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Post by Mike84 on Aug 28, 2019 9:20:38 GMT -8
...seriously, short of a win, what do you need to see in the final score to give you hope for the rest of the season?
The Beavers are currently about 14-point underdogs. Given the way some games went last season and how our defense will need to have drastically improved to slow down OkSt, I'm thinking a lot of Beaver fans would not find a 14-point loss to be the worst-case scenario. Then again, just like always, it would depend on how it happened. If the Beavers were in a position to win and then lost by 14, that would not make too many fans happy.
Rather than just thinking about the final point spread, I find myself thinking about each side of the ball separately. OkSt averaged 38.4 ppg last season and the Beavers gave up an average of 45.7 ppg last season. Although I hate to think about it in this way, I'd say that having our defense hold OkSt to 40 or less would be a positive. Hold the Cowboys to 35 or less and I'll say that's a good day by our defense.
The Beavers averaged 26.3 ppg last season and OkSt gave up an average of 32.4 ppg last season. If the Beaver offense can score 27 or more, I'd say that is a positive. Score 30 or more and I'll say that's a good day by our offense.
So, if things go just OK, but not like we'd hope, it would be something like 40-27 OkSt. If that's the final result, depending on how it happens, I would not be elated but I would also not be too down on the outlook for the rest of the season. I would sort of still be in a wait-and-see mode with still some irrational optimism that things might continue to improve.
If things go well for us on both sides of the ball, it would be something like 35-30 OkSt....and at that point a fired up home crowd and maybe a few breaks going our way and the Beavers could win a game in the 30's. A close loss would be painful but given enough time to recover fans would probably have a positive outlook on the rest of the season. A win, close or not, will have fans thinking that maybe, just maybe, a winning season is in the cards.
Go Beavs!
Mike '84
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2019 9:49:57 GMT -8
Assuming the Cowboys score like they did last year, if we can hold the Cowboys to 38 that would mean our defense has greatly improved. Last year’s D would probably have given up 60 points. At 38 we’d be an average defense, that’s a big jump.
By the same token, if our offense doesn’t score 32 it’d probably be a below average offense.
Luckily this is a new season and both teams have had some changes and there’s no knowing what any team’s averages are going to look like. I’m thinking this game could be 46-38, with either team winning. The Cowboys will probably go to a bowl for the “Xth” straight year when it’s all said and done, if we win.... great, but if we lose by 2TDs or less there’s no reason to hang our heads. I’m thinking 1st games of the season are difficult to extrapolate how a season will go. I’m looking for competitiveness.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 28, 2019 9:53:13 GMT -8
...seriously, short of a win, what do you need to see in the final score to give you hope for the rest of the season?
The Beavers are currently about 14-point underdogs. Given the way some games went last season and how our defense will need to have drastically improved to slow down OkSt, I'm thinking a lot of Beaver fans would not find a 14-point loss to be the worst-case scenario. Then again, just like always, it would depend on how it happened. If the Beavers were in a position to win and then lost by 14, that would not make too many fans happy.
Rather than just thinking about the final point spread, I find myself thinking about each side of the ball separately. OkSt averaged 38.4 ppg last season and the Beavers gave up an average of 45.7 ppg last season. Although I hate to think about it in this way, I'd say that having our defense hold OkSt to 40 or less would be a positive. Hold the Cowboys to 35 or less and I'll say that's a good day by our defense.
The Beavers averaged 26.3 ppg last season and OkSt gave up an average of 32.4 ppg last season. If the Beaver offense can score 27 or more, I'd say that is a positive. Score 30 or more and I'll say that's a good day by our offense.
So, if things go just OK, but not like we'd hope, it would be something like 40-27 OkSt. If that's the final result, depending on how it happens, I would not be elated but I would also not be too down on the outlook for the rest of the season. I would sort of still be in a wait-and-see mode with still some irrational optimism that things might continue to improve.
If things go well for us on both sides of the ball, it would be something like 35-30 OkSt....and at that point a fired up home crowd and maybe a few breaks going our way and the Beavers could win a game in the 30's. A close loss would be painful but given enough time to recover fans would probably have a positive outlook on the rest of the season. A win, close or not, will have fans thinking that maybe, just maybe, a winning season is in the cards.
Go Beavs!
Mike '84
When Pettibone's last year happened and the offense was an absolute disaster, things seemed pretty dark. Riley came in and took everyone's names off the uniforms and had a pro-style offense in a league dominated by pro-style offense, and in 97 the league was pretty soft.. but the Beavs played some competitive football and they were in most games. In 98, there was a feeling that the Beavs were in every single game. I just want that feeling again. Hope. Optimism. The feeling that with some lucky bounces, we might get to watch the Beavs win the game before each one kicks off. It doesn't matter to me what the final score is, if the Beavs are still battling for the lead in the 4th Q at any point. That's what I'm hoping for. |
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Post by steinlager on Aug 28, 2019 10:03:25 GMT -8
I will be satisfied with our defense forcing some 3 and outs and basically not as allowing OK ST to succeed at will.
I will be dissatisfied if the Beavs offense can't execute.
If we aren't competitive I will be bummed out.
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Post by irimi on Aug 28, 2019 10:08:03 GMT -8
I caught part of the Canzano show on Monday afternoon, and wonder of wonders, he was talking up the Beavs. He actually said that he sees this game as a one score game, and the Beavs could very well be in it.
I'll be satisfied when our competitors and the journalists take the Beavs seriously. And that tide could be turning already.
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 28, 2019 10:40:44 GMT -8
Yeah, watching last years defense, flat out I knew what was going to happen 90% of the time. Just getting physically dominated until a few guys would get impatient and then a big play for a easy score.
I want to see guys hold their own and not get so easily frustrated. Make opposing offenses and make plays. Too often we just gave teams 14-21 points thru being out of position or taking horrible angles. Too often last year I saw the defense actually be in a game in the first quarter, miss a tackle or make a mistake offensively, then compound it by making a WAY worse play and give up a touchdown. Basically, I am looking for a more physical defense that plays with a little savvy. Rarely did I see our team doing the little stuff that adds up over the course of a game. Making a sure tackle instead of going for a highlight reel (and usually whiffing), pushing a guy out of bounds instead of risking the late hit on a sideline. Stuff like that just builds up over the course of the game so opponents can't just bank on you bailing them out of 3rd and long.
I expect consistency from the Offense. Being able to at least get a first down on most possessions against Pac12 teams. Against the worse defenses', they should regularly run 10+ play drives.
This, in turn, will do wonders for our defense.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 28, 2019 11:05:21 GMT -8
I am looking forward to seeing linebackers getting off blocks and arriving at the ball carrier with a NASTY attitude!!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by bennysdentist on Aug 28, 2019 11:17:46 GMT -8
I'm pretty satisfied that Mike84 is posting regularly on this board. I share his enthusiasm and often his viewpoint. Much better than the all-too frequent pissing contest many threads devolve into.
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Post by rafer on Aug 28, 2019 11:58:52 GMT -8
...seriously, short of a win, what do you need to see in the final score to give you hope for the rest of the season?
The Beavers are currently about 14-point underdogs. Given the way some games went last season and how our defense will need to have drastically improved to slow down OkSt, I'm thinking a lot of Beaver fans would not find a 14-point loss to be the worst-case scenario. Then again, just like always, it would depend on how it happened. If the Beavers were in a position to win and then lost by 14, that would not make too many fans happy.
Rather than just thinking about the final point spread, I find myself thinking about each side of the ball separately. OkSt averaged 38.4 ppg last season and the Beavers gave up an average of 45.7 ppg last season. Although I hate to think about it in this way, I'd say that having our defense hold OkSt to 40 or less would be a positive. Hold the Cowboys to 35 or less and I'll say that's a good day by our defense.
The Beavers averaged 26.3 ppg last season and OkSt gave up an average of 32.4 ppg last season. If the Beaver offense can score 27 or more, I'd say that is a positive. Score 30 or more and I'll say that's a good day by our offense.
So, if things go just OK, but not like we'd hope, it would be something like 40-27 OkSt. If that's the final result, depending on how it happens, I would not be elated but I would also not be too down on the outlook for the rest of the season. I would sort of still be in a wait-and-see mode with still some irrational optimism that things might continue to improve.
If things go well for us on both sides of the ball, it would be something like 35-30 OkSt....and at that point a fired up home crowd and maybe a few breaks going our way and the Beavers could win a game in the 30's. A close loss would be painful but given enough time to recover fans would probably have a positive outlook on the rest of the season. A win, close or not, will have fans thinking that maybe, just maybe, a winning season is in the cards.
Go Beavs!
Mike '84
I think you called it, good job. I am "hoping" that we can still be in it and be competitive in the 4th, we'll see I guess... Would be a GREAT day if we pulled it off, I give us a 30% chance to shock the world... so not impossible... |
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 28, 2019 12:13:59 GMT -8
...seriously, short of a win, what do you need to see in the final score to give you hope for the rest of the season?
The Beavers are currently about 14-point underdogs. Given the way some games went last season and how our defense will need to have drastically improved to slow down OkSt, I'm thinking a lot of Beaver fans would not find a 14-point loss to be the worst-case scenario. Then again, just like always, it would depend on how it happened. If the Beavers were in a position to win and then lost by 14, that would not make too many fans happy.
Rather than just thinking about the final point spread, I find myself thinking about each side of the ball separately. OkSt averaged 38.4 ppg last season and the Beavers gave up an average of 45.7 ppg last season. Although I hate to think about it in this way, I'd say that having our defense hold OkSt to 40 or less would be a positive. Hold the Cowboys to 35 or less and I'll say that's a good day by our defense.
The Beavers averaged 26.3 ppg last season and OkSt gave up an average of 32.4 ppg last season. If the Beaver offense can score 27 or more, I'd say that is a positive. Score 30 or more and I'll say that's a good day by our offense.
So, if things go just OK, but not like we'd hope, it would be something like 40-27 OkSt. If that's the final result, depending on how it happens, I would not be elated but I would also not be too down on the outlook for the rest of the season. I would sort of still be in a wait-and-see mode with still some irrational optimism that things might continue to improve.
If things go well for us on both sides of the ball, it would be something like 35-30 OkSt....and at that point a fired up home crowd and maybe a few breaks going our way and the Beavers could win a game in the 30's. A close loss would be painful but given enough time to recover fans would probably have a positive outlook on the rest of the season. A win, close or not, will have fans thinking that maybe, just maybe, a winning season is in the cards.
Go Beavs!
Mike '84
Only thing I am going to say is ain't nobody here believed for a second that coming off 2011 season that team was going to beat #10 Wisconsin. Sometimes the difference between winning and losing bad is razor thin. Small, small things getting fix, or a string of lucky bounces. Or from our own history, not fumbling 3 straight kickoffs in a row... Sometimes you just gotta believe man. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 28, 2019 12:22:27 GMT -8
Unfortunately we're not the ones who need to believe!
This game and season is about "fragility". How does this team respond to the negatives.
When you are part of a rebuild, coming off last season, and thinking you are an improved/ good team there needs to be GOOD things happen early on. Or be MADE to happen.
There is enough of an influx of new blood that the "here we go again" should... should... be squelched. But, this team needs to feel successes early. They need some positives and great emotion. And, that does include "US".
Let's be a huge positive. GO BEAVS!
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Post by jimbeav on Aug 28, 2019 12:23:44 GMT -8
...seriously, short of a win, what do you need to see in the final score to give you hope for the rest of the season?
The Beavers are currently about 14-point underdogs. Given the way some games went last season and how our defense will need to have drastically improved to slow down OkSt, I'm thinking a lot of Beaver fans would not find a 14-point loss to be the worst-case scenario. Then again, just like always, it would depend on how it happened. If the Beavers were in a position to win and then lost by 14, that would not make too many fans happy.
Rather than just thinking about the final point spread, I find myself thinking about each side of the ball separately. OkSt averaged 38.4 ppg last season and the Beavers gave up an average of 45.7 ppg last season. Although I hate to think about it in this way, I'd say that having our defense hold OkSt to 40 or less would be a positive. Hold the Cowboys to 35 or less and I'll say that's a good day by our defense.
The Beavers averaged 26.3 ppg last season and OkSt gave up an average of 32.4 ppg last season. If the Beaver offense can score 27 or more, I'd say that is a positive. Score 30 or more and I'll say that's a good day by our offense.
So, if things go just OK, but not like we'd hope, it would be something like 40-27 OkSt. If that's the final result, depending on how it happens, I would not be elated but I would also not be too down on the outlook for the rest of the season. I would sort of still be in a wait-and-see mode with still some irrational optimism that things might continue to improve.
If things go well for us on both sides of the ball, it would be something like 35-30 OkSt....and at that point a fired up home crowd and maybe a few breaks going our way and the Beavers could win a game in the 30's. A close loss would be painful but given enough time to recover fans would probably have a positive outlook on the rest of the season. A win, close or not, will have fans thinking that maybe, just maybe, a winning season is in the cards.
Go Beavs!
Mike '84
Only thing I am going to say is ain't nobody here believed for a second that coming off 2011 season that team was going to beat #10 Wisconsin. Sometimes the difference between winning and losing bad is razor thin. Small, small things getting fix, or a string of lucky bounces. Or from our own history, not fumbling 3 straight kickoffs in a row... Sometimes you just gotta believe man. Gerard Lawson, against UCLA. Will never forget that. Gawdammit, why does the weird sh!t always happen to us? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 28, 2019 12:37:22 GMT -8
I caught part of the Canzano show on Monday afternoon, and wonder of wonders, he was talking up the Beavs. He actually said that he sees this game as a one score game, and the Beavs could very well be in it. I'll be satisfied when our competitors and the journalists take the Beavs seriously. And that tide could be turning already. Nah - I will take the underdog/ underestimate us for as long as we can. Other than first game jitters, they (Cowboys) have way more to lose at this stage than we do. Not many outside of Corvallis expect much out of us, which is why the pre-season rankings had us at something like 96 out of 130. I don't believe that ranking for a second.
Come in and play with a bit of an attitude, and come out with some fire and nasty. Reading some of the articles about our team in the off season, should be motivation enough to knock some heads together, and prove the pundits wrong. I still have faith in JS - Tibesar? Remains to be seen. |
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Post by four2itus on Aug 28, 2019 13:45:33 GMT -8
I can't wait to hear "Touchdowwwwwwwnnnnnnnn..........Beaverrrrrs"
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2019 13:57:48 GMT -8
I caught part of the Canzano show on Monday afternoon, and wonder of wonders, he was talking up the Beavs. He actually said that he sees this game as a one score game, and the Beavs could very well be in it. I'll be satisfied when our competitors and the journalists take the Beavs seriously. And that tide could be turning already. Nah - I will take the underdog/ underestimate us for as long as we can. Other than first game jitters, they (Cowboys) have way more to lose at this stage than we do. Not many outside of Corvallis expect much out of us, which is why the pre-season rankings had us at something like 96 out of 130. I don't believe that ranking for a second.
Come in and play with a bit of an attitude, and come out with some fire and nasty. Reading some of the articles about our team in the off season, should be motivation enough to knock some heads together, and prove the pundits wrong. I still have faith in JS - Tibesar? Remains to be seen. CBS Sports has the Cowboys ranked #25 and us at #108. The Beavs should change that dramatically in next week's poll. I'm expecting a much more competitive game. |
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