose, Ed Wiskowski, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Lonnie Mayne, Jimmy Snuka, Stan Stasiak, Dutch Savage, the Battling Midgets (is that PC now?), referee Sandy Barr! When did PDX Wrestling die? Ripper Collins, Dutch Savage etc were fun to watch. The came to Waldport around 1974 and I thought I was in heaven. Jesse Ventura started in Portland? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 31, 2016 9:04:58 GMT -8
No way... it was tough Tony Borne for me! Lol... Ah... late night Portland Wresting on TV, then traveling shows they put on at high schools... ... Buddy Rose, Ed Wiskowski, Roddy Piper, Jesse Ventura, Lonnie Mayne, Jimmy Snuka, Stan Stasiak, Dutch Savage, the Battling Midgets (is that PC now?), referee Sandy Barr! When did PDX Wrestling die? Ripper Collins, Dutch Savage etc were fun to watch. The came to Waldport around 1974 and I thought I was in heaven. Jesse Ventura started in Portland? Don Owen and his brother Elton ran the Portland Wrestling promotion from the mid-40's through the late 90's. It's presence on TV dates to the earliest days of Oregon's first TV station KPTV. Matches were held downtown at the old Portland Armory until the late 60's when they moved to the "Portland Sports Arena", a converted bowling alley in North Portland. Matches were also held on a regular weekly schedule in Salem (Thursdays) and Eugene (Fridays). Toward the end of the 80's Elton (who ran the Matches outside Portland) retired and Don (who ran the Portland matches) handed over day to day operations to Sandy Barr and it continued on for a few years into the early 90's. Around that time the Wrestling industry consolidated around Vince McMahon's WWF as he bought up many of the old regional promotions. Portland Wrestling fell victim to a combination of the following adverse events: 1. Loss of continuity and leadership from Don and Elton Owen 2. Business failure of Tom Peterson's, their primary television sponsor. 3. State of Oregon Boxing and Wrestling commission requiring steroid testing. 4. Industry consolidation nationwide, led by WWF. When Portland Wrestling went off Portland TV around 1991 or 2 it marked the effective end of the promotion.  |
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 4, 2017 20:12:45 GMT -8
I have an alternative for a dominate person in their sport--Ashton Eaton. World Record and Olympic Record holder. Back to back Gold medals. Started school in LaPine and then to Mountain View in Bend.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 4, 2017 22:24:31 GMT -8
When did PDX Wrestling die? Ripper Collins, Dutch Savage etc were fun to watch. The came to Waldport around 1974 and I thought I was in heaven. Jesse Ventura started in Portland? Don Owen and his brother Elton ran the Portland Wrestling promotion from the mid-40's through the late 90's. It's presence on TV dates to the earliest days of Oregon's first TV station KPTV. Matches were held downtown at the old Portland Armory until the late 60's when they moved to the "Portland Sports Arena", a converted bowling alley in North Portland. Matches were also held on a regular weekly schedule in Salem (Thursdays) and Eugene (Fridays). Toward the end of the 80's Elton (who ran the Matches outside Portland) retired and Don (who ran the Portland matches) handed over day to day operations to Sandy Barr and it continued on for a few years into the early 90's. Around that time the Wrestling industry consolidated around Vince McMahon's WWF as he bought up many of the old regional promotions. Portland Wrestling fell victim to a combination of the following adverse events: 1. Loss of continuity and leadership from Don and Elton Owen 2. Business failure of Tom Peterson's, their primary television sponsor. 3. State of Oregon Boxing and Wrestling commission requiring steroid testing. 4. Industry consolidation nationwide, led by WWF. When Portland Wrestling went off Portland TV around 1991 or 2 it marked the effective end of the promotion. I worked out at Loprinzi's Gym (SE Division and 41st?) for a while in 1988. 3. State of Oregon Boxing and Wrestling commission requiring steroid testing. I remember seeing a native american guy squatting 800 lbs and a wrestler I recognized (can't remember his name, bleached hair, fake tan) benching about 550. It felt like another world in there. I started going to Western Athletic Club on Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy and decided to hang out with the suburbanites. |
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