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Post by orangethunder on Jan 6, 2024 14:32:03 GMT -8
From Canzano and since it is coming from JC I take it with a grain of salt . That being said , would it even be possible for any of the deserters to come crawling back , ever?
“We’re already hearing rumblings that some schools that are leaving the Pac-12 aren’t happy. We’ll see, if maybe two years out there aren’t some looking to come back with us.” — Wayne Tinkle
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 6, 2024 14:53:47 GMT -8
"us"... does that mean WT will be here in two years?
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Post by grayman on Jan 6, 2024 15:10:59 GMT -8
I'm not sure how feasible it would be for any of the schools to return in short order at this point. If the Pac-12 can rebuild with some of its former teams I'm all for it, provided it includes some or all that went to the Big 12. Stanford and Cal are a lot less exciting, especially since I think it would be only Cal.
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Post by 56chevy on Jan 6, 2024 17:28:10 GMT -8
Most will be back, just a matter of when. Logistics over time will prevail. We should show enough class and grace to accept them without being punitive.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Jan 6, 2024 17:31:27 GMT -8
"us"... does that mean WT will be here in two years? You know what he meant.
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Post by beavheart on Jan 6, 2024 17:44:52 GMT -8
The funny thing is, up to this point all of the realignment talk has been exactly that. Talk.
So much chirping and peacocking from so many people about all of it. Talking about teams like their already part of these other conferences. All just a bunch of noise so far.
Well, in just a short 9 months you all going to be the trial run on the brainchild of a souless monster who only cares about profit. We'll just see how this all works out, but my money is on reality making a significant dent on these super conference pipe dreams.
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Post by grayman on Jan 6, 2024 18:06:51 GMT -8
The funny thing is, up to this point all of the realignment talk has been exactly that. Talk. So much chirping and peacocking from so many people about all of it. Talking about teams like their already part of these other conferences. All just a bunch of noise so far. Well, in just a short 9 months you all going to be the trial run on the brainchild of a souless monster who only cares about profit. We'll just see how this all works out, but my money is on reality making a significant dent on these super conference pipe dreams. Well, yeah. But isn't all speculation just talk until it comes true? It's fun to talk about a big name player coming to Corvallis, but it's just talk until that player either enrolls or signs elsewhere. As far as realignment, we've been in the midst of both reality and speculation for a solid year now. It is a fact that USC and UCLA decided to leave the Pac-12. Then we had the four teams to the Big 12, two to the ACC and two more to the Big Ten. I forget the exact order but that's the reality. It didn't happen overnight or in one day. SMU joined the ACC. Lots of people said these things would happen and lots doubted it. Florida State has been talking about leaving the ACC and others have indicated they want to leave as well. And I've heard that Utah doesn't want to be in the Big 12. And now Wayne Tinkle is saying that there are teams that might want to come back to the Pac. Maybe none of that happens. But there is absolutely a track record that has already been established.
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Post by beavheart on Jan 6, 2024 19:45:17 GMT -8
The funny thing is, up to this point all of the realignment talk has been exactly that. Talk. So much chirping and peacocking from so many people about all of it. Talking about teams like their already part of these other conferences. All just a bunch of noise so far. Well, in just a short 9 months you all going to be the trial run on the brainchild of a souless monster who only cares about profit. We'll just see how this all works out, but my money is on reality making a significant dent on these super conference pipe dreams. Well, yeah. But isn't all speculation just talk until it comes true? It's fun to talk about a big name player coming to Corvallis, but it's just talk until that player either enrolls or signs elsewhere. As far as realignment, we've been in the midst of both reality and speculation for a solid year now. It is a fact that USC and UCLA decided to leave the Pac-12. Then we had the four teams to the Big 12, two to the ACC and two more to the Big Ten. I forget the exact order but that's the reality. It didn't happen overnight or in one day. SMU joined the ACC. Lots of people said these things would happen and lots doubted it. Florida State has been talking about leaving the ACC and others have indicated they want to leave as well. And I've heard that Utah doesn't want to be in the Big 12. And now Wayne Tinkle is saying that there are teams that might want to come back to the Pac. Maybe none of that happens. But there is absolutely a track record that has already been established. Yes, all those decisions were made. But none of it has been put to the test. Yet. I think this realignment stuff is incredibly short sighted. As to the topic of the thread, once a bunch of things don't come up roses for programs across the spectrum it's not hard to image buyer's remorse showing up. I think it will start slow. The Oly sports will start to peel away from football and return to their own timezones. Eventually, the football part may not even work out for a bunch of parties involved. What that means for OSU and the future Pac is anyone's guess. I think we're doing the right thing right now. Focus within. Continue to plan, strategize and build on what we can and do stand for. Our eventual landing spot may not be as bad as it feels right now.
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Post by grayman on Jan 6, 2024 20:16:25 GMT -8
Well, yeah. But isn't all speculation just talk until it comes true? It's fun to talk about a big name player coming to Corvallis, but it's just talk until that player either enrolls or signs elsewhere. As far as realignment, we've been in the midst of both reality and speculation for a solid year now. It is a fact that USC and UCLA decided to leave the Pac-12. Then we had the four teams to the Big 12, two to the ACC and two more to the Big Ten. I forget the exact order but that's the reality. It didn't happen overnight or in one day. SMU joined the ACC. Lots of people said these things would happen and lots doubted it. Florida State has been talking about leaving the ACC and others have indicated they want to leave as well. And I've heard that Utah doesn't want to be in the Big 12. And now Wayne Tinkle is saying that there are teams that might want to come back to the Pac. Maybe none of that happens. But there is absolutely a track record that has already been established. Yes, all those decisions were made. But none of it has been put to the test. Yet. I think this realignment stuff is incredibly short sighted. As to the topic of the thread, once a bunch of things don't come up roses for programs across the spectrum it's not hard to image buyer's remorse showing up. I think it will start slow. The Oly sports will start to peel away from football and return to their own timezones. Eventually, the football part may not even work out for a bunch of parties involved. What that means for OSU and the future Pac is anyone's guess. I think we're doing the right thing right now. Focus within. Continue to plan, strategize and build on what we can and do stand for. Our eventual landing spot may not be as bad as it feels right now. It is definitely shortsighted. The Pac-12 should have never broken up, even after USC and UCLA announced that they were leaving. But instead we had one bad decision after another by the people running the show and here we are. I think a separation between football and the other sports may very well be something that happens eventually. Under the circumstances, the Pac-2 operation for a year or two is going along pretty well, IMO.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 6, 2024 20:23:21 GMT -8
f%#*’em. Make them sweat. Make them WAIT.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Jan 6, 2024 21:04:27 GMT -8
Most will be back, just a matter of when. Logistics over time will prevail. We should show enough class and grace to accept them without being punitive. Some crafty student should calculate the "travel carbon footprint" of the T10 vs. what they had while in Pac-12. Would love to see the Presidents of those universities try to explain how the new conference is the best decision.
Semper Gumby.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by ag87 on Jan 6, 2024 22:13:54 GMT -8
Even for football the novelty will wear off. Just imagine if Oregon State were going into the Big 10. If we had five conference home games, one would be against a west coast rival. Then once every four years we would see each of the traditional B10 teams. Sure, I'd like to see Michigan. And then Ohio State and Penn State. But after that, it's a big "who cares." I'd think I'm giving up my traditional rivals for Indiana and Iowa? And those teams have much interest than Maryland and Rutgers. I'd take Cal, Arizona and Utah in a heartbeat. The first year would be fun, but not so much after that. And football is the good part. Women's sports, basketball, baseball et al will suck.
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Post by 93beav on Jan 7, 2024 8:12:11 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure Utah is somewhere in that list. But I know I read somewhere recently that Utah was actually interested in getting in the B1G. At some point, I'd wonder if Utah, ASU, Cal and heck, even UCLA, might look to return. But that could be a decade out. And with Fox bidding a billion trillion quadrillion dollars for CFP rights, I suspect it's going to be harder to pull out the have's but much easier to pull together the not-as-much-haves.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 7, 2024 10:06:42 GMT -8
Most will be back, just a matter of when. Logistics over time will prevail. We should show enough class and grace to accept them without being punitive. Some crafty student should calculate the "travel carbon footprint" of the T10 vs. what they had while in Pac-12. Would love to see the Presidents of those universities try to explain how the new conference is the best decision.
Semper Gumby.
GO BEAVS!
The carbon footprint won't appreciably change much at all. Football flies charter. So four or five times a year, the charter will fly four or five additional hours on round-trips that will now take 10 hours total instead of five or six. Minimal impact. The other teams almost always fly commercial, on routes that will be flown whether or not the Washington/Oregon/SC/UCLA baseball/softball/basketball/soccer/volleyball teams are on them or not. So that won't change the carbon footprint one bit. Carbon footprint won't change their thinking. Increased travel costs, athlete burnout from excess travel, and potential Title IX lawsuits from Olympic-sport athletes because they don't also fly charters will be the eventual tipping point.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 7, 2024 10:39:36 GMT -8
From Canzano and since it is coming from JC I take it with a grain of salt . That being said , would it even be possible for any of the deserters to come crawling back , ever? “We’re already hearing rumblings that some schools that are leaving the Pac-12 aren’t happy. We’ll see, if maybe two years out there aren’t some looking to come back with us.” — Wayne Tinkle They haven't even left yet . Unless you're a New York City politician talking about Amazon's 'second headquarters' being asked to leave before it even got there, it's pretty silly to think some schools might decide they miss what they once had while they still have it.
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