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Post by kersting13 on Oct 18, 2019 14:55:15 GMT -8
Craziest part of this reported idea seems to be that they're saying they'll eliminate the short-season teams. I doubt this comes to fruition, but if it did, I think it would pump a lot of talent into the NCAA, and MLB could use colleges more in the same way the NFL and NBA do it. I think it's very short-sighted, since I think MLB would lose more fans in the long run by eliminating a large number of minor league teams. They would mitigate the problem a bit, I would think, by having a lot more guys at "extended spring training" at their rookie league complexes, but eliminating the NW League, Pioneer League, Appalachian League, NY/Penn League, and the AZL/GCL and perhaps even the DSL? That's a lot of 17-21 year-old ballplayers NOT playing competitive games, or they'll be moving up to full-season ball a little before they're ready.
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 19, 2019 0:44:47 GMT -8
And a lot of cities losing a big part of their summers. Say what you will, the Eugene Emeralds draw A lot more people than the lsdtr.
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 19, 2019 7:59:42 GMT -8
The happy note is that the proposal is to cut back to 120 teams. A quick check shows that the team with the LOWEST attendance in the NWL is ranked 119. (Vancouver ranks 24th, ahead of seven PCL teams.) The NWL league is probably safe, although it might get dinged for the long bus rides.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 20, 2019 11:09:45 GMT -8
The happy note is that the proposal is to cut back to 120 teams. A quick check shows that the team with the LOWEST attendance in the NWL is ranked 119. (Vancouver ranks 24th, ahead of seven PCL teams.) The NWL league is probably safe, although it might get dinged for the long bus rides. From reading some other articles, it sounds like they'd keep the AZL and GCL rookie leagues, so it actually sounds like they really want to eliminate the other short season leagues like NWL, APPY, NYPL, etc. All of the short-season leagues that are mostly 1st year college players, and HS/latin kids that have graduated from the DSL/AZL/GCL leagues. It really does sound like they want to use colleges like MLB and NFL use colleges. It's probably grandstanding for the negotiations, but who knows? |
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Post by zeroposter on Oct 20, 2019 11:23:55 GMT -8
I don't think it is grandstanding. As was noted in the article, MLB is reacting to the class action lawsuit. Anyway, this is interesting and will have big impacts on college ball.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 20, 2019 11:36:07 GMT -8
I don't think it is grandstanding. As was noted in the article, MLB is reacting to the class action lawsuit. Anyway, this is interesting and will have big impacts on college ball. Effects... college as more draft eligible Jrs staying put... the draft as there will be no need to fill rosters of 40 teams/800+ spots... players as those with little promise to go to the MLB level will have no where to play post college. It'll be intriguing if independent leagues will sprout up. Not sure the $ make too much sense in the NWL? |
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Post by pitbeavs on Oct 20, 2019 13:31:59 GMT -8
Craziest part of this reported idea seems to be that they're saying they'll eliminate the short-season teams. I doubt this comes to fruition, but if it did, I think it would pump a lot of talent into the NCAA, and MLB could use colleges more in the same way the NFL and NBA do it. I think it's very short-sighted, since I think MLB would lose more fans in the long run by eliminating a large number of minor league teams. They would mitigate the problem a bit, I would think, by having a lot more guys at "extended spring training" at their rookie league complexes, but eliminating the NW League, Pioneer League, Appalachian League, NY/Penn League, and the AZL/GCL and perhaps even the DSL? That's a lot of 17-21 year-old ballplayers NOT playing competitive games, or they'll be moving up to full-season ball a little before they're ready.
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Post by chinmusic on Oct 20, 2019 14:42:00 GMT -8
In the proposal, the NWL would move to full-season Class A.
Some Class A would move to AAA and conversely, some AAA teams would end up at Advanced A.
Re-shuffling the deck!
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 20, 2019 14:57:50 GMT -8
In the proposal, the NWL would move to full-season Class A. Some Class A would move to AAA and conversely, some AAA teams would end up at Advanced A. Re-shuffling the deck! Not sure if Salem/Volcano can handle a full season. The place is a quagmire until May. They fit in some HS games but it's quite sloppy and not really at A long season level of play. Not sure crowds will show until nice weather shows. It's a stretch for a club like the Giants that have much better options for a long season A team. |
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Post by chinmusic on Oct 20, 2019 19:10:14 GMT -8
I would think the existing league makeup would be subject to change. The proposal lists the NWL as one they want to keep, but doesn't specify what the new makeup might look like. I know the overall attendance in the NWL is very good for SS-A with Vancouver out-drawing many AAA affiliates.
Entirely possible that one or two existing teams are replaced by stronger locations with more favorable weather.
The Bend Volcanos ?
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Post by pitbeavs on Oct 20, 2019 19:29:41 GMT -8
In the proposal, the NWL would move to full-season Class A. Some Class A would move to AAA and conversely, some AAA teams would end up at Advanced A. Re-shuffling the deck! Not sure if Salem/Volcano can handle a full season. The place is a quagmire until May. They fit in some HS games but it's quite sloppy and not really at A long season level of play. Not sure crowds will show until nice weather shows. It's a stretch for a club like the Giants that have much better options for a long season A team. Quagmire until May? The Beavers are playing home games in March, some at Volcano Stadium. So, it's not inconceivable. |
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Post by sagebrush on Oct 20, 2019 20:19:56 GMT -8
Bring A ball back to Bend. Might be a little cold, but it is generally dry . Valley HS teams frequently come to Central Oregon in early OOC games.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 20, 2019 22:48:38 GMT -8
Not sure if Salem/Volcano can handle a full season. The place is a quagmire until May. They fit in some HS games but it's quite sloppy and not really at A long season level of play. Not sure crowds will show until nice weather shows. It's a stretch for a club like the Giants that have much better options for a long season A team. Quagmire until May? The Beavers are playing home games in March, some at Volcano Stadium. So, it's not inconceivable. OSU plays one game there some years. OSU play on turf not all grass with questionable drainage. Volcano holds water. It can be a mud pit much of the Spring. Come watch the HS teams play in Spring Break... see if you think it's MiLB level. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Oct 21, 2019 0:44:47 GMT -8
Quagmire until May? The Beavers are playing home games in March, some at Volcano Stadium. So, it's not inconceivable. OSU plays one game there some years. OSU play on turf not all grass with questionable drainage. Volcano holds water. It can be a mud pit much of the Spring. Come watch the HS teams play in Spring Break... see if you think it's MiLB level. The game is usually against U Portland. Last year, it was in Hillsboro. But it's usually in March. Yes, turf was added in 2015. Prior to that, OSU routinely hosted teams as early as the first week in March. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 21, 2019 4:10:45 GMT -8
Bring A ball back to Bend. Might be a little cold, but it is generally dry . Valley HS teams frequently come to Central Oregon in early OOC games. Vince Genna is a dump. It is nowhere close to being an acceptable professional baseball venue, and would take an infusion of millions of dollars to make it so. |
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