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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 18, 2024 13:20:43 GMT -8
As I see it...OSU won 18 games the past two years, one of which shrouded in negativity. Whatever the philosophy was, I'll take the end results. I don't care what the offensive focus is, so long as we are winning games. I enjoyed Riley's high flying passing offense and JS pound it down their throats grinding offense. New era. New coach. New Philosophy. Can't wait to see what Bray cooks up. My expectations for next year are not particularly high. Lots of new faces...transfers who will be getting their first taste of extensive playing time, or playing time at FBS level. See 2023 Colorado (some irony there since 40% of our starting Oline may be CU transfers). Fortunately our schedule will be nowhere near as difficult as CUs was last year. 18 games, but still 6-3 in conference in last year and 5-4 this year... I like wins as much as the next guy, but coming off a 10 win season and landing a coveted 5* transfer QB, you expect more from your passing offense. Full stop. We all sat around talking at the end of 2022 about how we were a QB away. We got a QB and had a worse overall year. But to be sure, our passing game cost us wins this year. in conference games we lost in 2023 we averaged 215 yards passing 1 TD and 1 INT. in conference games we won in 2023 we average 270 yards passing 3 TDs and 0.5 INTs. a differential of 55 yards and 2 TDs per game in wins versus losses In losses we averaged a 51.8% completion percentage and an abysmal 6.4 yards per attempt. In wins we had a 61.7% competition percentage and 10.1 yards per attempt. a 10 percentage point difference in completion percentage and 4 yards per attempt... for rushing In conference game we lost in 2023 we average 143 yards rushing and 2 TDs. but in conference game we won, we averaged 187 yards rushing 2.2 TDs. a differential of 44 yards and a fraction of a TD. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry in losses and 4.8 yards per carry in wins. Minimal difference in scoring and rushing efficiency in wins vs losses. Generally speaking we rushed the same in wins and losses. It is clear in games we loss it wasn't the full failure of the offense. It was the inability to pass the ball. It was the difference maker this year and last (despite winning 10 games last year, we could of and should of won more, our USC and Utah losses were abysmal passing efforts and INT filled games).
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Post by irimi on Jan 18, 2024 13:31:30 GMT -8
As I see it...OSU won 18 games the past two years, one of which shrouded in negativity. Whatever the philosophy was, I'll take the end results. I don't care what the offensive focus is, so long as we are winning games. I enjoyed Riley's high flying passing offense and JS pound it down their throats grinding offense. New era. New coach. New Philosophy. Can't wait to see what Bray cooks up. My expectations for next year are not particularly high. Lots of new faces...transfers who will be getting their first taste of extensive playing time, or playing time at FBS level. See 2023 Colorado (some irony there since 40% of our starting Oline may be CU transfers). Fortunately our schedule will be nowhere near as difficult as CUs was last year. 18 games, but still 6-3 in conference in last year and 5-4 this year... I like wins as much as the next guy, but coming off a 10 win season and landing a coveted 5* transfer QB, you expect more from your passing offense. Full stop. We all sat around talking at the end of 2022 about how we were a QB away. We got a QB and had a worse overall year. But to be sure, our passing game cost us wins this year. in conference games we lost in 2023 we averaged 215 yards passing 1 TD and 1 INT. in conference games we won in 2023 we average 270 yards passing 3 TDs and 0.5 INTs. a differential of 55 yards and 2 TDs per game in wins versus losses In losses we averaged a 51.8% completion percentage and an abysmal 6.4 yards per attempt. In wins we had a 61.7% competition percentage and 10.1 yards per attempt. a 10 percentage point difference in completion percentage and 4 yards per attempt... for rushing In conference game we lost in 2023 we average 143 yards rushing and 2 TDs. but in conference game we won, we averaged 187 yards rushing 2.2 TDs. a differential of 44 yards and a fraction of a TD. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry in losses and 4.8 yards per carry in wins. Minimal difference in scoring and rushing efficiency in wins vs losses. Generally speaking we rushed the same in wins and losses. It is clear in games we loss it wasn't the full failure of the offense. It was the inability to pass the ball. It was the difference maker this year and last (despite winning 10 games last year, we could of and should of won more, our USC and Utah losses were abysmal passing efforts and INT filled games). For having been a QB, Smith's passing offense left a lot to be desired. And DJU not being able to hit the short pass for a first down late in the game in a couple of those losses was painful.
Like RenoBeaver said, it's Bray's team. I am looking forward to learning what that means exactly. It's scary not knowing what you've got in a head coach. But it's also exciting. Plus, all the new players coming in! Can't wait for Fall.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2024 13:34:45 GMT -8
As I see it...OSU won 18 games the past two years, one of which shrouded in negativity. Whatever the philosophy was, I'll take the end results. I don't care what the offensive focus is, so long as we are winning games. I enjoyed Riley's high flying passing offense and JS pound it down their throats grinding offense. New era. New coach. New Philosophy. Can't wait to see what Bray cooks up. My expectations for next year are not particularly high. Lots of new faces...transfers who will be getting their first taste of extensive playing time, or playing time at FBS level. See 2023 Colorado (some irony there since 40% of our starting Oline may be CU transfers). Fortunately our schedule will be nowhere near as difficult as CUs was last year. 18 games, but still 6-3 in conference in last year and 5-4 this year... I like wins as much as the next guy, but coming off a 10 win season and landing a coveted 5* transfer QB, you expect more from your passing offense. Full stop. We all sat around talking at the end of 2022 about how we were a QB away. We got a QB and had a worse overall year. But to be sure, our passing game cost us wins this year. in conference games we lost in 2023 we averaged 215 yards passing 1 TD and 1 INT. in conference games we won in 2023 we average 270 yards passing 3 TDs and 0.5 INTs. a differential of 55 yards and 2 TDs per game in wins versus losses In losses we averaged a 51.8% completion percentage and an abysmal 6.4 yards per attempt. In wins we had a 61.7% competition percentage and 10.1 yards per attempt. a 10 percentage point difference in completion percentage and 4 yards per attempt... for rushing In conference game we lost in 2023 we average 143 yards rushing and 2 TDs. but in conference game we won, we averaged 187 yards rushing 2.2 TDs. a differential of 44 yards and a fraction of a TD. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry in losses and 4.8 yards per carry in wins. Minimal difference in scoring and rushing efficiency in wins vs losses. Generally speaking we rushed the same in wins and losses. It is clear in games we loss it wasn't the full failure of the offense. It was the inability to pass the ball. It was the difference maker this year and last (despite winning 10 games last year, we could of and should of won more, our USC and Utah losses were abysmal passing efforts and INT filled games). But it was our D (especially in the 1st qtr) that cost us the WSU game. Don't think all the blame can be on the QB. Also, the league was a lot better this year. That can also be attributed to our poorer record. Who would've thought UA would be good this year. Also, our 10 wins in 2022 included 2 wins that easily could have been losses. Fresneck and Stanford. I still think it was a good year overall, especially with who we lost from the 2022 defense.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 18, 2024 13:52:05 GMT -8
18 games, but still 6-3 in conference in last year and 5-4 this year... I like wins as much as the next guy, but coming off a 10 win season and landing a coveted 5* transfer QB, you expect more from your passing offense. Full stop. We all sat around talking at the end of 2022 about how we were a QB away. We got a QB and had a worse overall year. But to be sure, our passing game cost us wins this year. in conference games we lost in 2023 we averaged 215 yards passing 1 TD and 1 INT. in conference games we won in 2023 we average 270 yards passing 3 TDs and 0.5 INTs. a differential of 55 yards and 2 TDs per game in wins versus losses In losses we averaged a 51.8% completion percentage and an abysmal 6.4 yards per attempt. In wins we had a 61.7% competition percentage and 10.1 yards per attempt. a 10 percentage point difference in completion percentage and 4 yards per attempt... for rushing In conference game we lost in 2023 we average 143 yards rushing and 2 TDs. but in conference game we won, we averaged 187 yards rushing 2.2 TDs. a differential of 44 yards and a fraction of a TD. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry in losses and 4.8 yards per carry in wins. Minimal difference in scoring and rushing efficiency in wins vs losses. Generally speaking we rushed the same in wins and losses. It is clear in games we loss it wasn't the full failure of the offense. It was the inability to pass the ball. It was the difference maker this year and last (despite winning 10 games last year, we could of and should of won more, our USC and Utah losses were abysmal passing efforts and INT filled games). But it was our D (especially in the 1st qtr) that cost us the WSU game. Don't think all the blame can be on the QB. Also, the league was a lot better this year. That can also be attributed to our poorer record. Who would've thought UA would be good this year. Also, our 10 wins in 2022 included 2 wins that easily could have been losses. Fresneck and Stanford. I still think it was a good year overall, especially with who we lost from the 2022 defense. Our D didn't help against WSU. but neither did our 50% competition percentage,198 yards passing and interception compared to 242 yards rushing at 6.2 yards per pop and 4 TDs. with the game 14 to 21 in the first half we recovered a WSU fumble in their territory then couldn't complete a 3rd down conversion pass and took a bad 4th down sack. WSU then scored on the short field to push it 14-28. We opened the 3rd quarter unable to convert a 4th and 1 pass on our own 31 yard line and the defense thankfully held and they missed a FG. Ironic we elected to pass it when we ran for 6.2 yards per carry in that game... We answered that missed field goal by going 3 and out. game still 14-28 and surviving a turn over in our own endzone we couldn't move it. Giving up 38 points ain't great, but in all things is context and the context is our offense s%#t the bed at crucial moments that would of seized momentum and possibly the game. This gave opportunity to WSU they took advantage of.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2024 13:58:01 GMT -8
But it was our D (especially in the 1st qtr) that cost us the WSU game. Don't think all the blame can be on the QB. Also, the league was a lot better this year. That can also be attributed to our poorer record. Who would've thought UA would be good this year. Also, our 10 wins in 2022 included 2 wins that easily could have been losses. Fresneck and Stanford. I still think it was a good year overall, especially with who we lost from the 2022 defense. Our D didn't help against WSU. but neither did our 50% competition percentage,198 yards passing and interception compared to 242 yards rushing at 6.2 yards per pop and 4 TDs. with the game 14 to 21 in the first half we recovered a WSU fumble in their territory then couldn't complete a 3rd down conversion pass and took a bad 4th down sack. WSU then scored on the short field to push it 14-28. We opened the 3rd quarter unable to convert a 4th and 1 pass on our own 31 yard line and the defense thankfully held and they missed a FG. Ironic we elected to pass it when we ran for 6.2 yards per carry in that game... We answered that missed field goal by going 3 and out. game still 14-28 and surviving a turn over in our own endzone we couldn't move it. Giving up 38 points ain't great, but in all things is context and the context is our offense s%#t the bed at crucial moments that would of seized momentum and possibly the game. This gave opportunity to WSU they took advantage of. Our D gave up almost 200 yds passing to Ward through 1 play into the 2nd qtr. They put us behind early and that definitely was a big part of that loss.
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 18, 2024 14:00:30 GMT -8
But it was our D (especially in the 1st qtr) that cost us the WSU game. Don't think all the blame can be on the QB. Also, the league was a lot better this year. That can also be attributed to our poorer record. Who would've thought UA would be good this year. Also, our 10 wins in 2022 included 2 wins that easily could have been losses. Fresneck and Stanford. I still think it was a good year overall, especially with who we lost from the 2022 defense. Our D didn't help against WSU. but neither did our 50% competition percentage,198 yards passing and interception compared to 242 yards rushing at 6.2 yards per pop and 4 TDs. with the game 14 to 21 in the first half we recovered a WSU fumble in their territory then couldn't complete a 3rd down conversion pass and took a bad 4th down sack. WSU then scored on the short field to push it 14-28. We opened the 3rd quarter unable to convert a 4th and 1 pass on our own 31 yard line and the defense thankfully held and they missed a FG. Ironic we elected to pass it when we ran for 6.2 yards per carry in that game... We answered that missed field goal by going 3 and out. game still 14-28 and surviving a turn over in our own endzone we couldn't move it. Giving up 38 points ain't great, but in all things is context and the context is our offense s%#t the bed at crucial moments that would of seized momentum and possibly the game. This gave opportunity to WSU they took advantage of. History is littered with Big-armed QBs who somehow had trouble hitting passes within 5 yards of the LOS. It seems like it should be an easy defect to correct, and yet ...
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 18, 2024 16:26:41 GMT -8
As I see it...OSU won 18 games the past two years, one of which shrouded in negativity. Whatever the philosophy was, I'll take the end results. I don't care what the offensive focus is, so long as we are winning games. I enjoyed Riley's high flying passing offense and JS pound it down their throats grinding offense. New era. New coach. New Philosophy. Can't wait to see what Bray cooks up. My expectations for next year are not particularly high. Lots of new faces...transfers who will be getting their first taste of extensive playing time, or playing time at FBS level. See 2023 Colorado (some irony there since 40% of our starting Oline may be CU transfers). Fortunately our schedule will be nowhere near as difficult as CUs was last year. 18 games, but still 6-3 in conference in last year and 5-4 this year... I like wins as much as the next guy, but coming off a 10 win season and landing a coveted 5* transfer QB, you expect more from your passing offense. Full stop. We all sat around talking at the end of 2022 about how we were a QB away. We got a QB and had a worse overall year. But to be sure, our passing game cost us wins this year. in conference games we lost in 2023 we averaged 215 yards passing 1 TD and 1 INT. in conference games we won in 2023 we average 270 yards passing 3 TDs and 0.5 INTs. a differential of 55 yards and 2 TDs per game in wins versus losses In losses we averaged a 51.8% completion percentage and an abysmal 6.4 yards per attempt. In wins we had a 61.7% competition percentage and 10.1 yards per attempt. a 10 percentage point difference in completion percentage and 4 yards per attempt... for rushing In conference game we lost in 2023 we average 143 yards rushing and 2 TDs. but in conference game we won, we averaged 187 yards rushing 2.2 TDs. a differential of 44 yards and a fraction of a TD. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry in losses and 4.8 yards per carry in wins. Minimal difference in scoring and rushing efficiency in wins vs losses. Generally speaking we rushed the same in wins and losses. It is clear in games we loss it wasn't the full failure of the offense. It was the inability to pass the ball. It was the difference maker this year and last (despite winning 10 games last year, we could of and should of won more, our USC and Utah losses were abysmal passing efforts and INT filled games). We lost to 3 conference teams that finished ranked in the top 11. Whatever gets your goat, I kinda look at it like not so long ago we were arguably the worst P5 program in the country. I get people want to hate on Smith but what he accomplished here was remarkable. Grateful for his time here and the foundation he laid for Bray, because quite frankly, someone else might have laid a massive Turd, and its doubtful without those winning seasons and upward trajectory many stud recruits or transfers would even consider coming to OSU given the predicament we are in. Change happens in college sports, particularly head coaching changes. Compared to some other schools, it's been a pretty smooth transition.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 18, 2024 16:41:53 GMT -8
18 games, but still 6-3 in conference in last year and 5-4 this year... I like wins as much as the next guy, but coming off a 10 win season and landing a coveted 5* transfer QB, you expect more from your passing offense. Full stop. We all sat around talking at the end of 2022 about how we were a QB away. We got a QB and had a worse overall year. But to be sure, our passing game cost us wins this year. in conference games we lost in 2023 we averaged 215 yards passing 1 TD and 1 INT. in conference games we won in 2023 we average 270 yards passing 3 TDs and 0.5 INTs. a differential of 55 yards and 2 TDs per game in wins versus losses In losses we averaged a 51.8% completion percentage and an abysmal 6.4 yards per attempt. In wins we had a 61.7% competition percentage and 10.1 yards per attempt. a 10 percentage point difference in completion percentage and 4 yards per attempt... for rushing In conference game we lost in 2023 we average 143 yards rushing and 2 TDs. but in conference game we won, we averaged 187 yards rushing 2.2 TDs. a differential of 44 yards and a fraction of a TD. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry in losses and 4.8 yards per carry in wins. Minimal difference in scoring and rushing efficiency in wins vs losses. Generally speaking we rushed the same in wins and losses. It is clear in games we loss it wasn't the full failure of the offense. It was the inability to pass the ball. It was the difference maker this year and last (despite winning 10 games last year, we could of and should of won more, our USC and Utah losses were abysmal passing efforts and INT filled games). We lost to 3 conference teams that finished ranked in the top 11. Whatever gets your goat, I kinda look at it like not so long ago we were arguably the worst P5 program in the country. I get people want to hate on Smith but what he accomplished here was remarkable. Grateful for his time here and the foundation he laid for Bray, because quite frankly, someone else might have laid a massive Turd, and its doubtful without those winning seasons and upward trajectory many stud recruits or transfers would even consider coming to OSU given the predicament we are in. Change happens in college sports, particularly head coaching changes. Compared to some other schools, it's been a pretty smooth transition. None of what I am saying is to hate on Smith. All of what I am saying is that there is plenty of room for improvement, and plenty of ways a new OC and new direction can be beneficial. I mean, for sure we can point to how Anderpants was going to revolutionize our offense, and bring in QBs that are "triple threats" and then see where that got us. I choose to use the power of positive thinking though.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2024 16:42:24 GMT -8
But it was our D (especially in the 1st qtr) that cost us the WSU game. Don't think all the blame can be on the QB. Also, the league was a lot better this year. That can also be attributed to our poorer record. Who would've thought UA would be good this year. Also, our 10 wins in 2022 included 2 wins that easily could have been losses. Fresneck and Stanford. I still think it was a good year overall, especially with who we lost from the 2022 defense. Our D didn't help against WSU. but neither did our 50% competition percentage,198 yards passing and interception compared to 242 yards rushing at 6.2 yards per pop and 4 TDs. with the game 14 to 21 in the first half we recovered a WSU fumble in their territory then couldn't complete a 3rd down conversion pass and took a bad 4th down sack. WSU then scored on the short field to push it 14-28. We opened the 3rd quarter unable to convert a 4th and 1 pass on our own 31 yard line and the defense thankfully held and they missed a FG. Ironic we elected to pass it when we ran for 6.2 yards per carry in that game... We answered that missed field goal by going 3 and out. game still 14-28 and surviving a turn over in our own endzone we couldn't move it. Giving up 38 points ain't great, but in all things is context and the context is our offense s%#t the bed at crucial moments that would of seized momentum and possibly the game. This gave opportunity to WSU they took advantage of. Tough series against Wazzu after the fumble. Martinez had a big gain, probably a touchdown, if he could have beat the Wazzu corner, but was tackled 1 v. 1. The third down pass was to a wide open Martinez but was batted at the line by a defensive tackle matched up against Bloomfield. I don't know what else DJU could have done. Just awful play-calling on fourth down. Wazzu went with an all-out blitz, blitzing both a linebacker and a safety. Seven to block six. The safety was supposed to be picked up by Velling, who whiffed on the block (mostly by not laying out to at least slow down the safety). Two blockers did not block anyone (three if you count Velling, who at least tried). Levengood also got beat but did everything he could to slow down his man. The other four blockers held up. There was nowhere to throw. More garbage play-calling by Smitty/Lindgren. I want to say that there was an almost identical play-call on a critical third down against Wazzu back in 2021, which cost Oregon State a bowl game. Martinez was wide open on that fourth-down play. Very confusing play design. Trying to sell a run to the left. Wazzu did not bite on that at all. No one was over there. Martinez might still be running, if the play was actually a hand-off to the left. The Wazzu defenders were so surprised that it was bootleg right, that they stopped chasing DJU for a tic. Two defensive players came unblocked on the play. Martinez was open, but, under pressure, DJU threw it just over his fingertips. The play there was a run to the left side. Any kind of run to the left side probably is a touchdown. Just awful play-calling.
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Post by seastape on Jan 18, 2024 19:05:46 GMT -8
52:48 run:pass this year. Last year was 61:39 run:pass. Last year, only Arkansas, Minnesota, and Mississippi ran more among Power Five teams. I can think of at least one rushing attempt that shouldn't have happened... The entire board should "like" this post.
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Post by nsh03 on Jan 18, 2024 21:54:34 GMT -8
According to Smith, though, the goal really was balance. And many (most?) games, we were close to 50/50 in our play calling. Our passing game did not suffer for lack of opportunity to shine; if anything, we tried too hard to achieve some semblance of balance when the running game was rolling and the passing attack was anywhere from ineffective to an outright liability. 52:48 run:pass this year. Last year was 61:39 run:pass. Last year, only Arkansas, Minnesota, and Mississippi ran more among Power Five teams. Are those stats counting sacks and QB scrambles as runs? I noticed at least a few times this year that on paper we were running more becausr of scrambles and sacks counting as runs; but in reality we were dialing up as many pass plays as run plays. Last year we definitely were run-heavy, which I was all for, given the QB play we were getting and the absolute dominance of our running game. This year, I felt like we tried too hard to force balance when we probably should have continued to lean more heavily on the run. For example, everyone will forever remember the infamous fake FG against U of A. But dialing up five straight passing plays resulted in four incomplete passes and a QB scramble for no gain and back to back punts in the 4th quarter when U of A was not stopping the run was far more costly than the bone-headed fake FG in the big picture.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2024 22:05:16 GMT -8
52:48 run:pass this year. Last year was 61:39 run:pass. Last year, only Arkansas, Minnesota, and Mississippi ran more among Power Five teams. Are those stats counting sacks and QB scrambles as runs? I noticed at least a few times this year that on paper we were running more becausr of scrambles and sacks counting as runs; but in reality we were dialing up as many pass plays as run plays. Last year we definitely were run-heavy, which I was all for, given the QB play we were getting and the absolute dominance of our running game. This year, I felt like we tried too hard to force balance when we probably should have continued to lean more heavily on the run. For example, everyone will forever remember the infamous fake FG against U of A. But dialing up five straight passing plays resulted in four incomplete passes and a QB scramble for no gain and back to back punts in the 4th quarter when U of A was not stopping the run was far more costly than the bone-headed fake FG in the big picture. That includes sacks as passes, like in the NFL. 54:46 run:pass if you include sacks as runs. You would have to do a really deep dive to figure out "scrambles."
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