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Post by chinmusic on Feb 11, 2020 22:17:53 GMT -8
Baseball America's latest ranking for the June draft.
Abel x 2
Mick #9
Kevin # 59
Prospect Insider's updated Mock Draft has Mick going at #16 in the first round to the Colorado Rockies. Two forces in play here; 1) He's a high school player as opposed to a college guy, and 2) he's right handed.
A small sign of encouragement for OSU fans; Nate Savino, a plus pitching prospect from Potomoc Valley HS in Sterling, VA. is generally ranked as one of the top 4-5 prep pitching prospects for the 2020 draft. At 6'3" and 195 with a 4 pitch arsenal and pin-point control, he was being projected as a mid-late first round pick by the scouting services. He was ranked ahead of Mick Abel in two of the rankings I saw.
Savino, like Mick is an excellent student, graduated at mid-year and promptly enrolled at the University of Virginia on a baseball scholarship. He wanted the college experience and to mature. The MLB Draft will have to wait until 2022 to select young Mr. Savino.
That sounds like a wise decision to me.
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Post by shelby on Feb 12, 2020 7:25:48 GMT -8
Be interesting to hear opinion from Adley since he did the college thing ( at the highest level, with a premier program ), and he has now had time at the pro level. I think he would say that it's a totally different experience and that the college piece prepared him for that . Number one, it's a grind and, number two, it's run like a business.
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Post by Angus on Feb 12, 2020 8:15:01 GMT -8
Be interesting to hear opinion from Adley since he did the college thing ( at the highest level, with a premier program ), and he has now had time at the pro level. I think he would say that it's a totally different experience and that the college piece prepared him for that . Number one, it's a grind and, number two, it's run like a business. Number three, $8,000,000.00+ |
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Post by shelby on Feb 12, 2020 10:02:24 GMT -8
Yes , money is certainly a big draw ... but, playing ball at different levels has a lot of challenges that can wear on you .
The ups and downs , the constant doubt , the slumps , the minor league travel grind, etc, etc .
Also that 8 million can go in a hurry - agent cut , taxes, initial spends on house, cars , if married , etc.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 12, 2020 10:03:09 GMT -8
Be interesting to hear opinion from Adley since he did the college thing ( at the highest level, with a premier program ), and he has now had time at the pro level. I think he would say that it's a totally different experience and that the college piece prepared him for that . Number one, it's a grind and, number two, it's run like a business. Except AR really doesn't know the grind... been around 37 games plus practices and no Spring Training. Last year was more the intro publicity tour. He'll get the full dose starting soon. |
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Post by shelby on Feb 12, 2020 10:17:08 GMT -8
Agreed - he's such an exemplary spokesman that it would be great to hear him support the college first route and maybe help reel Abel in .
Depends on kids financial situation !
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 12, 2020 10:23:19 GMT -8
Agreed - he's such an exemplary spokesman that it would be great to hear him support the college first route and maybe help reel Abel in . Depends on kids financial situation ! AR was not a top 10 pick out of HS. Not a lot of financial upside for Abel to go to college and a lot of risk for potential injury. I'd be shocked if we saw him here. I know a few other 1st rounders have opted for college recently, but it's still rare. |
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Post by shelby on Feb 12, 2020 10:29:56 GMT -8
Yep - understood , would just be great to see another Beaver success story . Not the money driver , but a kid that could GO, but opts to go the college route and gets EVEN better , and more prepared for the next level !
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Post by kersting13 on Feb 12, 2020 11:41:07 GMT -8
Yep - understood , would just be great to see another Beaver success story . Not the money driver , but a kid that could GO, but opts to go the college route and gets EVEN better , and more prepared for the next level ! If you're a pitcher, I think you'd be pretty foolish to eschew 1st round signing money - those UCL's pop all the time, and it's a few million $$ down the drain. There's less risk as a position player - Madrigal did pretty well for himself by making it clear he would be going to college, and getting himself into the top 5. |
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Post by Angus on Feb 12, 2020 11:51:23 GMT -8
Yes , money is certainly a big draw ... but, playing ball at different levels has a lot of challenges that can wear on you . The ups and downs , the constant doubt , the slumps , the minor league travel grind, etc, etc . Also that 8 million can go in a hurry - agent cut , taxes, initial spends on house, cars , if married , etc. AR was drafted by the Seattle Mariners in the 40th round out of high school in 2016. I assume he could have signed for 100K. He chose to go to OSU and with the guidance of the Beaver coaching staff he parlayed that 100k into 8.1 million. His decision to attend OSU made him $8,000,000.00. The economics with M. Abel is quite different. |
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Post by Angus on Feb 12, 2020 12:04:20 GMT -8
Garrett Cole comes to mind. Cole was drafted in the first round of the 2008 MLB draft by the NY Yankees and chose to attend UCLA instead of MILB. He played 3 years at UCLA before being selected the number 1 overall in the 2011 MLB draft by the Pirates. He became a free agent at the end of 2019 and just signed a $324 million contract with no other than the NY Yankees.
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Post by shelby on Feb 12, 2020 14:41:12 GMT -8
Perfect example !
Thx
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 12, 2020 14:43:44 GMT -8
Yep - understood , would just be great to see another Beaver success story . Not the money driver , but a kid that could GO, but opts to go the college route and gets EVEN better , and more prepared for the next level ! In a true sense it wouldn't a "Beaver success story" as he might not match his current draft position coming out after his Jr year unless he had a stellar career. And, even then it would depend on the careers of others and the HS pitchers that are ready. Adley developed into a 1/1, this kid is a 1st rounder unless something scares teams off by June... injury, greed, etc. The one thing going in favor of OSU landing him is the lack of success of many HS pitching draftees and the "meat market" that the draft is for young arms vs the college experience/program he can be part of here in Corvallis. Either way, OSU will be used as leverage. Unfortunately some parents overplay that card. MLB will always have plenty of arms to draw on, and there is no guarantee on any specific draft position being the one that makes the Club. So, unless they go to a JC, kids are (3) years removed from making $$. They are at the mercy of the baseball "gods" and program when it comes to development and injury. And, in (3) years who knows what other pitchers are draft eligible and how you might now fit in. Plus, you and your family are going into "debt" for three years of schooling and all that goes with it for a MAYBE return on the investment. Other than being a fan of the college program, anyone else would say take the first round money and see what happens. A kid can always go back to school for an education. And, in the long run high level ball is high level ball, so why not get millions why you can?! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 12, 2020 14:48:34 GMT -8
Not quite the same... look into the $$ available for his slot today vs 2008! 2008... 28th Slot... ~ $1.2 mil 2019... 28th Slot... ~ $2.5 mil My guess is Cole makes a different decision 11 years later. But, not many are going to expect to go 1/1 even from 1/15... Cole just happened to excel at UCLA and hit it right. League actually had (4) 1st Rd pitchers taken in 2011 draft. |
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 12, 2020 15:07:09 GMT -8
Yes , money is certainly a big draw ... but, playing ball at different levels has a lot of challenges that can wear on you . The ups and downs , the constant doubt , the slumps , the minor league travel grind, etc, etc . Also that 8 million can go in a hurry - agent cut , taxes, initial spends on house, cars , if married , etc. AR was drafted by the Seattle Mariners in the 40th round out of high school in 2016. I assume he could have signed for 100K. He chose to go to OSU and with the guidance of the Beaver coaching staff he parlayed that 100k into 8.1 million. His decision to attend OSU made him $8,000,000.00. The economics with M. Abel is quite different. Adley, I think, would have been drafted a lot higher out of high school had he not made it clear that he was going to OSU. I think the Mariner's pick was more of a "do well and we will be looking for you". Not their fault Adley was so much better, and they weren't so bad, come draft time 3 years later. |
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