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Post by kersting13 on Dec 12, 2019 9:17:47 GMT -8
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 12, 2019 13:37:29 GMT -8
Like football and basketball there are a lot of free college feeder teams.
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Post by pitbeavs on Dec 12, 2019 15:44:09 GMT -8
Those the young pup posters, in the 60s MLB had a minor league system that included AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and rookie. Then they discovered that the college system could do the work of the lower levels, at no cost to the MLB franchises. What they need is more MiLB teams, not fewer. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 12, 2019 17:02:34 GMT -8
Those the young pup posters, in the 60s MLB had a minor league system that included AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and rookie. Then they discovered that the college system could do the work of the lower levels, at no cost to the MLB franchises. What they need is more MiLB teams, not fewer. Currently every MLB team has one AAA, AA, A+, and A team, and at least 1 short season A, or advanced rookie A, at least 1 AZL or GCL rookie, and at least one DSL team. Every MLB team had between 7 and 9 teams, although most with 9 had 2 DSL teams. As best as I can tell, there were 243 minor league teams, 45 of which were DSL teams, so 198 US based MiLB teams. The 42 "contracted" teams come from the 198 US based teams. If you're a small town, losing a long-time minor league affiliate would really suck. Billings, MT has been a Cincinnati Reds affiliate since 1974, and has had a team since 1948. Chattanooga has had teams dating back to 1932 (with some minor gaps). |
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Post by ricke71 on Dec 12, 2019 17:17:55 GMT -8
Those the young pup posters, in the 60s MLB had a minor league system that included AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and rookie. Then they discovered that the college system could do the work of the lower levels, at no cost to the MLB franchises. What they need is more MiLB teams, not fewer. Currently every MLB team has one AAA, AA, A+, and A team, and at least 1 short season A, or advanced rookie A, at least 1 AZL or GCL rookie, and at least one DSL team. Every MLB team had between 7 and 9 teams, although most with 9 had 2 DSL teams. As best as I can tell, there were 243 minor league teams, 45 of which were DSL teams, so 198 US based MiLB teams. The 42 "contracted" teams come from the 198 US based teams. If you're a small town, losing a long-time minor league affiliate would really suck. Billings, MT has been a Cincinnati Reds affiliate since 1974, and has had a team since 1948. Chattanooga has had teams dating back to 1932 (with some minor gaps). Does this mean that wood-bat College Summer Leagues become the new 'low' minors ?? |
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 12, 2019 18:41:20 GMT -8
Bingo on the wood bat summer leagues.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 12, 2019 19:12:09 GMT -8
Those the young pup posters, in the 60s MLB had a minor league system that included AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and rookie. Then they discovered that the college system could do the work of the lower levels, at no cost to the MLB franchises. What they need is more MiLB teams, not fewer. I started learning about the minor leagues in around 1970. In about '75 I subscribed to the Sporting News and could tell you every affiliate at every level. So I know there use to be "B", "C", and "D" leagues (the 30's through 50's?). But I dont know how different that is from the three levels of "A" ball now and the two levels of "rookie." I think the independent leagues fill some of that gap along with wood bat college leagues. So counting those teams, there may be more minor league teams than 70 years ago. A bit related, I think that one of the things that could be done to improve baseball is establish a better pay scale at AA and AAA. Create some sort of a baby pension system for time at those levels. As a thought, 80K min for AAA and 50K min for AA. The money would have to come from the MLB players association and the owners so it seems highly infeasible. But if it were implemented, I think more young athletes would go to baseball instead of other sports and the level of play would rise. It would create more stability in the high minors and fans of those teams would feel a bit more ownership in their team. You would have some guys stick 3 to 5 years in at a AAA team. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 13, 2019 15:18:45 GMT -8
Those the young pup posters, in the 60s MLB had a minor league system that included AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and rookie. Then they discovered that the college system could do the work of the lower levels, at no cost to the MLB franchises. What they need is more MiLB teams, not fewer. I started learning about the minor leagues in around 1970. In about '75 I subscribed to the Sporting News and could tell you every affiliate at every level. So I know there use to be "B", "C", and "D" leagues (the 30's through 50's?). But I dont know how different that is from the three levels of "A" ball now and the two levels of "rookie." I think the independent leagues fill some of that gap along with wood bat college leagues. So counting those teams, there may be more minor league teams than 70 years ago. A bit related, I think that one of the things that could be done to improve baseball is establish a better pay scale at AA and AAA. Create some sort of a baby pension system for time at those levels. As a thought, 80K min for AAA and 50K min for AA. The money would have to come from the MLB players association and the owners so it seems highly infeasible. But if it were implemented, I think more young athletes would go to baseball instead of other sports and the level of play would rise. It would create more stability in the high minors and fans of those teams would feel a bit more ownership in their team. You would have some guys stick 3 to 5 years in at a AAA team. B, C, and D existed from 1902-1962. There was even an E for part of 1943. In response to the growing threat that the PCL was going to form the independent Continental League, a third Major League Baseball League, and to curb the power of AAA baseball in general, the MLB expanded from 16 teams in 1960 to 20 teams in 1962, which shrank AAA. In response, A was promoted to AA. B and most of C and D became A. The worst C and D leagues became Rookie. Over time, the best of B, C, and D became A+. The worst of B became A-. A is now made up of most of the average D leagues. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 13, 2019 15:46:19 GMT -8
If MLB isn’t earning back their investment in MiLB then you can’t blame them for wanting to operate as efficiently as possible. Admittedly I’m an outsider who hasn’t attended a MiLB game in decades. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Dec 13, 2019 16:47:25 GMT -8
I also noticed that the MLB draft will now be held in Omaha in conjunction with the College World Series. Confirming that the MLB is looking more to link up with the momentum that College baseball has established and get more free player development pre draft. Smart buisness move and I think it will be good for College Baseball, talent level should continue to rise. Might not be so good for all of those Minor league teams and players.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 14, 2019 21:34:23 GMT -8
If MLB isn’t earning back their investment in MiLB then you can’t blame them for wanting to operate as efficiently as possible. Admittedly I’m an outsider who hasn’t attended a MiLB game in decades. I'm guessing that MLB is undervaluing the goodwill they create by having more MiLB teams. I would venture to guess that the # of MLB fans they create by having more affiliates likely offsets any minimal losses they may be taking from operating the short-season teams. Losing teams in Salem & the Tri-Cities area won't be creating more fans out of young kids in those areas. A lot of the places losing MiLB teams are places where people don't have easy access to real MLB teams. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 14, 2019 23:06:28 GMT -8
I also noticed that the MLB draft will now be held in Omaha in conjunction with the College World Series. Confirming that the MLB is looking more to link up with the momentum that College baseball has established and get more free player development pre draft. Smart buisness move and I think it will be good for College Baseball, talent level should continue to rise. Might not be so good for all of those Minor league teams and players. Whoa! That is huge news! They moved the draft back nine days from between the Regionals and Supers (the 2019 draft started on the Monday of Regionals and concluded on the Wednesday between Regionals and the Supers) to between the Supers and College World Series. (The 2020 draft starts on the Wednesday between the Supers and College World Series and ends on the College World Series Opening Celebration Day.) That will give all of the players a lot more to play for in the Supers. |
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Post by chinmusic on Dec 16, 2019 9:24:43 GMT -8
The negotiations between MLB and MiLB are now contentious. Manfred has threatened ending all Minor League affiliation and support, and the Minor League's serious pushback is making it ugly. The loss of MiLB would be incredibly damaging to professional baseball, but profitable for every MLB franchise.
The issue of cost-sharing in player development is at the root of these negotiations. Taking on more expense would cripple many of the narrow margin minor league clubs. MLB has the where with all to provide consulting and support for those 42 teams included in Manfred's elimination proposal. If you can sign a player to a $3000 mil contract, you should be able to assist an ailing minor league franchise in becoming viable again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 9:34:49 GMT -8
The negotiations between MLB and MiLB are now contentious. Manfred has threatened ending all Minor League affiliation and support, and the Minor League's serious pushback is making it ugly. The loss of MiLB would be incredibly damaging to professional baseball, but profitable for every MLB franchise. The issue of cost-sharing in player development is at the root of these negotiations. Taking on more expense would cripple many of the narrow margin minor league clubs. MLB has the where with all to provide consulting and support for those 42 teams included in Manfred's elimination proposal. If you can sign a player to a $3000 mil contract, you should be able to assist an ailing minor league franchise in becoming viable again. So it seems there is a natural alliance between the Minor League reps and the NCAA, right? MLB is using college ball as a proxy minor league, but college ball is way underfunded and receives nothing from MLB for the training pool it provides. Also, the college players will have their prospects vastly reduced with fewer or no minor leagues. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 16, 2019 9:35:35 GMT -8
The negotiations between MLB and MiLB are now contentious. Manfred has threatened ending all Minor League affiliation and support, and the Minor League's serious pushback is making it ugly. The loss of MiLB would be incredibly damaging to professional baseball, but profitable for every MLB franchise. The issue of cost-sharing in player development is at the root of these negotiations. Taking on more expense would cripple many of the narrow margin minor league clubs. MLB has the where with all to provide consulting and support for those 42 teams included in Manfred's elimination proposal. If you can sign a player to a $3000 mil contract, you should be able to assist an ailing minor league franchise in becoming viable again. Again, I think this would be an EXTREMELY short view. MLB would absolutely be more profitable if they stopped supporting MiLB teams/players in the short term. Of course, at a time when they are losing younger fans, taking away probably their #1 breeding ground for building new fans would be an incredibly stupid move for the long game. Unless the end game MLB is looking for is to take control of all of the minor league teams, I don't see ANY way that they could end Minor League affiliation & support. I mean, there is $$ to be made at the minor league level, but I didn't think it would be enough for MLB to want a piece of, although I'm no expert on MiLB profits margins. |
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