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Post by hoopheritic on Apr 4, 2024 13:48:14 GMT -8
Here's some insight into what life in the WCC is like. Pepperdine basically plays in a high school gym: Institution | Avg Attendance | Capacity | Pct Capacity | Accum Attendance |
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Arizona | 7,333 | 14,688 | 49.93 | 110,000 | Oregon | 6,037 | 12,369 | 48.81 | 96,591 | Colorado | 5,543 | 11,064 | 50.1 | 77,597 | Gonzaga | 5,401 | 6,000 | 90.02 | 86,416 | Utah | 5,209 | 15,000 | 34.73 | 78,140 | Oregon St. | 5,156 | 9,301 | 55.43 | 103,110 | UCLA | 5,078 | 13,800 | 36.79 | 86,320 | Southern California | 4,421 | 10,258 | 43.1 | 75,162 | Stanford | 4,152 | 7,500 | 55.36 | 78,894 | Washington | 2,626 | 10,000 | 26.26 | 44,650 | Arizona St. | 1,934 | 14,198 | 13.62 | 30,949 | California | 1,639 | 11,877 | 13.8 | 34,410 | Washington St. | 1,117 | 11,671 | 9.57 | 20,113 | Pacific | 812 | 6,150 | 13.2 | 13,800 | Portland | 655 | 4,852 | 13.5 | 9,168 | San Diego | 463 | 5,100 | 9.09 | 7,878 | Saint Mary's (CA) | 377 | 3,500 | 10.77 | 6,029 | Santa Clara | 340 | 4,500 | 7.56 | 4,760 | LMU (CA) | 324 | 4,156 | 7.78 | 4,529 | San Francisco | 286 | 18,064 | 1.58 | 4,004 | Pepperdine | 150 | 3,104 | 4.84 | 2,404 |
I think USF's home court is War Memorial Gym. Without looking it up, I think capacity is 3000. I just copied this straight from the NCAA stats website.
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Post by grayman on Apr 4, 2024 13:50:21 GMT -8
In OSU's case, you sell the program overall and its recent success in particular. And recruiting as a member of the WCC is just going to be a thing for two seasons (at the most). The more holdovers on this team, the less of an issue recruiting to the WCC will be anyway.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 4, 2024 13:54:04 GMT -8
I think USF's home court is War Memorial Gym. Without looking it up, I think capacity is 3000. I just copied this straight from the NCAA stats website. They listed the Chase Center where the Warriors play. War Memorial is their home court and it seats 5,300. They must have played a few games at Chase this year.
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Post by jfobeav on Apr 4, 2024 14:20:59 GMT -8
I had mentioned the lower attendance figures of the WCC in an earlier post. To me, it represents a great opportunity to pack the smaller arenas and give Oregon State a decidedly home feel for their games in California. I am looking forward to an inexpensive flight with my family to LA and warm weather in January to support the Beavers.
A good chance to make the WCC the 5th best conference in the country. If not being a part of a football P4 conference is a death sentence, I’m wondering if the same message was given to Marquette or Creighton…or on the men’s side, the SIX teams that made the tournament from the MWC. It is a false narrative.
This year, both Portland and Gonzaga made the women’s tournament. Santa Clara beat U of O by 39 at Matthew Knight Arena. They beat Arizona State on the road and trailed Cal by 6, heading into the 4th quarter in Berkeley.
On the men’s side, Gonzaga and Saint Mary’s made the tournament. Santa Clara’s men beat the Ducks. They also beat Washington State, Stanford and Gonzaga this year. They have had first-round NBA draft picks in each of the last two years. The WCC, at least the upper half, is a pretty darn solid group.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 4, 2024 14:47:38 GMT -8
Very well thought out 93. I always have to try to remind myself that these athletes, and coaches are not exactly invested in the university like we are. They are invested in themselves first, obviously. My issue is when they talk about all the things making us feel like they are ALL IN.....and then they bail for money, or because we got hosed from P5 status. It's getting as bad as politicians.....tell em what they want to hear and do the opposite. Add in, that there is a GREAT nucleus(women's B ball) of young talent on this team.......if it falls apart like people are speculating, based on no more Pac 12.....well, for those that bail, have a nice life! Spare us the heartfelt exit speech. We will move on without you. We don't get to bail......and if you don't want to be here, we don't want you here. Exactly... folks like to toss around "Beaver for ever" BS... how many of the 1000's of former players can match the emotional/physical ties and the years of dedication to OSU to most on this board let alone 1000's of other fans. In comparison these athletes give us joy and sorrow, but they're just "visitors" I value loyalty. Leaving because we will have different competition......ok, it's your prerogative, but maybe start your goodbye post with "Sorry to give up on you Beaver Nation, but it would be beneath me to play in the WCC....
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 4, 2024 14:52:07 GMT -8
Exactly... folks like to toss around "Beaver for ever" BS... how many of the 1000's of former players can match the emotional/physical ties and the years of dedication to OSU to most on this board let alone 1000's of other fans. In comparison these athletes give us joy and sorrow, but they're just "visitors" I value loyalty. Leaving because we will have different competition......ok, it's your prerogative, but maybe start your goodbye post with "Sorry to give up on you Beaver Nation, but it would be beneath me to play in the WCC.... Or, they could just say they are atheists and the can't play in a religious league.
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Post by sweetpea on Apr 4, 2024 15:02:11 GMT -8
There really more reasons to leave than to stay for our better 5-6 players.
What would it feel like to play at Gill (with much smaller crowds than this year) and then travel to games with 300 in the stands?
A trip back to high school ball.
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Post by grayman on Apr 4, 2024 15:09:18 GMT -8
I guess when it really comes down to it I really don't see how moving to the WCC would be such a dealbreaker. I get why they wouldn't particularly care for it as far as the lesser competition and smaller gyms. But come on. Elite Eight team. No reason not to believe a good seed and another good run in the NCAA Tournament would await them should they all stay. Isn't that what it's all really about? TV? Maybe a little bit but I'm just not sure regular season games come even remotely close to tourney games in viewership. Maybe they see the whole thing as just more disrespect for women's hoops but I'm not sure there was a viable option elsewhere. What do you do, offer the Big Ten or Big 12 a boatload of money to take in the basketball programs?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 4, 2024 15:13:21 GMT -8
There really more reasons to leave than to stay for our better 5-6 players. What would it feel like to play at Gill (with much smaller crowds than this year) and then travel to games with 300 in the stands? A trip back to high school ball. Didn't appear to bother the Gonzaga women this year. Why would the home crowds decrease? Worry about what you can control. Win games and get to the NCAA tournament. Just like GU did. "I left an intact Elite 8 team because the one time all year we played at Pacific they only drew 350 fans" sound like a pretty lame reason to me.
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Post by 93beav on Apr 4, 2024 16:58:58 GMT -8
There really more reasons to leave than to stay for our better 5-6 players. What would it feel like to play at Gill (with much smaller crowds than this year) and then travel to games with 300 in the stands? A trip back to high school ball. Didn't appear to bother the Gonzaga women this year. Why would the home crowds decrease? Worry about what you can control. Win games and get to the NCAA tournament. Just like GU did. "I left an intact Elite 8 team because the one time all year we played at Pacific they only drew 350 fans" sound like a pretty lame reason to me. I think it's more I left because I got no exposure and didn't get the respect from scouts, etc because I was playing against lesser competition. There's something to be said that IF we blew through the WCC, it was less meaningful than playing Pac-12 competition each week. Also, NIL. You know, if you would just chip in 5 of your 50 million dollar retirement, this problem would be solved!
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 4, 2024 18:15:15 GMT -8
These aren't "employees" I need to keep my company afloat as much here seem to think. In no way am I ever wasting a $ of my contributions to OSU to "pay" an athlete to stay! If I have to pay them then they don't truly want to be here and can just leave the next year. It may be the way of college sports... for the vast minority of D1 teams... but, personally not one of my $ will ever go to an NIL.
And, you know what? OSU will still field teams. They will be highly successful (maybe not by some of your definitions). I will still attend home, and as many away contests as I feel I can make. And, I don't give an eff what conference OSU has membership.
A whole separate conversation/realization some need to process... OSU is never going to be on the "elite" stage as a AD no matter what P4 conference some want us to join. OSU has their "years", and certainly baseball has broken the rules for cold weather schools. BUT... baseball is a niche sport... loses money more than it ever makes, and it will always be so. There is pride in lots of out programs, and there should be no matter where they end up playing. I just have to wonder if folks truly think OSU with $50, 60+ mil in TV dollars in the B12, B10 really becomes anything more than Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, West Virginia, UCF, Minnesota, etc when you look overall success. Will more money, saying we're "Power 4", and then struggling mightily (in the two major programs for sure!) make folks feel better??
Some here are chastising players for thinking (supposedly) the WCC is beneath them. Others chastise P4 schools for being money grabbing whores. Followed by posts of wanting to join the brothel because the WCC and MWC sucks!! Makes sense....
That said, I'm all for OSU... who ever fills the rosters and where ever, whomever they play.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 4, 2024 21:07:13 GMT -8
Didn't appear to bother the Gonzaga women this year. Why would the home crowds decrease? Worry about what you can control. Win games and get to the NCAA tournament. Just like GU did. "I left an intact Elite 8 team because the one time all year we played at Pacific they only drew 350 fans" sound like a pretty lame reason to me. I think it's more I left because I got no exposure and didn't get the respect from scouts, etc because I was playing against lesser competition. There's something to be said that IF we blew through the WCC, it was less meaningful than playing Pac-12 competition each week. Also, NIL. You know, if you would just chip in 5 of your 50 million dollar retirement, this problem would be solved! If you can play, "scouts" will find you, whether you're in the WCC or the Pac-12. Jonquel Jones, the 2021 WNBA MVP, played at George Washington. Elene Della Donne played at Delaware. And I don't think Portland's players felt they were any less worthy champions for winning the WCC than USC's did for winning the Pac-12. And if I did have $5 million to give, it would be to program enhancement and facility upgrades, not NIL to someone who already has a full scholarship and a cost of attendance stipend.
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Post by grayman on Apr 4, 2024 21:43:40 GMT -8
These aren't "employees" I need to keep my company afloat as much here seem to think. In no way am I ever wasting a $ of my contributions to OSU to "pay" an athlete to stay! If I have to pay them then they don't truly want to be here and can just leave the next year. It may be the way of college sports... for the vast minority of D1 teams... but, personally not one of my $ will ever go to an NIL. And, you know what? OSU will still field teams. They will be highly successful (maybe not by some of your definitions). I will still attend home, and as many away contests as I feel I can make. And, I don't give an eff what conference OSU has membership. A whole separate conversation/realization some need to process... OSU is never going to be on the "elite" stage as a AD no matter what P4 conference some want us to join. OSU has their "years", and certainly baseball has broken the rules for cold weather schools. BUT... baseball is a niche sport... loses money more than it ever makes, and it will always be so. There is pride in lots of out programs, and there should be no matter where they end up playing. I just have to wonder if folks truly think OSU with $50, 60+ mil in TV dollars in the B12, B10 really becomes anything more than Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Indiana, West Virginia, UCF, Minnesota, etc when you look overall success. Will more money, saying we're "Power 4", and then struggling mightily (in the two major programs for sure!) make folks feel better?? Some here are chastising players for thinking (supposedly) the WCC is beneath them. Others chastise P4 schools for being money grabbing whores. Followed by posts of wanting to join the brothel because the WCC and MWC sucks!! Makes sense.... That said, I'm all for OSU... who ever fills the rosters and where ever, whomever they play. I've never met an Oregon State fan that thought the Beavers were elite overall in athletics. And the reality is few universities really are. But the baseball program is elite and you could make an argument for wbb under Rueck and maybe men's soccer is getting there. As far as the big one, football, I think the Beavers did quite well under Erickson, Riley and Smith, winning pretty consistently despite being perceived as an underdog as far as status. Maybe some of us think that's a great thing. OSU has been in a "power" conference for a long time and was doing just fine. There's no factual evidence that continuing on with a lot less money if they drop down from what was power status is magically going to be just fine for everyone.
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