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Post by easyheat on Jan 10, 2024 16:45:21 GMT -8
The mighty Beaver baseball machine has two in Perfect Game's top-75 college freshman playing this spring..
Trent Caraway is the #6 ranked frosh
Leif Palmer is the #20 ranked frosh
"recruiting is the life blood of the program"
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 11, 2024 8:20:38 GMT -8
2 of the top 20!
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Post by easyheat on Jan 11, 2024 22:24:25 GMT -8
A breakdown of RPG's Top-75 freshman includes 10 from the PAC-12 Conference. The Beavers had the two top-20 players with #6 3B Trent Caraway and #20 RHP Leif Palmer. Stanford also placed two with #13 RHP Joey Volchko and # 22 RHP Aiden Keenan. Oregon placed one player, #33 RHP Cole Stokes.
UCLA's #1 ranked national recruiting class placed 5 players on the list, led by #2 SS Rich Cholowsky, #16 SS Roman Martin, #26 RHP Justin Lee, #41 OF Grant Gray, and #66 OF Dean West.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 14, 2024 14:57:34 GMT -8
D-1 Baseball just ranked OSU as #8 freshman class nationally.
a few highlights:
Trent Caraway (No. 21 by Prep Baseball) is the third-highest ranked player to make it to campus in this class. This caliber of player doesn’t often get through the draft. He will start the season at third base but the defensive chops work at shortstop also. Caraway’s bat speed stands out and he also plays with his hair on fire.
Six-foot-6 righthander Laif Palmer brings unique arm talent and he may throw 100 mph some day.
Eric Segura is a California native with a plus changeup and pitchability that could merit a spot in the rotation.
Righthander Drew Talavs runs his fastball up to 96 ...........
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 15, 2024 11:41:04 GMT -8
The just completed Freshman Class Rankings on D-1 Baseball reveal UCLA at #2 Class nationally, with nine Top 150 recruits. They are the only PAC-12 program ranked ahead of OSU (#8 ranked incoming freshman class). Stanford at #12. It's beyond exciting that players like Turley (last season) and now Caraway decide to play at OSU instead going to pro ball right out of HS. Does it seem like UCLA's recruiting classes are almost always very highly ranked? At any rate, UCLA's results are 'middling': their PAC-12 conference season finishes since the 2020 Covid year are: 4th 2021, 3rd 2022, and 7th 2023. |
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Post by easyheat on Jan 15, 2024 12:30:00 GMT -8
UCLA should have top recruiting classes annually and for several reasons. First they are located in the heart of southern California with mega millions living within 150 miles of Westwood. Second, UCLA has a beautiful campus and a vibrant social life. Third, they are an acclaimed academic institution. Fourth, they have a good baseball history and John Savage is considered a good coach by his peers (especially with pitchers). So, all things considered, they have a lot to offer.
What they don't have is OSU's baseball "culture", three national championships, the impressive level of player development that OSU has, nor do they have Mitch Canham and our coaching staff. OSU also has a beautiful campus and a good education to go with it.
So, why doesn't every great prospect head for Corvallis instead of Westwood? Because it's close to home and family/friends can attend every home game, the warmer-dry weather, and their girlfriend is going to UCLA. Really, most of the same reason Northwest kids go to Oregon State. The difference is, we recruit from an Oregon population base of 4.3 million, they recruit an area that is 5 or 6 times that. UCLA has a huge numbers advantage.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 15, 2024 12:55:23 GMT -8
The just completed Freshman Class Rankings on D-1 Baseball reveal UCLA at #2 Class nationally, with nine Top 150 recruits. They are the only PAC-12 program ranked ahead of OSU (#8 ranked incoming freshman class). Stanford at #12. It's beyond exciting that players like Turley (last season) and now Caraway decide to play at OSU instead going to pro ball right out of HS. Does it seem like UCLA's recruiting classes are almost always very highly ranked? At any rate, UCLA's results are 'middling': their PAC-12 conference season finishes since the 2020 Covid year are: 4th 2021, 3rd 2022, and 7th 2023. I sort of agree, but recruiting rankings are far from a exact science. Some kids turn out as expected others don't. Rankings aren't any guarantee of success. And, injuries are the negating factor as UCLA can attest. UCLA & Savage are a superior type program. OSU should strive to schedule them and Stanford every season. '21 UCLA better record 37-20 vs 37-24, both OSU & UCLA lose in Regionals. Most would say NC regional better than DBU?! '22 UCLA 40-24, (and that was with 10 being drafted off the '21 team)loser in Auburn Regional. OSU 48-18, squeaks by a home regional, lose at home to Auburn. With UCLA winning 3 of 5 head to head with OSU. Most here were very happy not to see UCLA advance to Corvallis. '23 UCLA very down year at 28-24, no postseason. But, for a few seasons they've battled a abnormal bunch of injuries. At one time having every infielder out for parts/end of season. Plus Gage Jump (TJ) from end of '22 all of '23 and Hurd off to LSU. OSU was indeed 41-20 but lost in LSU Regional. *And, FWIW, in 2020 before the season was lost UCLA was 13-2, OSU 5-9 Pac12... '21-23 UCLA 18-12,19-11, 12-16-1 Overall: 49-39-1 OSU 16-14, 20-10, 18-12 Overall: 54-36 H to H... I think it's 6-5 UCLA Savage has done a remarkable job with all the injuries. Recruiting class ranking or not it does show how these classes built depth to sustain even at this level. In '22 alone their (4) best arms... Brooks, Hurd, Karros, Jump... all were injured. And yet, with a bunch of inexperienced guys get Thursday & Friday wins at Goss. Weird, but maybe UCLA needs to look into their training methods. It seems the baseball and WBB programs are hit with far more injuries in the past few years than most programs?? |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 15, 2024 15:56:41 GMT -8
UCLA PAC-12 conference season finishes since the 2020 Covid year are: 4th 2021, 3rd 2022, and 7th 2023. I sort of agree, but recruiting rankings are far from a exact science. Some kids turn out as expected others don't. Rankings aren't any guarantee of success. And, injuries are the negating factor as UCLA can attest. UCLA & Savage are a superior type program. OSU should strive to schedule them and Stanford every season. '21 UCLA better record 37-20 vs 37-24, both OSU & UCLA lose in Regionals. Most would say NC regional better than DBU?! '22 UCLA 40-24, (and that was with 10 being drafted off the '21 team)loser in Auburn Regional. OSU 48-18, squeaks by a home regional, lose at home to Auburn. With UCLA winning 3 of 5 head to head with OSU. Most here were very happy not to see UCLA advance to Corvallis. '23 UCLA very down year at 28-24, no postseason. But, for a few seasons they've battled a abnormal bunch of injuries. At one time having every infielder out for parts/end of season. Plus Gage Jump (TJ) from end of '22 all of '23 and Hurd off to LSU. OSU was indeed 41-20 but lost in LSU Regional. *And, FWIW, in 2020 before the season was lost UCLA was 13-2, OSU 5-9 Pac12... '21-23 UCLA 18-12,19-11, 12-16-1 Overall: 49-39-1 OSU 16-14, 20-10, 18-12 Overall: 54-36 H to H... I think it's 6-5 UCLA Savage has done a remarkable job with all the injuries. Recruiting class ranking or not it does show how these classes built depth to sustain even at this level. In '22 alone their (4) best arms... Brooks, Hurd, Karros, Jump... all were injured. And yet, with a bunch of inexperienced guys get Thursday & Friday wins at Goss. Weird, but maybe UCLA needs to look into their training methods. It seems the baseball and WBB programs are hit with far more injuries in the past few years than most programs?? Agreed - Excellent analysis. UCLA's injury situation has certainly been brutal. And indeed head to head, it's been fairly even lately, with a slight + to UCLA However, looking ONLY at PAC-12 Conference Season final position (which to me is the most important yardstick, other than post-season performance)..... UCLA: 4th 2021, 3rd 2022, and 7th 2023. OSU: 5th 2021, 2rd 2022, and 2th 2023. Overall season record can be somewhat skewed for colleges in warm climates. They typically get a first month 'bonus' of being able to start out at home for extended periods. For example U. Az last season played their first 15 games in the State of Arizona. They were 12-3 at that point. Finished the season 33-26. Anyway, this sort of college baseball chat is great, and it gets a bit more exciting as I realize that it's basically only 1 month before first pitch. |
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Post by easyheat on Jan 15, 2024 21:41:06 GMT -8
Player and class rankings have one redeeming virtue - they are the best measure we have of a player or class available other than those we have seen with our eyes. With the advent of modern technology, baseball sites can now do a fairly accurate job of quantifying a player's physical skills as part of their rating methodology. The baseball recruiting websites measure prospects at Tournaments and Showcase events. The height, weight and speed data is recorded and accurate when entered into their respective data bases. With the advanced high speed camera technology available from firms like Rapsodo, Eagle Eye and Edgetronic, along with Visual Edge and Trackman systems, they record 30-60-90 foot speed and a 60 yard dash time with a mph metric for top-end running speed. Batting skills are recorded in 24 different measurements and pitching data is produced with 26 different measurements. Defense is not measured beyond fielding statistics and subjective analysis. Advanced Analytics and technology have moved player ratings closer to the truth but several key factors are not considered by the baseball website folks.
"Makeup" is an important component of every MLB scouting report but is not a consideration of the player and by extension, class rankings on the various websites. Things like "Baseball I.Q", attitude towards the game and teammates, mental toughness, dedication to the game, love of competition, coachability, and others that are so important in determining a players true value. Recruiting strong character has been a hallmark with Beaver baseball in their recruiting approach. . . so, yes Rankings are no guarantee of success. If you ask a coach about how good his class is? he will tell you . . . "ask me that in 3 or 4 years and I'll tell you".
Coaches will tell you - "the fastest way to get fired is to start recruiting off some rankings list you found on a website".
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 16, 2024 11:57:45 GMT -8
UCLA should have top recruiting classes annually and for several reasons. First they are located in the heart of southern California with mega millions living within 150 miles of Westwood. Second, UCLA has a beautiful campus and a vibrant social life. Third, they are an acclaimed academic institution. Fourth, they have a good baseball history and John Savage is considered a good coach by his peers (especially with pitchers). So, all things considered, they have a lot to offer. What they don't have is OSU's baseball "culture", three national championships, the impressive level of player development that OSU has, nor do they have Mitch Canham and our coaching staff. OSU also has a beautiful campus and a good education to go with it. So, why doesn't every great prospect head for Corvallis instead of Westwood? Because it's close to home and family/friends can attend every home game, the warmer-dry weather, and their girlfriend is going to UCLA. Really, most of the same reason Northwest kids go to Oregon State. The difference is, we recruit from an Oregon population base of 4.3 million, they recruit an area that is 5 or 6 times that. UCLA has a huge numbers advantage. Imagine if they had their own stadium or some better fan support ... When I was 18, if I could have gone to UCLA for the same $$ as OSU, I don't think I would have hesitated. Now, if I were a baseball prospect, there would be more decisions to be made on which place fit best. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 19, 2024 11:38:39 GMT -8
Player and class rankings have one redeeming virtue - they are the best measure we have of a player or class available other than those we have seen with our eyes. With the advent of modern technology, baseball sites can now do a fairly accurate job of quantifying a player's physical skills as part of their rating methodology. The baseball recruiting websites measure prospects at Tournaments and Showcase events. The height, weight and speed data is recorded and accurate when entered into their respective data bases. With the advanced high speed camera technology available from firms like Rapsodo, Eagle Eye and Edgetronic, along with Visual Edge and Trackman systems, they record 30-60-90 foot speed and a 60 yard dash time with a mph metric for top-end running speed. Batting skills are recorded in 24 different measurements and pitching data is produced with 26 different measurements. Defense is not measured beyond fielding statistics and subjective analysis. Advanced Analytics and technology have moved player ratings closer to the truth but several key factors are not considered by the baseball website folks. "Makeup" is an important component of every MLB scouting report but is not a consideration of the player and by extension, class rankings on the various websites. Things like "Baseball I.Q", attitude towards the game and teammates, mental toughness, dedication to the game, love of competition, coachability, and others that are so important in determining a players true value. Recruiting strong character has been a hallmark with Beaver baseball in their recruiting approach. . . so, yes Rankings are no guarantee of success. If you ask a coach about how good his class is? he will tell you . . . "ask me that in 3 or 4 years and I'll tell you". Coaches will tell you - "the fastest way to get fired is to start recruiting off some rankings list you found on a website". I always loved that Pat Casey quote..."We don't have to have the best players, just the right players.". You know, like Steven Kwan and Wade Meckler |
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