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Post by Mike84 on Aug 24, 2019 9:51:54 GMT -8
Is this good, bad, or no difference for our defensive game plan and ability to hopefully at least slow down OkSt a little bit?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 10:24:24 GMT -8
Is this good, bad, or no difference for our defensive game plan and ability to hopefully at least slow down OkSt a little bit?
Dunno. But it's a weird move to be all Johnnie Tight Lips about it. I think they are going with the true freshman and dont want to let the Beav D craft a plan to rattle him. I say do it anyway.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 24, 2019 10:37:45 GMT -8
I'm thinking both QB's will be playing, at the same time, much of the game, and they're keeping mum hoping to catch the Beavs off guard.
Hopefully Tibs has watched at least some film of Oklahoma State's OC offense at Princeton the last couple seasons, apparently they used 2-3 Qbs at the same time upwards of 30-35 plays a game some games.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 24, 2019 10:47:45 GMT -8
I'm thinking both QB's will be playing, at the same time, much of the game, and they're keeping mum hoping to catch the Beavs off guard. Hopefully Tibs has watched at least some film of Oklahoma State's OC offense at Princeton the last couple seasons, apparently they used 2-3 Qbs at the same time upwards of 30-35 plays a game some games. A business associate of mine, who lives in Oklahoma, is a huge Okie State fan. He is going to be at the game - booked it years ago, in his head at least, when it was announced, like 5 years ago that they were going to be playing the Beavers.
He is convinced (much to his chagrin) that Gundy will use more than one quarterback, not only because they lost their senior starter at the end of last season, but because, not unlike a certain coach we had here recently , he loves to use more than one QB - drives my friend crazy (timing of replacing QB during the game, etc.) Based on his input, I expect to see at least two quarterbacks used extensively during the game.
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Post by soonerbeav on Aug 24, 2019 10:53:10 GMT -8
Does it matter? Both will be new and neither will be able to do all the things that Gundy wants his QB to do. Think about Mike Riley’s QBs in their first seasons. Same thing for Okie State this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 10:53:32 GMT -8
I'm thinking both QB's will be playing, at the same time, much of the game, and they're keeping mum hoping to catch the Beavs off guard. Hopefully Tibs has watched at least some film of Oklahoma State's OC offense at Princeton the last couple seasons, apparently they used 2-3 Qbs at the same time upwards of 30-35 plays a game some games. 2-3 QBs at the same time. That gives me the willies. One of Tibs helpers needs to watch for their backup qb coming in so beavs can sub in a nickel back. Two QBs mean they probably throw the ball right?
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Post by beavheart on Aug 24, 2019 11:06:59 GMT -8
I don't believe a word of that article. Gundy strikes me as a coach speak extraordinaire... "Come after me! I'm a MAN!!! I'm 40!!"
Dude knows how to put on a show.
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Post by sagebrush on Aug 24, 2019 11:16:03 GMT -8
Yeah, Gundy keeps getting flack for that statement but he was pi$$ed and sticking up for a player.
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Post by beavheart on Aug 24, 2019 12:05:51 GMT -8
Yeah, Gundy keeps getting flack for that statement but he was pi$$ed and sticking up for a player. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I think he went way over the top for something that happens everywhere, but you can't begrudge a guy sticking up for his own. Point being, he's not immune to getting a little hyperbolic. I just am looking at that article and feel like it's 100% gamesmanship and misdirection. He says, "Yeah, we have a plan in place, and everything is worked out since last spring, and it's all roses." and I see "We are scrambling to figure this thing out and we aren't sure of anything right now." Just my initial reaction. Especially considering how we have seen first hand on several occasions here at OSU how platooning QBs really just means you don't have a bonafide starter and are simply getting guys experience in the hopes that one of them eventually separates themself.
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Post by nexus73 on Aug 24, 2019 13:55:40 GMT -8
Two QB's, Two Balls. Now if the Cowboys run that and get away with it, we're in trouble. Otherwise just look for the guy at the bottom of the pile when we sack the quarterback. ID him. Then we will know who they are playing...LOL!
It would be fun to see a game loaded with trickeration. JS can match Gundy in that department. They were both good college QB's. "Can you top this?" might emerge as the theme of the game.
Bet the over, not the under.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 24, 2019 20:11:26 GMT -8
I'm thinking both QB's will be playing, at the same time, much of the game, and they're keeping mum hoping to catch the Beavs off guard. Hopefully Tibs has watched at least some film of Oklahoma State's OC offense at Princeton the last couple seasons, apparently they used 2-3 Qbs at the same time upwards of 30-35 plays a game some games. 2-3 QBs at the same time. That gives me the willies. One of Tibs helpers needs to watch for their backup qb coming in so beavs can sub in a nickel back. Two QBs mean they probably throw the ball right? Amen to this....remember Daron Thomas coming in for the ducks at WR and nobody picked up on it.
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Post by pokes28 on Aug 26, 2019 12:35:49 GMT -8
I'm a life long Oklahoma State fan and was a freshman when Gundy was a Junior. I would by no measure call us friends or even casual acquaintances, but I do know him and he knows me. One of the most infuriating things about Gundy is his hardheadedness specifically at the QB position. However there have been some statements on this thread that are not really correct.
Gundy is a one QB kind of coach. Aside from Mason Rudolph's sophomore year where he and JW Walsh split time at QB, he hasn't had a two QB system. Gundy is very loyal to his QBs and wants to give them the opportunity to work through problems. Below is a list of starting QBs since Gundy took over in 2005. Its a pretty long list, but quite a lot of the names only saw the field due to injuries to other players.
Bobby Reid - 2005-2007 - high profile recruit, but wasn't much of a college QB Al Pena - 2005 - journeyman at best, but filled in when Reid got hurt Donovan Woods - 2005 as a QB before moving to defense. Only played after Pena went down. Zac Robinson - 2006-2009 - Locked down the QB position once he rose to starter (because Reid was injured) Alex Cate - 2008-2009 - Had one start and was pulled at halftime with 2 interceptions and zero completions Brandon Weedon - 2008-2011 - first round NFL draft pick Wes Lunt - 2012 - high profile recruit that wasn't mentally tough enough transferred out after his first year JW Walsh - 2012-2015 - better runner than passer, but was a great leader on the field, had a hard time staying healthy Clint Chelf - 2010-2013 - Always underappreciated, but was a gamer Daxx Garmon - 2015 - only pressed into service when Walsh went down and Gundy was trying to save Rudolph's red shirt Mason Rudolph - 2014-2017 - started 3 games his freshman year after Garmon went down, beat OU to make us bowl eligible. Now the #2 in Pittsburgh Taylor Cornelius - 2014-2018 - feel good story of a guy that walked on, paid his dues and became the starter his 5 year. His good was really good, his bad was really bad. Sometimes you would see both in the same game.
So this is a very unique year. 2013 Chelf was the starter, but they really wanted Walsh. Chelf ended up back at the starter a few games later. and 2015 when Walsh and Rudolph were a two QB system are the only times in the Gundy era that there was anything like what we are seeing right now. I think it could end up a lot like 2015 where there is a young guy that has talent but will make errors and a senior that doesn't have as high a ceiling but will not make as many mistakes. The freshman is a really good runner and overall athlete but his passing needs work, the senior is more of a pro style QB. Add to that an OC used to using two QBs and all sorts of confusion abounds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 12:40:04 GMT -8
I'm a life long Oklahoma State fan and was a freshman when Gundy was a Junior. I would by no measure call us friends or even casual acquaintances, but I do know him and he knows me. One of the most infuriating things about Gundy is his hardheadedness specifically at the QB position. However there have been some statements on this thread that are not really correct. Gundy is a one QB kind of coach. Aside from Mason Rudolph's sophomore year where he and JW Walsh split time at QB, he hasn't had a two QB system. Gundy is very loyal to his QBs and wants to give them the opportunity to work through problems. Below is a list of starting QBs since Gundy took over in 2005. Its a pretty long list, but quite a lot of the names only saw the field due to injuries to other players. Bobby Reid - 2005-2007 - high profile recruit, but wasn't much of a college QB Al Pena - 2005 - journeyman at best, but filled in when Reid got hurt Donovan Woods - 2005 as a QB before moving to defense. Only played after Pena went down. Zac Robinson - 2006-2009 - Locked down the QB position once he rose to starter (because Reid was injured) Alex Cate - 2008-2009 - Had one start and was pulled at halftime with 2 interceptions and zero completions Brandon Weedon - 2008-2011 - first round NFL draft pick Wes Lunt - 2012 - high profile recruit that wasn't mentally tough enough transferred out after his first year JW Walsh - 2012-2015 - better runner than passer, but was a great leader on the field, had a hard time staying healthy Clint Chelf - 2010-2013 - Always underappreciated, but was a gamer Daxx Garmon - 2015 - only pressed into service when Walsh went down and Gundy was trying to save Rudolph's red shirt Mason Rudolph - 2014-2017 - started 3 games his freshman year after Garmon went down, beat OU to make us bowl eligible. Now the #2 in Pittsburgh Taylor Cornelius - 2014-2018 - feel good story of a guy that walked on, paid his dues and became the starter his 5 year. His good was really good, his bad was really bad. Sometimes you would see both in the same game. So this is a very unique year. 2013 Chelf was the starter, but they really wanted Walsh. Chelf ended up back at the starter a few games later. and 2015 when Walsh and Rudolph were a two QB system are the only times in the Gundy era that there was anything like what we are seeing right now. I think it could end up a lot like 2015 where there is a young guy that has talent but will make errors and a senior that doesn't have as high a ceiling but will not make as many mistakes. The freshman is a really good runner and overall athlete but his passing needs work, the senior is more of a pro style QB. Add to that an OC used to using two QBs and all sorts of confusion abounds. Great post and cool avatar. Update: i dont like the separated at birth threads on opposing players because it gets kinda mean but hey, your senior quarterback is basically Eddie Munster right?
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Post by pokes28 on Aug 27, 2019 11:05:15 GMT -8
Thats funny. Personally I love the separated at birth stuff. I think it shows how clever (or not) people can be. Though I think there should be a rule that anybody that uses either Predator or Whoopie Goldberg as the comparison for any player with dreadlocks should get an instant ban for lack of originality. I've seen Dru Brown a few times in person, but that picture doesn't really look like him. Strange angle or something. He always looks like the pic on okstate.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7306.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Aug 27, 2019 17:27:21 GMT -8
Gundy ain’t 40 anymore.....
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