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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 29, 2024 10:11:42 GMT -8
Too many guys worried about their launch angle, bat path and swing thoughts. There’s an old saying as a hitter “ either you are hunting the pitcher or he is hunting you “. You let a pitcher dictate the game and you lose. A simple high school level adjustment to soft stuff in to get in the front inside corner of the batter’s box. Makes the soft stuff away closer to the barrel and you can cut off the ball before it breaks down and away. Also you dare the pitcher to beat you inside half of the plate with fastballs. The guy last night didn’t have the gas for that. These adjustments make you a proactive hitter rather than just standing there and taking it. Beavers better figure it out fast because last night’s scouting report will spread through the league like a wildfire
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Post by easyheat on Mar 29, 2024 10:43:42 GMT -8
Yes - Moving up in the box reduces the bite time of a breaking ball by about 18" which matters. Same with getting the bunt down, move up and give yourself more fair territory to work with.
A possible downside is moving up and being prepared to see a 102 mph fastball....or a 91 mph slider from Paul Skenes.
I think we could also adjust our batting order. We could use more production from our DH hitting in the 4-hole.In the last 8 games since PAC play began, our DH is 4-27 (.148) with 14 of those 27 at bats ending in a strike out, 10 on called 3rd strikes. A K rate of 52% is problematical. There is some credit due for 8 walks and a HBP.
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 29, 2024 12:44:31 GMT -8
Yes - Moving up in the box reduces the bite time of a breaking ball by about 18" which matters. Same with getting the bunt down, move up and give yourself more fair territory to work with. A possible downside is moving up and being prepared to see a 102 mph fastball....or a 91 mph slider from Paul Skenes. I think we could also adjust our batting order. We could use more production from our DH hitting in the 4-hole.In the last 8 games since PAC play began, our DH is 4-27 (.148) with 14 of those 27 at bats ending in a strike out, 10 on called 3rd strikes. A K rate of 52% is problematical. There is some credit due for 8 walks and a HBP. the moving up adjustment was just for this particular situation, for Skenes I would try to stand behind the umpire |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 29, 2024 12:54:14 GMT -8
Yes - Moving up in the box reduces the bite time of a breaking ball by about 18" which matters. Same with getting the bunt down, move up and give yourself more fair territory to work with. A possible downside is moving up and being prepared to see a 102 mph fastball....or a 91 mph slider from Paul Skenes. I think we could also adjust our batting order. We could use more production from our DH hitting in the 4-hole.In the last 8 games since PAC play began, our DH is 4-27 (.148) with 14 of those 27 at bats ending in a strike out, 10 on called 3rd strikes. A K rate of 52% is problematical. There is some credit due for 8 walks and a HBP. the moving up adjustment was just for this particular situation, for Skenes I would try to stand behind the umpire Almost every elite hitter and instructor will not teach moving in the box. Hitting is about innate timing. Moving up or back indicates a weakness, and then involves guessing. Are you going to move by pitch? Move overall then create another "hole"? Timing, weight distribution/balance, staying inside, and letting a ball travel are the keys to hitting. Using the opposite side of the diamond comes from being to do that in every pitch location. Breaking balls that are in the zone are in the zone no matter where you stand. Hitters just need to let the ball travel. Hitters thrive on consistency in their approach... moving around by pitcher isn't that. OSU had a terrible day at the plate. They'll have others. But, it's poor timing, poor balance. Moving doesn't fix that. In fact it can accentuate it mentally. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2024 14:17:48 GMT -8
Yes - Moving up in the box reduces the bite time of a breaking ball by about 18" which matters. Same with getting the bunt down, move up and give yourself more fair territory to work with. A possible downside is moving up and being prepared to see a 102 mph fastball....or a 91 mph slider from Paul Skenes. I think we could also adjust our batting order. We could use more production from our DH hitting in the 4-hole.In the last 8 games since PAC play began, our DH is 4-27 (.148) with 14 of those 27 at bats ending in a strike out, 10 on called 3rd strikes. A K rate of 52% is problematical. There is some credit due for 8 walks and a HBP. Who was it with the poor bunt attempts last night? I guess we're spending more time practicing home run swings than laying down a quality bunt. Sigh. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2024 14:48:39 GMT -8
Yikes lol
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 29, 2024 15:43:46 GMT -8
Meh, it's baseball. Tip your cap to the USC staff. Tonight we will probly score 15 runs
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Post by RenoBeaver on Mar 29, 2024 15:48:02 GMT -8
Kids kids kids...its just one game.
97 years ago the Yankees lost to the lowly Chicago White Sox. Ruth and Gehrig combined to go 1 for 7. The team kniwn as Murderers Row managed just 7 hits. 5 months later they won the world series and went down in history as arguably the best Yankees team ever.
Go Beavs!
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Post by 93beav on Mar 29, 2024 16:53:59 GMT -8
Better to figure it out now than in Omaha.
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Post by easyheat on Mar 30, 2024 19:56:11 GMT -8
Almost every elite hitter and instructor will not teach moving in the box. Hitting is about innate timing. Moving up or back indicates a weakness, and then involves guessing. Are you going to move by pitch? Move overall then create another "hole"?
Hitting instructors generally agree on the basics of hitting but often vary widely in their teaching in some aspects of hitting. Making a small adjustment in the box is one of them. Hitters that struggle with being jammed for example can adjust with a minor move off the plate as long as plate coverage is maintained. Moving up allows the hitter to get the big breaking ball early in the break as opposed to catching the full amount of the arc.
Making an adjustment during an at bat isn't a bad thing if it contributes to better contact. Against an 81 mph "sweeper" thrown by Bridger Holmes, I might consider trying to catch that early in the movement. I've had some good hitting instructors, but am not familiar with any "Elite hitting instructors. I do know that Charlie Lau and Walt Hryniak differed in their approach.
Timing, weight distribution/balance, staying inside, and letting a ball travel are the keys to hitting. Using the opposite side of the diamond comes from being to do that in every pitch location.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with relocation in the batters box, and how many high school or collegians for that matter, can take a 95 mph fastball on the inner half to the opposite field? You are generalizing a skill that is more frequently seen in pro ball.
Breaking balls that are in the zone are in the zone no matter where you stand. Hitters just need to let the ball travel. Hitters thrive on consistency in their approach... moving around by pitcher isn't that
My experience with breaking balls is their location entering the zone differs (sometimes dramatically) from the location they exit the zone. So yes, they may be in the zone but in different locations of the zone - or in the case of Hjerpe, Lattery and now Holmes, they can be strikes that end up a foot outside of the zone.
As far as consistency is concerned, what really changes? Same setup, same stance. same swing. I'm not changing anything other than a relocation in the box. Do you advocate moving up to bunt?
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 30, 2024 20:13:43 GMT -8
Almost every elite hitter and instructor will not teach moving in the box. Hitting is about innate timing. Moving up or back indicates a weakness, and then involves guessing. Are you going to move by pitch? Move overall then create another "hole"? Hitting instructors generally agree on the basics of hitting but often vary widely in their teaching in some aspects of hitting. Making a small adjustment in the box is one of them. Hitters that struggle with being jammed for example can adjust with a minor move off the plate as long as plate coverage is maintained. Moving up allows the hitter to get the big breaking ball early in the break as opposed to catching the full amount of the arc. Making an adjustment during an at bat isn't a bad thing if it contributes to better contact. Against an 81 mph "sweeper" thrown by Bridger Holmes, I might consider trying to catch that early in the movement. I've had some good hitting instructors, but am not familiar with any "Elite hitting instructors. I do know that Charlie Lau and Walt Hryniak differed in their approach. Timing, weight distribution/balance, staying inside, and letting a ball travel are the keys to hitting. Using the opposite side of the diamond comes from being to do that in every pitch location. Yes, but that has nothing to do with relocation in the batters box, and how many high school or collegians for that matter, can take a 95 mph fastball on the inner half to the opposite field? You are generalizing a skill that is more frequently seen in pro ball. Breaking balls that are in the zone are in the zone no matter where you stand. Hitters just need to let the ball travel. Hitters thrive on consistency in their approach... moving around by pitcher isn't that My experience with breaking balls is their location entering the zone differs (sometimes dramatically) from the location they exit the zone. So yes, they may be in the zone but in different locations of the zone - or in the case of Hjerpe, Lattery and now Holmes, they can be strikes that end up a foot outside of the zone. As far as consistency is concerned, what really changes? Same setup, same stance. same swing. I'm not changing anything other than a relocation in the box. Do you advocate moving up to bunt? Now its minor vs the moving up in the box that was the OP. Every hitter is constantly making tiny adjustments without creating severe changes/consistency. And, also there was zero mention of instructors, let alone of then teaching the same exact things. However, instructors don't teach moving around the box by pitcher or pitch. That was the basis of the topic/response. Not, how instruction may vary. You've obviously not been to many advanced camps, clinics, or taught advanced hitters. Or you'd know box positioning for bunting is not remotely the same as moving around the box being a hitter! Right? So, why is that even mentioned? Two vastly different intentions and skills. Mph or movement doesn't change the constants of hitting. Nor does it allow you to predetermined what pitch is coming. So according to you the hitter moves by guessing? Or does he just create a new "hole" by moving for a certain ouch type? The plate is 7 balls wide, it doesn't move, nor does the strike zone in terms of where a hitter stands. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 30, 2024 21:08:17 GMT -8
A lot of angst over two losses. I'd hate to think what would happen to this board if we had a real losing streak, like five or six in a row.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 30, 2024 22:23:20 GMT -8
A lot of angst over two losses. I'd hate to think what would happen to this board if we had a real losing streak, like five or six in a row. In the past 20 seasons, Oregon State has only had three five-game losing streaks: 2011, 2016, and 2020. Oregon State only had one six-game losing streak, the one in 2010. Oregon State has had great seasons with four-game losing streaks (2007). But five or six is usually a very bad sign. I remember everyone freaking out in 2018 about losing five of nine (lost two games, won one, lost a game, won three, and lost two more all in the four games before and five games after Easter). And we had the excellent excuse that Nick Madrigal was still rehabbing. But there was still a bunch of nonsense about pretty much every player on the team. Bizarre when it happens pretty much every single year. |
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 31, 2024 8:12:00 GMT -8
A lot of angst over two losses. I'd hate to think what would happen to this board if we had a real losing streak, like five or six in a row. In the past 20 seasons, Oregon State has only had three five-game losing streaks: 2011, 2016, and 2020. Oregon State only had one six-game losing streak, the one in 2010. Oregon State has had great seasons with four-game losing streaks (2007). But five or six is usually a very bad sign. I remember everyone freaking out in 2018 about losing five of nine (lost two games, won one, lost a game, won three, and lost two more all in the four games before and five games after Easter). And we had the excellent excuse that Nick Madrigal was still rehabbing. But there was still a bunch of nonsense about pretty much every player on the team. Bizarre when it happens pretty much every single year. Really. We should save our complaints for Tinkle and that s%#tshow. High expectations for baseball, hopefully, will never fall to that level of acceptance that we have for terrible basketball. |
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Post by easyheat on Mar 31, 2024 11:23:42 GMT -8
No angst here, just fun and games with our resident baseball authority.
Your quote, “ Almost every elite hitter and instructor will not teach moving in the box.”
You've obviously not been to many advanced camps, clinics, or taught advanced hitters. Or you'd know box positioning for bunting is not remotely the same as moving around the box being a hitter! Right? So, why is that even mentioned? Two vastly different intentions and skills.
Your assumptions are mind boggling and who advocated moving from pitch to pitch? Again, you're making quantum leaps with the message which was simply, move up on a junker. FWIW, I’ve done all of the above but I don’t consider that anything unusual or something to brag about.
Mph or movement doesn't change the constants of hitting. Nor does it allow you to predetermined what pitch is coming. So according to you the hitter moves by guessing? Or does he just create a new "hole" by moving for a certain ouch type? The plate is 7 balls wide, it doesn't move, nor does the strike zone in terms of where a hitter stands.
When you face Bridger Holmes or Joey Mundt, you are going to see a slider. That is not predetermination or guessing, that is fact. There isn’t any guessing involved. You are not creating a hole, the zone isn’t moving and neither is the strike zone – any other baseball wisdom you care to share?
Finally coach, you hit with your eyes and last time I checked, your eyes travel with you. Move up!
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