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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 31, 2024 12:15:48 GMT -8
Since someone in the game thread made a case for this year's team being the best of the Rueck era, I thought I'd lay out my comparison.
2016
32-5 (16-2).
Pac-12 Regular Season Champion.
Pac-12 Tournament Champion.
#2 Final poll ranking.
2024
27-8 (12-6)
Pac-12 4th Regular Season
Pac-12 Tournament Semifinals
Final poll ranking TBD (likely top 10)
Lineups [Going with end of season starters].
PG
2016 Sydney Wiese.
2024 Donovyn Hunter
Got to go with Wiese. Much more of a scoring threat. More experienced.
2G
2016 Jamie Weisner
2024 Talia von Oelhoffen
Weisner. Pac-12 POY. Inside/outside/midrange threat. Tenacious defender. Tough as NAILS. TVO is outstanding but I can't give her the edge over Jamie.
Wing
2016 Gabriella Hanson
2024 AJ Marotte.
Hanson. More of a scoring threat and a lock-down defender.
SF
2016 Deven Hunter
2024 Timea Gardiner
Advantage Timea. On all counts. Although Deven had a very strong all-around game.
C
2016 Ruth Hamblin
2024 Raegan Beers.
To me this is a tie. Ruth better on D, Rae better on O. Ruth was simply intimidating on D. After looking at some of the 2016 videos recently I'd kind of forgotten how tough, agile and quick she was in the post. I think the recency bias might work against Ruth a little (even though it's only 8 years ago)
Bench
2016. Breanna Brown, Samantha Siegner, Hunter, Katie McWilliams, Kolbie Orum, Marie Gulich, Jen Hill, Taylor Kalmer.
2024. Kelsey Rees, Sela Heide, Adlee Blacklock, Lily Hansford, Dominika Paurova, Kennedie Shuler, Martha Pietsch.
Tough call. I think the scoring power of the 2024 bench is better so I'll go with '24.
Verdict.
Arguably the 2 best teams of the Rueck era (2015 and 2017 Pac-12 champion teams notwithstanding). But 2016 was more experienced, won more big games and has the trophies and nets to prove it. In a hypothetical (in other words ridiculous) time-travel game would I take '16 over '24? Yes I would.
Can't wait for 2025!!
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Post by ftd on Mar 31, 2024 12:17:20 GMT -8
Quick Call Doc Brown...
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 31, 2024 12:25:20 GMT -8
I thought this team was also somewhat similar to the 2018 team led by Gulich. Both teams were relatively young, led by a post player surrounded by shooters, expectations were fairly low (I don’t recall the exacy expectations for the 2018 team), but both made it to the Elite 8.
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Post by grayman on Mar 31, 2024 12:58:16 GMT -8
Since someone in the game thread made a case for this year's team being the best of the Rueck era, I thought I'd lay out my comparison. 201632-5 (16-2). Pac-12 Regular Season Champion. Pac-12 Tournament Champion. #2 Final poll ranking. 202427-8 (12-6) Pac-12 4th Regular Season Pac-12 Tournament Semifinals Final poll ranking TBD (likely top 10) Lineups [Going with end of season starters].
PG2016 Sydney Wiese. 2024 Donovyn Hunter Got to go with Wiese. Much more of a scoring threat. More experienced. 2G2016 Jamie Weisner 2024 Talia von Oelhoffen Weisner. Pac-12 POY. Inside/outside/midrange threat. Tenacious defender. Tough as NAILS. TVO is outstanding but I can't give her the edge over Jamie. Wing2016 Gabriella Hanson 2024 AJ Marotte. Hanson. More of a scoring threat and a lock-down defender. SF2016 Samantha Siegner 2024 Timea Gardiner Advantage Timea. On all counts. Although Sam was a lot tougher competitor than some might recall. C2016 Ruth Hamblin 2024 Raegan Beers. To me this is a tie. Ruth better on D, Rae better on O. Ruth was simply intimidating on D. After looking at some of the 2016 videos recently I'd kind of forgotten how tough, agile and quick she was in the post. I think the recency bias might work against Ruth a little (even though it's only 8 years ago) Bench2016. Breanna Brown, Deven Hunter, Katie McWilliams, Kolbie Orum, Marie Gulich, Jen Hill, Taylor Kalmer. 2024. Kelsey Rees, Sela Heide, Adlee Blacklock, Lily Hansford, Dominika Paurova, Kennedie Shuler, Martha Pietsch. Tough call. I think the scoring power of the 2024 bench is better so I'll go with '24. Verdict.Arguably the 2 best teams of the Rueck era (2015 and 2017 Pac-12 champion teams notwithstanding). But 2016 was more experienced, won more big games and has the trophies and nets to prove it. In a hypothetical (in other words ridiculous) time-travel game would I take '16 over '24? Yes I would. Can't wait for 2025!! The only part I would disagree a little on would be Beers vs. Hamblin. Beers, as a sophomore, had 17.5 points a game to Hamblin's 11.8 as a senior. Beers had 10.3 rebounds a game to Hamblin's 10.0, so that's a push. So Beers is definitely the bigger offensive threat and they are equal rebounders. On defense, Hamblin blocked more shots but that's not what Rueck wants out of Beers (at least it's not a priority). I would argue that Beers is the more athletic big of the two and probably faced more top level bigs this season than Hamblin did, though I haven't gone through the 2016 opponents on that. But definitely an interesting comparison. |
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Post by osu82 on Mar 31, 2024 13:14:23 GMT -8
I thought this team was also somewhat similar to the 2018 team led by Gulich. Both teams were relatively young, led by a post player surrounded by shooters, expectations were fairly low (I don’t recall the exacy expectations for the 2018 team), but both made it to the Elite 8. Probably the closest comparison. You could make the argument that the 2018 EE team had a more impressive run to get there, as a 6 seed playing on the road, knocking off Tennessee on their home floor and then Baylor on a 30 game win streak.🤷♂️ |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 31, 2024 13:40:52 GMT -8
I do think that 2016 would have had some trouble with the 2024 opponents, as I think this team was better at handling on-ball pressure, and we saw a lot of it.
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Post by beav74 on Mar 31, 2024 17:29:06 GMT -8
Deven Hunter started way more games than Sam Seigner. Would still take Gardiner over both of them.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 31, 2024 17:45:06 GMT -8
Deven Hunter started way more games than Sam Seigner. Would still take Gardiner over both of them. You're quite right. In fact Sam started zero games that season while Deven started all 37! My apologies to Deven (hope she's not reading this board) she was one of my favorites and a 3-time Pac-12 champion. Looking at the '16 stats Deven averaged 21.5 mpg while Marie G averaged 15.1 and Siegner averaged 13.5. |
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Post by jimbob on Mar 31, 2024 18:03:21 GMT -8
Since someone in the game thread made a case for this year's team being the best of the Rueck era, I thought I'd lay out my comparison. 201632-5 (16-2). Pac-12 Regular Season Champion. Pac-12 Tournament Champion. #2 Final poll ranking. 202427-8 (12-6) Pac-12 4th Regular Season Pac-12 Tournament Semifinals Final poll ranking TBD (likely top 10) Lineups [Going with end of season starters].
PG2016 Sydney Wiese. 2024 Donovyn Hunter Got to go with Wiese. Much more of a scoring threat. More experienced. 2G2016 Jamie Weisner 2024 Talia von Oelhoffen Weisner. Pac-12 POY. Inside/outside/midrange threat. Tenacious defender. Tough as NAILS. TVO is outstanding but I can't give her the edge over Jamie. Wing2016 Gabriella Hanson 2024 AJ Marotte. Hanson. More of a scoring threat and a lock-down defender. SF2016 Samantha Siegner 2024 Timea Gardiner Advantage Timea. On all counts. Although Sam was a lot tougher competitor than some might recall. C2016 Ruth Hamblin 2024 Raegan Beers. To me this is a tie. Ruth better on D, Rae better on O. Ruth was simply intimidating on D. After looking at some of the 2016 videos recently I'd kind of forgotten how tough, agile and quick she was in the post. I think the recency bias might work against Ruth a little (even though it's only 8 years ago) Bench2016. Breanna Brown, Deven Hunter, Katie McWilliams, Kolbie Orum, Marie Gulich, Jen Hill, Taylor Kalmer. 2024. Kelsey Rees, Sela Heide, Adlee Blacklock, Lily Hansford, Dominika Paurova, Kennedie Shuler, Martha Pietsch. Tough call. I think the scoring power of the 2024 bench is better so I'll go with '24. Verdict.Arguably the 2 best teams of the Rueck era (2015 and 2017 Pac-12 champion teams notwithstanding). But 2016 was more experienced, won more big games and has the trophies and nets to prove it. In a hypothetical (in other words ridiculous) time-travel game would I take '16 over '24? Yes I would. Can't wait for 2025!! Agree with most of your thoughts and your final conclusion, but for me RB gets the overall nod over Ruth and it's not even close in my book---The only thing Ruth was better at was blocking shots and actually RB is a surprisingly good shot blocker in her own right. RB's hands are so much better than Ruth's ever were and RB's offensive game is way better than Ruth's ever was. The other minor difference is that I would give the edge to the 2016 bench which included 5 future top notch starters for the Beavers in Breanna Brown, Deven Hunter, Katie McWilliams, Kolbie Orum, and Marie Gulich. I only see 2 possible future starters on the 2024 bench---Dom and possibly Lily. |
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 31, 2024 18:35:44 GMT -8
I thought this team was also somewhat similar to the 2018 team led by Gulich. Both teams were relatively young, led by a post player surrounded by shooters, expectations were fairly low (I don’t recall the exacy expectations for the 2018 team), but both made it to the Elite 8. Overall record and more were similar between these two teams. I thought the in season growth of the two were very similar, and although very different players, Marie and Raegan had similar stats and team leadership. |
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Post by ihatetheducks on Mar 31, 2024 18:43:44 GMT -8
My two cents, Beers much better player than Ruth, who I liked a lot. Beers handled Cordosa very well today and kept her under 50% from the field today. My guess that’s a first this year. Ruth was a great shot blocker but I think Cordosa would have dominated Ruth. I was very impressed with Beers’s defense today.
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Post by greybeav on Apr 2, 2024 7:16:56 GMT -8
Thanks Werebeaver for the effort and sparking an interesting discussion.
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