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Post by seastape on Oct 12, 2019 22:53:35 GMT -8
It always sucks when the Beavs lose and were never even in the game...we got shredded. There was nothing OSU could do in any phase of the game that could keep up with what Utah had to combat it. The Utes have good lines, senior offensive leaders at QB and RB and their typical outstanding defense and strong special teams. They were also predicted by most to win the Pac 12 south if not the whole league by a few.
Not a bad team to get too upset over a bad loss since we are still struggling to get back to being a decent team. Right now, OSU is essentially the second worst team in the Pac 12 and one of the best teams in the Pac 12 just steamrolled us. It happens. There's still opportunity to get some good games in.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 5:03:56 GMT -8
It always sucks when the Beavs lose and were never even in the game...we got shredded. There was nothing OSU could do in any phase of the game that could keep up with what Utah had to combat it. The Utes have good lines, senior offensive leaders at QB and RB and their typical outstanding defense and strong special teams. They were also predicted by most to win the Pac 12 south if not the whole league by a few. Not a bad team to get too upset over a bad loss since we are still struggling to get back to being a decent team. Right now, OSU is essentially the second worst team in the Pac 12 and one of the best teams in the Pac 12 just steamrolled us. It happens. There's still opportunity to get some good games in. No Do you even know you are rationalizing? That was beyond embarrasing and totally unacceptable. Totally unprepared and manhandled. I wonder if lame duck pres is still hanging around. The new pres had better think about ways to rescue the public face of the univ. |
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Post by seastape on Oct 13, 2019 8:48:13 GMT -8
It always sucks when the Beavs lose and were never even in the game...we got shredded. There was nothing OSU could do in any phase of the game that could keep up with what Utah had to combat it. The Utes have good lines, senior offensive leaders at QB and RB and their typical outstanding defense and strong special teams. They were also predicted by most to win the Pac 12 south if not the whole league by a few. Not a bad team to get too upset over a bad loss since we are still struggling to get back to being a decent team. Right now, OSU is essentially the second worst team in the Pac 12 and one of the best teams in the Pac 12 just steamrolled us. It happens. There's still opportunity to get some good games in. No Do you even know you are rationalizing? That was beyond embarrasing and totally unacceptable. Totally unprepared and manhandled. I wonder if lame duck pres is still hanging around. The new pres had better think about ways to rescue the public face of the univ. I suppose I am rationalizing the whole thing. At the same time, I figured that, going into the season OSU was going to get beat down pretty badly at least a couple of times this year. If it's going to happen, and I figured that it would, Utah isn't a bad team to have it happen from. They look strong...really strong. At the end of the season, Utah might be wondering what could have been if they had just shown up against SC. I certainly was disappointed with the offensive showing in the game. Defense...I'm not surprised at all. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 13, 2019 8:59:01 GMT -8
The team wasn't ready to play. Luton had all of the weekly awards in his head. Utah knew what he was going to do before he did it.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 13, 2019 9:01:50 GMT -8
It was pretty evident Utah had two weeks to watch our tape. Every audible into a running play was picked up on.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 13, 2019 9:55:12 GMT -8
It always sucks when the Beavs lose and were never even in the game...we got shredded. There was nothing OSU could do in any phase of the game that could keep up with what Utah had to combat it. The Utes have good lines, senior offensive leaders at QB and RB and their typical outstanding defense and strong special teams. They were also predicted by most to win the Pac 12 south if not the whole league by a few. Not a bad team to get too upset over a bad loss since we are still struggling to get back to being a decent team. Right now, OSU is essentially the second worst team in the Pac 12 and one of the best teams in the Pac 12 just steamrolled us. It happens. There's still opportunity to get some good games in. No Do you even know you are rationalizing? That was beyond embarrasing and totally unacceptable. Totally unprepared and manhandled. I wonder if lame duck pres is still hanging around. The new pres had better think about ways to rescue the public face of the univ. He is.... showed face at tailgater across from Reser. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 13, 2019 11:23:33 GMT -8
So....it's ALL lame duck pres's fault? If you say, "yes," OK. Just tell (and, by that I mean PROVE it) me how it's ALL his fault. I'm not close enough to know. I don't have as much Beaver pedigree as some here. Maybe most. I dunno. My dad worked at OSU from 1970-1987. Both my sons are OSU grads. One in '03, and the other in '07. The family truly bleeds orange. Maybe you're all right, and LDP is THE culprit. Maybe he purposely sabotaged the athletic dept. for....God knows.....reasons I'm not privy to. BeaverNation, as a whole should accept ahelluvalot of the responsibility, don't you think? INCLUDING myself. I "lost" the passion at the end of '13, and I can't seem to muster an awakening. I've had numerous chances to attend Reser this year, and I just don't want to expend the energy. The "crowd" was pitiful, and THAT after winning a PAC 12 game, ON THE ROAD last week against the hated chimp-belly, and fucla. It appears as though not a lot of folks really gave a beaver damn. Not ahelluvalot of excitement around the program. If you want to argue that, OK. It was "just one game," but it WAS the worst beat-down of a Beaver team AT HOME since '91. As bad as some of those teams were, none of them EVER quit. It looked a lot like the team quit, yesterday, to me. Is that LDP's fault, too? I guess I didn't see this one coming. I've been around long enough to know....first game was in Sept. of 1970, when I was 12...... when there is palpable, real excitement in the air, and good reason for it. For MOST of the years from '95/'96 to '13, I felt it, and I honestly haven't since. Is it ME, or something else? I suppose I just bared my Beaver soul.
I believe there are A LOT like me, out there.
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Post by nabeav on Oct 13, 2019 11:43:01 GMT -8
The team wasn't ready to play. Luton had all of the weekly awards in his head. Utah knew what he was going to do before he did it. So did I. Look for Hodgins. Utah’s D was so good he rarely had time to go through progressions. Luton is a good QB. What last night showed me is that we still aren’t PAC-12 level with our backups. We were essentially down five of our top 6 LBs, right? We couldn’t do much to make Utah uncomfortable without those guys. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 13, 2019 12:49:48 GMT -8
So....it's ALL lame duck pres's fault? If you say, "yes," OK. Just tell (and, by that I mean PROVE it) me how it's ALL his fault. I'm not close enough to know. I don't have as much Beaver pedigree as some here. Maybe most. I dunno. My dad worked at OSU from 1970-1987. Both my sons are OSU grads. One in '03, and the other in '07. The family truly bleeds orange. Maybe you're all right, and LDP is THE culprit. Maybe he purposely sabotaged the athletic dept. for....God knows.....reasons I'm not privy to. BeaverNation, as a whole should accept ahelluvalot of the responsibility, don't you think? INCLUDING myself. I "lost" the passion at the end of '13, and I can't seem to muster an awakening. I've had numerous chances to attend Reser this year, and I just don't want to expend the energy. The "crowd" was pitiful, and THAT after winning a PAC 12 game, ON THE ROAD last week against the hated chimp-belly, and fucla. It appears as though not a lot of folks really gave a beaver damn. Not ahelluvalot of excitement around the program. If you want to argue that, OK. It was "just one game," but it WAS the worst beat-down of a Beaver team AT HOME since '91. As bad as some of those teams were, none of them EVER quit. It looked a lot like the team quit, yesterday, to me. Is that LDP's fault, too? I guess I didn't see this one coming. I've been around long enough to know....first game was in Sept. of 1970, when I was 12...... when there is palpable, real excitement in the air, and good reason for it. For MOST of the years from '95/'96 to '13, I felt it, and I honestly haven't since. Is it ME, or something else? I suppose I just bared my Beaver soul. I believe there are A LOT like me, out there. Not sure how this post was gleaned from anything posted previously?? |
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Post by greshambeaver on Oct 13, 2019 12:57:11 GMT -8
The team wasn't ready to play. Luton had all of the weekly awards in his head. Utah knew what he was going to do before he did it. So did I. Look for Hodgins. Utah’s D was so good he rarely had time to go through progressions. Luton is a good QB. What last night showed me is that we still aren’t PAC-12 level with our backups. We were essentially down five of our top 6 LBs, right? We couldn’t do much to make Utah uncomfortable without those guys. |
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Post by greshambeaver on Oct 13, 2019 13:04:05 GMT -8
It was an extremely poor game from almost every standpoint. I don't think the team was well prepared at all. Not sure that was entirely on the coaching staff, but when you come into a game like that it is ultimately on the staff. Luton was terrible, but he didn't have much time so whatever, it was just a mess. It still baffles me how a guy 6'7" can get so many batted down passes, not being a QB coach I can't really tell the reason, can anyone tell us if it's his point of delivery or is it the lack of quickness/snap in his throws?
We were out of that one after the first Quarter, but at least we got to see a bit of Gebbia at the end, I wish he had been used a little earlier!
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 13, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -8
It seems multiple folks mention tipped and batted throws by Luton using his height as a reason it shouldn't occur often.
Luton may release throws anywhere from 6'2" to 6'8" from the playing surface. Most balls have some degree of elevation but not significant in the 1st 2-3 yards. Defenders have arms... they jump... they are taught to engage and release if they can't get to the QB. On release to read the QB's face mask and get in the throwing windows. Depending on the DL they can reach 8-9'+ high.
Most elite QBs get many passes tipped or batted during a season. But, they are elite because they are excellent at finding throwing lanes. But, even then, lanes can close as the arms of a DL don't remain stationary.
Fans often see "wide open" receivers and wonder why they weren't hit. Or why balls are behind, over thrown, etc. Some are just bad reads and throws, but many times there is no clear window to deliver the ball. Add pre-snap reads, route adjustments, defensive adjustments, and then going thru progressions... IF there is time... well there's a lot more to it than what the fan sees.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 13, 2019 14:17:59 GMT -8
It was an extremely poor game from almost every standpoint. I don't think the team was well prepared at all. Not sure that was entirely on the coaching staff, but when you come into a game like that it is ultimately on the staff. Luton was terrible, but he didn't have much time so whatever, it was just a mess. It still baffles me how a guy 6'7" can get so many batted down passes, not being a QB coach I can't really tell the reason, can anyone tell us if it's his point of delivery or is it the lack of quickness/snap in his throws? We were out of that one after the first Quarter, but at least we got to see a bit of Gebbia at the end, I wish he had been used a little earlier! If Luton isn't going long, he throws the ball "downward", making it easier to knock down. It's definitely the delivery. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 13, 2019 14:23:53 GMT -8
So....it's ALL lame duck pres's fault? If you say, "yes," OK. Just tell (and, by that I mean PROVE it) me how it's ALL his fault. I'm not close enough to know. I don't have as much Beaver pedigree as some here. Maybe most. I dunno. My dad worked at OSU from 1970-1987. Both my sons are OSU grads. One in '03, and the other in '07. The family truly bleeds orange. Maybe you're all right, and LDP is THE culprit. Maybe he purposely sabotaged the athletic dept. for....God knows.....reasons I'm not privy to. BeaverNation, as a whole should accept ahelluvalot of the responsibility, don't you think? INCLUDING myself. I "lost" the passion at the end of '13, and I can't seem to muster an awakening. I've had numerous chances to attend Reser this year, and I just don't want to expend the energy. The "crowd" was pitiful, and THAT after winning a PAC 12 game, ON THE ROAD last week against the hated chimp-belly, and fucla. It appears as though not a lot of folks really gave a beaver damn. Not ahelluvalot of excitement around the program. If you want to argue that, OK. It was "just one game," but it WAS the worst beat-down of a Beaver team AT HOME since '91. As bad as some of those teams were, none of them EVER quit. It looked a lot like the team quit, yesterday, to me. Is that LDP's fault, too? I guess I didn't see this one coming. I've been around long enough to know....first game was in Sept. of 1970, when I was 12...... when there is palpable, real excitement in the air, and good reason for it. For MOST of the years from '95/'96 to '13, I felt it, and I honestly haven't since. Is it ME, or something else? I suppose I just bared my Beaver soul. I believe there are A LOT like me, out there. Not sure how this post was gleaned from anything posted previously?? Oh, hell.... I dunno, Baseball. I saw the post regarding Dr Ray, and used it as a segue..... poorly, I guess. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 13, 2019 14:30:04 GMT -8
It seems multiple folks mention tipped and batted throws by Luton using his height as a reason it shouldn't occur often. Luton may release throws anywhere from 6'2" to 6'8" from the playing surface. Most balls have some degree of elevation but not significant in the 1st 2-3 yards. Defenders have arms... they jump... they are taught to engage and release if they can't get to the QB. On release to read the QB's face mask and get in the throwing windows. Depending on the DL they can reach 8-9'+ high. Most elite QBs get many passes tipped or batted during a season. But, they are elite because they are excellent at finding throwing lanes. But, even then, lanes can close as the arms of a DL don't remain stationary. Fans often see "wide open" receivers and wonder why they weren't hit. Or why balls are behind, over thrown, etc. Some are just bad reads and throws, but many times there is no clear window to deliver the ball. Add pre-snap reads, route adjustments, defensive adjustments, and then going thru progressions... IF there is time... well there's a lot more to it than what the fan sees. As this decade has gone on, it seems like front 7's are being taught more and more to anticipate throws and to identify and close down throwing lanes. If Luton had been playing in 2009, he probably has far fewer batted balls than Luton in 2019. |
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