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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 16, 2024 21:18:10 GMT -8
We are obsessed with height. Look how many flame out 1st round QB's there have been who had "prototypical size". We are obsessed with height, because it's the only thing that you cannot teach. Nope.....speed
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 16, 2024 21:19:17 GMT -8
You can't teach speed either.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 16, 2024 21:24:12 GMT -8
You can't teach speed either. flyfishinbeavOf course you can teach speed. "Speed" is one of the most criminally overrated skills to have in football, and height is one of the most criminally underrated.
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Post by grayman on Jan 16, 2024 21:36:41 GMT -8
So out of ice storm boredom I went through all of the NFL 53-man rosters and looked for wide receivers 5-9 or shorter. There are 25 wide receivers listed in that range. Twelve are 5-9, nine are 5-8, three are 5-7 and one is 5-6. A bunch of them are clearly on the roster as return specialists first. But not all. One thing that stood out to me is how many cornerbacks are in the 5-8 to 5-10 range. Kind of surprising. Also, I would say shorter running backs are not such a surprise but nearly every team now has at least one guy that is 5-9 or shorter.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2024 0:13:28 GMT -8
So out of ice storm boredom I went through all of the NFL 53-man rosters and looked for wide receivers 5-9 or shorter. There are 25 wide receivers listed in that range. Twelve are 5-9, nine are 5-8, three are 5-7 and one is 5-6. A bunch of them are clearly on the roster as return specialists first. But not all. One thing that stood out to me is how many cornerbacks are in the 5-8 to 5-10 range. Kind of surprising. Also, I would say shorter running backs are not such a surprise but nearly every team now has at least one guy that is 5-9 or shorter. Not altogether that surprising though. That’s where your players who are prized for quickness and speed above all go, and height is a lesser handicap. It’s weird though, remember how much of a novelty Brandon Browner playing CB at 6-3/6-4 was? Seemed like your biggest corners back then were Dennis Weathersby types, 6-1 and lanky with great recovery speed. Now there are lots of tall guys playing CB in the NFL.
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Post by bleedorange21 on Jan 17, 2024 0:23:56 GMT -8
But but but how could this be? The four leading receivers for Texas all left for the draft? and they already grabbed their two new starters in Golden (4* Houston transfer) and Bond (4* Alabama transfer) and needed their 3rd WR? Opportunity and fit. It ain't a riddle. OSU has recently landed two transfer WRs, which as HS prospects would have easily been among the highest rated we have ever landed. If not THE highest rated (don't want to do the research on this). Both are tall and explosive. I have high confidence our passing game looks much better next year. As we talked about ad naseum, Bolden was a quality Beav, but as an overall lead WR, he was limited. He is going to fit in real nice at Texas being their 3rd WR and gadget guy. He will pair up really well on safeties and nickels, and burn a lot of guys deep. He will probably have a nice year. He already showed us he can't put this team on his back as the #1 guy, like Hass could. Like Cooks could. Like Hodgins could. I think Anderson and Clemons can be those guys we need to be robust, routine and reliable chain movers. I thought Clemons was the only wr transfer right?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 5:53:49 GMT -8
The four leading receivers for Texas all left for the draft? and they already grabbed their two new starters in Golden (4* Houston transfer) and Bond (4* Alabama transfer) and needed their 3rd WR? Opportunity and fit. It ain't a riddle. OSU has recently landed two transfer WRs, which as HS prospects would have easily been among the highest rated we have ever landed. If not THE highest rated (don't want to do the research on this). Both are tall and explosive. I have high confidence our passing game looks much better next year. As we talked about ad naseum, Bolden was a quality Beav, but as an overall lead WR, he was limited. He is going to fit in real nice at Texas being their 3rd WR and gadget guy. He will pair up really well on safeties and nickels, and burn a lot of guys deep. He will probably have a nice year. He already showed us he can't put this team on his back as the #1 guy, like Hass could. Like Cooks could. Like Hodgins could. I think Anderson and Clemons can be those guys we need to be robust, routine and reliable chain movers. I thought Clemons was the only wr transfer right? Correct. Anderson is a signed HS recruit. Durant and Freauff are unsigned commits.
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Post by 93beav on Jan 17, 2024 9:06:59 GMT -8
You can't teach speed either. flyfishinbeav Of course you can teach speed. "Speed" is one of the most criminally overrated skills to have in football, and height is one of the most criminally underrated. The number of times I've seen a jump ball catch... Speed doesn't hurt at all to get some separation. But when you're in a "we need 5 yds" situation, I still think height is a better safety valve. Now, if you're just streaking for a long bomb...
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 9:07:24 GMT -8
The four leading receivers for Texas all left for the draft? and they already grabbed their two new starters in Golden (4* Houston transfer) and Bond (4* Alabama transfer) and needed their 3rd WR? Opportunity and fit. It ain't a riddle. OSU has recently landed two transfer WRs, which as HS prospects would have easily been among the highest rated we have ever landed. If not THE highest rated (don't want to do the research on this). Both are tall and explosive. I have high confidence our passing game looks much better next year. As we talked about ad naseum, Bolden was a quality Beav, but as an overall lead WR, he was limited. He is going to fit in real nice at Texas being their 3rd WR and gadget guy. He will pair up really well on safeties and nickels, and burn a lot of guys deep. He will probably have a nice year. He already showed us he can't put this team on his back as the #1 guy, like Hass could. Like Cooks could. Like Hodgins could. I think Anderson and Clemons can be those guys we need to be robust, routine and reliable chain movers. I thought Clemons was the only wr transfer right? You are totally right. He was a late flip so my brain keeps assigning him as a transfer. He is ACTUALLY The highest rated WR recruit we've ever landed, according to Rivals. and actually pretty close to a top 10 overall.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 9:32:54 GMT -8
flyfishinbeav Of course you can teach speed. "Speed" is one of the most criminally overrated skills to have in football, and height is one of the most criminally underrated. The number of times I've seen a jump ball catch... Speed doesn't hurt at all to get some separation. But when you're in a "we need 5 yds" situation, I still think height is a better safety valve. Now, if you're just streaking for a long bomb... Or…your speed has burned the guy deep a couple of times, so now when you sprint straight out again the db will have to respect that speed by giving a little cushion and you dig, turn and catch the 5 yd pass for a first down. There’s a lot more use for speed than merely streaking down the field.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 11:01:16 GMT -8
The number of times I've seen a jump ball catch... Speed doesn't hurt at all to get some separation. But when you're in a "we need 5 yds" situation, I still think height is a better safety valve. Now, if you're just streaking for a long bomb... Or…your speed has burned the guy deep a couple of times, so now when you sprint straight out again the db will have to respect that speed by giving a little cushion and you dig, turn and catch the 5 yd pass for a first down. There’s a lot more use for speed than merely streaking down the field. It is practically a kiss of death to be a WR and have a top 40 time. very, very few WR with "elite" 40s pan out. Best guys in the NFL are fast, sure, but they are low 4.4 guys, not these crazy 4.3 and below runners. Tyreek Hill is probably the only elite speed 40 guy to actually pan out as a successful well rounded WR that can do multiple routes and come down with contested passes. And of course our own Brandin Cooks with a very low 4.3 number as well. But the NFL keeps drafting them. and they keep getting John Ross and Henry Ruggs types over and over again.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:17:32 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm not sure his game will improve much in one season. Stats, maybe. I think the only thing that is really going to improve is his bank account statement. No judgement from me, though. I don't resent his decision or anything like that. Just not happy that he won't finish his career with the Beavers. Texas might have a super-amazing coaching staff, but it would be wise IMO to not throw your old coaches under the bus. Am I missing part of the quote? Where does he throw OSU coaches (actually mostly now MSU coaches on his side of the ball) under the bus?
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Post by 93beav on Jan 17, 2024 12:39:05 GMT -8
The number of times I've seen a jump ball catch... Speed doesn't hurt at all to get some separation. But when you're in a "we need 5 yds" situation, I still think height is a better safety valve. Now, if you're just streaking for a long bomb... Or…your speed has burned the guy deep a couple of times, so now when you sprint straight out again the db will have to respect that speed by giving a little cushion and you dig, turn and catch the 5 yd pass for a first down. There’s a lot more use for speed than merely streaking down the field. This requires burning the guy deep a couple of times. I can be 6'4" the first time out!
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 17, 2024 12:40:43 GMT -8
So out of ice storm boredom I went through all of the NFL 53-man rosters and looked for wide receivers 5-9 or shorter. There are 25 wide receivers listed in that range. Twelve are 5-9, nine are 5-8, three are 5-7 and one is 5-6. A bunch of them are clearly on the roster as return specialists first. But not all. One thing that stood out to me is how many cornerbacks are in the 5-8 to 5-10 range. Kind of surprising. Also, I would say shorter running backs are not such a surprise but nearly every team now has at least one guy that is 5-9 or shorter. I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Alexander Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 17, 2024 12:43:10 GMT -8
So out of ice storm boredom I went through all of the NFL 53-man rosters and looked for wide receivers 5-9 or shorter. There are 25 wide receivers listed in that range. Twelve are 5-9, nine are 5-8, three are 5-7 and one is 5-6. A bunch of them are clearly on the roster as return specialists first. But not all. One thing that stood out to me is how many cornerbacks are in the 5-8 to 5-10 range. Kind of surprising. Also, I would say shorter running backs are not such a surprise but nearly every team now has at least one guy that is 5-9 or shorter. I'd be interested to see a list of our top 15-20 WR's of past few decades with their "actual" height. Outside of a few, I think some if not most or our best receivers were 6' or less: Going off judgement not any listed Ht. The rule (6' or under or way under):Hass Stroughter Cooks J. Rodgers Rob Thomas Prescott Hernandez V. Bolden Bradford Gould Bolden Exceptions:Houshmandzadeh Neswon? Ocho Johnson People were hyped for Villamin, mainly because he was TALL at 6'5. Didn't make the list unfrotunately. Hass was over 6'
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