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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 7:33:11 GMT -8
Last nights drive home was full of discussion of how that game reminded us all of the early to mid 80's and look how far we have fallen. The general consensus in my car was that we are looking at 4-5 years minimum to get back to respectability. Any thoughts on how long this is going to take as candidly next year might be another repeat of this year. Thoughts? |
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Post by sessbeav on Nov 8, 2015 9:01:34 GMT -8
I was pleased that the D is improving. Giving up 41 sucks to be sure - but the offense is so abysmal that they repeatedly put the D on the field after 3 and out. Then factor in the three interceptions and what...three fumbles? The d was game and with any offensive support this might have been a fairly competitive game.
The D is coming along - the offense is in shambles. I am hoping for a JC transfer QB next year for some much needed stability.
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Post by TonySoprano on Nov 8, 2015 10:57:05 GMT -8
Nothing takes 4-5 years to turn around if done properly.
I am convinced, regardless of what's happening on the field, that this staff will use a combination of JC transfers and fresh=faced freshman to flip the script over the next 2 seasons.
Year 3 is when Coach A's "process" comes together.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 8, 2015 12:13:59 GMT -8
Tony.... I so hope you are right. No evidence of any JC recruits as of now... but, I too believe they are going to be a focus come Nov. 30th... maybe some early signees ready for Spring ball?  ?? |
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Post by nexus73 on Nov 8, 2015 19:10:48 GMT -8
Turnaround time can also be related to critical injury numbers. Neuheisel at UCLA had buzzard luck with his QB's. They would drop like flies. Whether Andersen has a voodoo curse upon him is unknown but such things happen. Look at Bobby Bowden and "wide right", where the issue was not about one win seasons, it was one-loss seasons that kept denying the Seminoles the title. Sports can develop some mighty strange streaks. In the big picture we are seeing chaos dynamics at work.
I'll stick with rooting for da' Beavs. Their struggles are just like a lot of us folks in Oregon. Beat us down and we keep getting up only to take another beating...LOL!
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Post by justdamwin on Nov 9, 2015 7:57:01 GMT -8
Oregon State 2016 will be the most improved team in the Pac12. There's only a couple pieces misses to a really strong 2016 team: QB and two DTs.
From the offense, gone will be Storm (mediocre at best), Mitchell (who is upper end of mediocre) and Kellen Clute (definition of mediocre). From the defense: Peko, Grimble, Robbins, James (All mediocre) and Larry Scott. None of these guys are incredible playmakers. Their departure will just give players who are hopefully superior a chance to be on the field. Oregon State won't lose a "key" player.
I think we will see expressed improvement in: OL, WRs, RBs, TEs, LB and defensive backs.
Obviously the QB position is a key to 2016. Other real need is a couple real DTs, maybe Vakameilalo and Tago can be those guys?
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 9, 2015 8:15:47 GMT -8
Oregon State 2016 will be the most improved team in the Pac12. There's only a couple pieces misses to a really strong 2016 team: QB and two DTs. From the offense, gone will be Storm (mediocre at best), Mitchell (who is upper end of mediocre) and Kellen Clute (definition of mediocre). From the defense: Peko, Grimble, Robbins, James (All mediocre) and Larry Scott. None of these guys are incredible playmakers. Their departure will just give players who are hopefully superior a chance to be on the field. Oregon State won't lose a "key" player. I think we will see expressed improvement in: OL, WRs, RBs, TEs, LB and defensive backs. Obviously the QB position is a key to 2016. Other real need is a couple real DTs, maybe Vakameilalo and Tago can be those guys? I can see that, a lot of mediocrity and undesirables taking a hike. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 9, 2015 8:31:36 GMT -8
Oregon State 2016 will be the most improved team in the Pac12. There's only a couple pieces misses to a really strong 2016 team: QB and two DTs. From the offense, gone will be Storm (mediocre at best), Mitchell (who is upper end of mediocre) and Kellen Clute (definition of mediocre). From the defense: Peko, Grimble, Robbins, James (All mediocre) and Larry Scott. None of these guys are incredible playmakers. Their departure will just give players who are hopefully superior a chance to be on the field. Oregon State won't lose a "key" player. I think we will see expressed improvement in: OL, WRs, RBs, TEs, LB and defensive backs. Obviously the QB position is a key to 2016. Other real need is a couple real DTs, maybe Vakameilalo and Tago can be those guys? Unfortunately if you believe this staff the best players will play... if these guys are truly mediocre why has not any of the younger players beaten them out? I understand depth plays a role and you need bodies, but the lion's share of PT is going to guys people see as no big loss. They are if in fact you do not have the depth for you supposedly "better" players, or you indeed get even younger and more inexperienced. JC route is the only way this team is the most improved in '16... and hopefully so, as I see this year and next (maybe '17??) as maybe the weakest the Pac12 will be. A lot of teams are losing a lot of key play makers. Although I see a couple that are VERY talented and young... UCLA for one, even with all the injuries. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 8:57:17 GMT -8
Oregon State 2016 will be the most improved team in the Pac12. There's only a couple pieces misses to a really strong 2016 team: QB and two DTs. From the offense, gone will be Storm (mediocre at best), Mitchell (who is upper end of mediocre) and Kellen Clute (definition of mediocre). From the defense: Peko, Grimble, Robbins, James (All mediocre) and Larry Scott. None of these guys are incredible playmakers. Their departure will just give players who are hopefully superior a chance to be on the field. Oregon State won't lose a "key" player. I think we will see expressed improvement in: OL, WRs, RBs, TEs, LB and defensive backs. Obviously the QB position is a key to 2016. Other real need is a couple real DTs, maybe Vakameilalo and Tago can be those guys? What about these pieces? LT, LG, C, RG, RT. The only guy we lose from what has been a very disappointing offensive line is Mitchell, who was possibly the most consistent one. Who are the young guys who have been subbing in? Hopkins. A converted tight end. Hardly a serious Pac-12 solution at tackle. Clarkson, a good player, potentially our starting center next year and ultimately an improvement over Mitchell IMO. Anybody else? Has Kammy Delp played? How was he? Realistically, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you have a disappointing position group, lose hardly anyone, and expect them to be great the following year. There is an urban myth that when Jerry Pettibone asked Rocky Long how good our defense was going to be Long replied, paraphrasing, "We've got the same guys we had last year. What do you think?" |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 9, 2015 10:22:49 GMT -8
I must be watching different guys, because I think the offensive line is pretty good. They were blowing guys back on Saturday. Season to date rushing shows Collins 5.5 ypc, Woods 5.0 (over 6 against UCLA), Nall 5.6, Bolden 5.3. Maybe the problem is we don't run enough. Deja Vu all over again?
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 9, 2015 10:51:13 GMT -8
The biggest problem is that we get behind, so we're forced to pass (which we can't do). That and penalties and negative plays continue to get us behind the chains. We were running consistently in the first quarter before Mitchell's 2 turnovers in 3 plays.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 9, 2015 10:55:39 GMT -8
Oregon State 2016 will be the most improved team in the Pac12. There's only a couple pieces misses to a really strong 2016 team: QB and two DTs. From the offense, gone will be Storm (mediocre at best), Mitchell (who is upper end of mediocre) and Kellen Clute (definition of mediocre). From the defense: Peko, Grimble, Robbins, James (All mediocre) and Larry Scott. None of these guys are incredible playmakers. Their departure will just give players who are hopefully superior a chance to be on the field. Oregon State won't lose a "key" player. I think we will see expressed improvement in: OL, WRs, RBs, TEs, LB and defensive backs. Obviously the QB position is a key to 2016. Other real need is a couple real DTs, maybe Vakameilalo and Tago can be those guys? What about these pieces? LT, LG, C, RG, RT. The only guy we lose from what has been a very disappointing offensive line is Mitchell, who was possibly the most consistent one. Who are the young guys who have been subbing in? Hopkins. A converted tight end. Hardly a serious Pac-12 solution at tackle. Clarkson, a good player, potentially our starting center next year and ultimately an improvement over Mitchell IMO. Anybody else? Has Kammy Delp played? How was he? Realistically, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you have a disappointing position group, lose hardly anyone, and expect them to be great the following year. There is an urban myth that when Jerry Pettibone asked Rocky Long how good our defense was going to be Long replied, paraphrasing, "We've got the same guys we had last year. What do you think?" Our line is not dominate... but it is certainly good enough and it is not bad. our QBs are bad. Our WRs are majorly disappointing, but I think part of that is they have grown alligator arms because the only passes Baldwin is calling is a slant directly into a safety!! We are a mess due to questionable play calling and poor QBing. we have a good enough OL, we have good RBs that are tragically underused and we have WRs, that need some better play calls and a guy that can get the ball to them. |
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Post by justdamwin on Nov 10, 2015 7:44:43 GMT -8
Oregon State 2016 will be the most improved team in the Pac12. There's only a couple pieces misses to a really strong 2016 team: QB and two DTs. From the offense, gone will be Storm (mediocre at best), Mitchell (who is upper end of mediocre) and Kellen Clute (definition of mediocre). From the defense: Peko, Grimble, Robbins, James (All mediocre) and Larry Scott. None of these guys are incredible playmakers. Their departure will just give players who are hopefully superior a chance to be on the field. Oregon State won't lose a "key" player. I think we will see expressed improvement in: OL, WRs, RBs, TEs, LB and defensive backs. Obviously the QB position is a key to 2016. Other real need is a couple real DTs, maybe Vakameilalo and Tago can be those guys? What about these pieces? LT, LG, C, RG, RT. The only guy we lose from what has been a very disappointing offensive line is Mitchell, who was possibly the most consistent one. Who are the young guys who have been subbing in? Hopkins. A converted tight end. Hardly a serious Pac-12 solution at tackle. Clarkson, a good player, potentially our starting center next year and ultimately an improvement over Mitchell IMO. Anybody else? Has Kammy Delp played? How was he? Realistically, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you have a disappointing position group, lose hardly anyone, and expect them to be great the following year. There is an urban myth that when Jerry Pettibone asked Rocky Long how good our defense was going to be Long replied, paraphrasing, "We've got the same guys we had last year. What do you think?" Nall Plays a lot and Sands would be if he were more healthy. James doesn't play every down. Clute sees PT because Smith is hurt and Togai is seeing a lot of PT. Younger guys are getting a lot of PT. Though some Seniors haven't lost starting roles, they don't see every or even 70% of snaps. Only Mitchell and Larry Scott as Seniors see most of the snaps at their position in a game. Players get better by playing, the Beavs have about 15 guys on offense and 16 guys on defense who are seeing meaningful snaps and returning for 2016. Rocky Long's defenses were the only bright spots on most of those Pettibone teams, not sure what to make of the "urban myth". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 8:19:27 GMT -8
What about these pieces? LT, LG, C, RG, RT. The only guy we lose from what has been a very disappointing offensive line is Mitchell, who was possibly the most consistent one. Who are the young guys who have been subbing in? Hopkins. A converted tight end. Hardly a serious Pac-12 solution at tackle. Clarkson, a good player, potentially our starting center next year and ultimately an improvement over Mitchell IMO. Anybody else? Has Kammy Delp played? How was he? Realistically, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you have a disappointing position group, lose hardly anyone, and expect them to be great the following year. There is an urban myth that when Jerry Pettibone asked Rocky Long how good our defense was going to be Long replied, paraphrasing, "We've got the same guys we had last year. What do you think?" Nall Plays a lot and Sands would be if he were more healthy. James doesn't play every down. Clute sees PT because Smith is hurt and Togai is seeing a lot of PT. Younger guys are getting a lot of PT. Though some Seniors haven't lost starting roles, they don't see every or even 70% of snaps. Only Mitchell and Larry Scott as Seniors see most of the snaps at their position in a game. Players get better by playing, the Beavs have about 15 guys on offense and 16 guys on defense who are seeing meaningful snaps and returning for 2016. Rocky Long's defenses were the only bright spots on most of those Pettibone teams, not sure what to make of the "urban myth". The urban myth was in fact reported in the media. I use "myth" because I don't have an exact quote. The rest of the story is that this conversation is what motivated Long to try experimenting with formations and blitzes, very successfully. So successful that Toledo hired him away. Peko and Storm are getting all the reps they can physically handle. Players get better by playing, except for those who don't. To expect automatic improvement by virtue of how young your team is is silly. Until recently, Riley had a lot of success in developing players. But this isn't something you can count on. Some times it happens, some times it doesn't. We've had unheralded guys show up and take our program to new levels (Jonathon Smith, Mike Hass, James Rogers). We've also had 4 star recruits wash out. The best predictor of future success is how players look today. |
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 10, 2015 8:54:37 GMT -8
What about these pieces? LT, LG, C, RG, RT. The only guy we lose from what has been a very disappointing offensive line is Mitchell, who was possibly the most consistent one. Who are the young guys who have been subbing in? Hopkins. A converted tight end. Hardly a serious Pac-12 solution at tackle. Clarkson, a good player, potentially our starting center next year and ultimately an improvement over Mitchell IMO. Anybody else? Has Kammy Delp played? How was he? If everyone is healthy and comes back, next year's line will be very good. Keep in mind, two of our better olinemen are out this year. Gavin Andrews in RSing due to Mono. Brayden Kearsley (former 4* transfer from BYU) will be eligible. and Issac and Harlow should both be back. That is 4 pretty damn good o-linemen. I also don't get the knock on this years oline. As someone pointed out, we have 4 guys averaging 5+ yards a carry. The current line is not exactly bad. Next year should be better though |
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