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Post by beaverton527 on May 7, 2024 14:03:55 GMT -8
Does anyone know why Oregon State is not an AAU member? Oregon State basically had no chance of joining the Big 10 as it is not an AAU member (Association of American Universities). I have a hard time believing OSU's academics don't make the cut, so to speak. AAU membership is by invitation only. It sounds a bit political to me but perhaps others have more insights.
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Post by rgeorge on May 7, 2024 14:22:39 GMT -8
Does anyone know why Oregon State is not an AAU member? Oregon State basically had no chance of joining the Big 10 as it is not an AAU member (Association of American Universities). I have a hard time believing OSU's academics don't make the cut, so to speak. AAU membership is by invitation only. It sounds a bit political to me but perhaps others have more insights. First they have to be invited and approved by 3/4 of the membership of hoity toity members who look down on "land grant" agricultural based institutions. It is basically an "old boys club" that OSU probably would rather stay away from?? I know Iowa State left the AAU, as they said the rating system was favoring medical research over all other types. Some said they were to be ousted like Nebraska was in 2011... A policy brief on Nebraska's expulsion had quotes like, “It’s just a private club with five dozen members, representing less than 2 percent of all the colleges and universities in America..." Tapping the “old boys club” reference, the policy brief opined on the history of the AAU — likening its long-standing exclusivity to a “country club or secret society.” It said new members could be added only with the “assent of three-quarters of member institutions, a practice still in place today.” Pointing to the process of expelling Nebraska, the brief reported presidents of AAU member institutions in April 2011 converged at Washington’s Four Seasons Hotel where they “enjoyed cocktails and private dinners” while engineering Nebraska’s ouster. “In the eyes of the AAU, Nebraska’s sins were twofold,” according to the brief. “First, a lot of its federal research money was for agriculture, which the AAU discounted in the numerical rankings it used to judge research prowess.” Nebraska’s ratio of research funding to professors also was below other more-selective campuses with fewer students. “In other words, the University of Nebraska was ousted from the most prestigious club in higher education because it was doing what land-grant universities are supposed to: conduct research on practical matters, like feeding humanity, and educate substantial numbers of students, not all of whom were born into the ruling class.” The AAU doesn't seem to be a "fit" for OSU... just as the B10 isn't for athletics.
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Post by grayman on May 7, 2024 14:38:42 GMT -8
I wouldn't say OSU isn't a fit with the Big Ten in athletics so much as OSU doesn't bring enough brand power and earning potential in the eyes of the Big Ten. And with UO and UW joining, the Pacific Northwest footprint is taken. I doubt that AAU membership would change that or how other conferences view OSU.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 7, 2024 15:34:31 GMT -8
Does anyone know why Oregon State is not an AAU member? Oregon State basically had no chance of joining the Big 10 as it is not an AAU member (Association of American Universities). I have a hard time believing OSU's academics don't make the cut, so to speak. AAU membership is by invitation only. It sounds a bit political to me but perhaps others have more insights. First they have to be invited and approved by 3/4 of the membership of hoity toity members who look down on "land grant" agricultural based institutions. It is basically an "old boys club" that OSU probably would rather stay away from?? I know Iowa State left the AAU, as they said the rating system was favoring medical research over all other types. Some said they were to be ousted like Nebraska was in 2011... A policy brief on Nebraska's expulsion had quotes like, “It’s just a private club with five dozen members, representing less than 2 percent of all the colleges and universities in America..." Tapping the “old boys club” reference, the policy brief opined on the history of the AAU — likening its long-standing exclusivity to a “country club or secret society.” It said new members could be added only with the “assent of three-quarters of member institutions, a practice still in place today.” Pointing to the process of expelling Nebraska, the brief reported presidents of AAU member institutions in April 2011 converged at Washington’s Four Seasons Hotel where they “enjoyed cocktails and private dinners” while engineering Nebraska’s ouster. “In the eyes of the AAU, Nebraska’s sins were twofold,” according to the brief. “First, a lot of its federal research money was for agriculture, which the AAU discounted in the numerical rankings it used to judge research prowess.” Nebraska’s ratio of research funding to professors also was below other more-selective campuses with fewer students. “In other words, the University of Nebraska was ousted from the most prestigious club in higher education because it was doing what land-grant universities are supposed to: conduct research on practical matters, like feeding humanity, and educate substantial numbers of students, not all of whom were born into the ruling class.” The AAU doesn't seem to be a "fit" for OSU... just as the B10 isn't for athletics. The founding charge of the AAU was to make sure American Universities competed academically with the best in Europe. Which means the top research values were medical and classic sciences, like math, physics and chemistry. The bread and butter of what Oxford was historically known for. In 1900 nobody in Europe focused on livestock issues, or forestry management. you don't really gain classical prestige from that. To your point what is sad about the AAU, is they really haven't changed since 1900. they hold the same core belief on what constitutes academic prestige, which is first and foremost a top ranked and well respected medical school.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 7, 2024 15:37:31 GMT -8
First they have to be invited and approved by 3/4 of the membership of hoity toity members who look down on "land grant" agricultural based institutions. It is basically an "old boys club" that OSU probably would rather stay away from?? I know Iowa State left the AAU, as they said the rating system was favoring medical research over all other types. Some said they were to be ousted like Nebraska was in 2011... A policy brief on Nebraska's expulsion had quotes like, “It’s just a private club with five dozen members, representing less than 2 percent of all the colleges and universities in America..." Tapping the “old boys club” reference, the policy brief opined on the history of the AAU — likening its long-standing exclusivity to a “country club or secret society.” It said new members could be added only with the “assent of three-quarters of member institutions, a practice still in place today.” Pointing to the process of expelling Nebraska, the brief reported presidents of AAU member institutions in April 2011 converged at Washington’s Four Seasons Hotel where they “enjoyed cocktails and private dinners” while engineering Nebraska’s ouster. “In the eyes of the AAU, Nebraska’s sins were twofold,” according to the brief. “First, a lot of its federal research money was for agriculture, which the AAU discounted in the numerical rankings it used to judge research prowess.” Nebraska’s ratio of research funding to professors also was below other more-selective campuses with fewer students. “In other words, the University of Nebraska was ousted from the most prestigious club in higher education because it was doing what land-grant universities are supposed to: conduct research on practical matters, like feeding humanity, and educate substantial numbers of students, not all of whom were born into the ruling class.” The AAU doesn't seem to be a "fit" for OSU... just as the B10 isn't for athletics. The founding charge of the AAU was to make sure American Universities competed academically with the best in Europe. Which means the top research values were medical and classic sciences, like math, physics and chemistry. The bread and butter of what Oxford was historically known for. In 1900 nobody in Europe focused on livestock issues, or forestry management. you don't really gain classical prestige from that. To your point what is sad about the AAU, is they really haven't changed since 1900. they hold the same core belief on what constitutes academic prestige, which is first and foremost a top ranked and well respected medical school. So, shouldn't they kick uo out since they are no longer affiliated with OHSU?
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on May 7, 2024 15:53:09 GMT -8
The founding charge of the AAU was to make sure American Universities competed academically with the best in Europe. Which means the top research values were medical and classic sciences, like math, physics and chemistry. The bread and butter of what Oxford was historically known for. In 1900 nobody in Europe focused on livestock issues, or forestry management. you don't really gain classical prestige from that. To your point what is sad about the AAU, is they really haven't changed since 1900. they hold the same core belief on what constitutes academic prestige, which is first and foremost a top ranked and well respected medical school. So, shouldn't they kick uo out since they are no longer affiliated with OHSU? Note the article quoted in a previous response (albeit from 2014) delves into some of this: www.oregonlive.com/education/2014/06/oregon_state_more_deserving_th.html"UO was admitted to the prestigious group in 1969 but now, by its own reckoning, ranks dead-last among the nation's top public research universities on key measures such as professor-student ratios, graduation rates and winning research grants. Low state funding is a major contributor to its fall, it says. The New America Foundation agrees, noting in its report on its ranking system, that it believes UO is the weakest member of the AAU." And elsewhere in the article: "But a new study argues that, based partly on its far-higher success in scoring research grants, Oregon State University is slightly more deserving than UO to be considered among the best of the best of powerhouse universities in the U.S." Go Beavers!
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Post by bvrbred on May 7, 2024 16:15:56 GMT -8
The founding charge of the AAU was to make sure American Universities competed academically with the best in Europe. Which means the top research values were medical and classic sciences, like math, physics and chemistry. The bread and butter of what Oxford was historically known for. In 1900 nobody in Europe focused on livestock issues, or forestry management. you don't really gain classical prestige from that. To your point what is sad about the AAU, is they really haven't changed since 1900. they hold the same core belief on what constitutes academic prestige, which is first and foremost a top ranked and well respected medical school. So, shouldn't they kick uo out since they are no longer affiliated with OHSU? I'm skeptical on the extent to which the medical school in Portland was ever directly administered by the University of Oregon (as the Bend campus and Newport facility are by Oregon State) or came out of UO's budget. My understanding is the med school was originally Willamette University's, that it fell on hard times, that the Oregon legislature thought it important to continue a medical school in Portland so they took it over and renamed it University of Oregon Medical School. I suspect it was mainly stovepiped directly to the legislature, and had its own budget, from day one. UO didn't even want to sustain a law school located in Portland (which is way cheaper to maintain than a med school). For any legislature to actually take a med school away from a university would be an invitation to outcry and a big stink. Don't remember hearing anything.
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Post by bennyskid on May 7, 2024 17:03:29 GMT -8
Whatever the original intention of the founders, today membership in the AAU is a political statement having little to do with educational excellence or research heft. Santa Barbara and Stony Brook are in, Texas Tech and Baylor are out. It's an antiquated talking shop that I sincerely hope that we never pursue membership in.
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Post by lebaneaver on May 7, 2024 17:04:41 GMT -8
The U.S. News and World Report, EVERY damn year came out with their bogus, "Best College rankings,' and OSU was never represented, and only because they aren't an AAU member school.
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Post by jimbeav on May 7, 2024 17:15:17 GMT -8
Any organization that accepts uo and excludes OSU must have acceptance criteria that has absolutely nothing to do with academics.
What a joke.
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Post by escott58 on May 7, 2024 18:10:34 GMT -8
Any organization that accepts uo and excludes OSU must have acceptance criteria that has absolutely nothing to do with academics. What a joke. Unless they want fries...
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Post by seastape on May 7, 2024 20:57:18 GMT -8
Whatever the original intention of the founders, today membership in the AAU is a political statement having little to do with educational excellence or research heft. Santa Barbara and Stony Brook are in, Texas Tech and Baylor are out. It's an antiquated talking shop that I sincerely hope that we never pursue membership in. I don't know a thing about Stony Brook, but UCSB is an excellent school and deserves academic recognition.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 7, 2024 21:16:55 GMT -8
Whatever the original intention of the founders, today membership in the AAU is a political statement having little to do with educational excellence or research heft. Santa Barbara and Stony Brook are in, Texas Tech and Baylor are out. It's an antiquated talking shop that I sincerely hope that we never pursue membership in. I don't know a thing about Stony Brook, but UCSB is an excellent school and deserves academic recognition. bennyskidStony Brook is a good school, too. Not as great as UCSB but still pretty good. Santa Barbara and Stony Brook are much better schools than Baylor, Oregon State, or Texas Tech. Oregon State is a much better school than Baylor or Texas Tech. Having said that, though, the fact that Oregon State does not have a medical school is a huge strike against the Beavs. Even Baylor and Texas Tech have medical schools.
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Post by bennyskid on May 8, 2024 6:30:13 GMT -8
You have to add UCSB and Stony Brook together to get to the same level of research as OSU.
I'll admit that I was hasty in mentioning Baylor.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 8, 2024 9:11:08 GMT -8
I'm not sure OSU had achieved university status when the AAU was formed; that didn't happen until 1961. That alone may have precluded us from membership. We certainly merit it now. Stony Brook is the New York State equivalent (SUNY) of a UC university in California. Stony Brook, Albany, Buffalo, Binghamton and New Paltz are the NYS equivalents of Cal, UCLA, UCSB, UC Irvine, etc., with Buffalo generally being considered the flagship university because of its huge medical school and law school. Schools like Oneonta, Fredonia, Brockport, Potsdam, Oswego, etc., are the NYS equivalent of the CSU schools, except they play Division III athletics (there is also a Buffalo State College in addition to SUNY Buffalo; Randy Smith is their most famous athletic alum). SUNYs are not as "famous" as UCLA, etc., because A, the entire SUNY system did not exist before 1948, and B, its members did not participate in major-college athletics. Buffalo, which joined the state system in the early 1960s after existing as a private university, was the first Division I school and is the lone FBS school (MAC). Albany and Stony Brook play FCS, Binghamton and New Paltz don't play football. Cornell is a private, Ivy League university except for the small part that is controlled by the state, to fulfill the land-grant mission. The state school of forestry ("Stumpies") is associated with private Syracuse University. One of the Syracuse higher-ups was a finalist for the OSU SOF dean several years ago. There are 42 different schools in the SUNY system. www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/
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