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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 21, 2019 21:48:49 GMT -8
Pac12 will NOT have any 9am kickoffs in 2019!🍻
UCLA, Cal, Utah are schools interested in that start time. Plan will be revisited for 2020.
Are they trying to give fans reasons to not buy tix?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 6:08:01 GMT -8
Pac12 will NOT have any 9am kickoffs in 2019!🍻 UCLA, Cal, Utah are schools interested in that start time. Plan will be revisited for 2020. Are they trying to give fans reasons to not buy tix? Are they trying to get on national telly? Utah fancies themselves some kind of national recruiter?
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Post by obf on Aug 22, 2019 7:19:53 GMT -8
Pac12 will NOT have any 9am kickoffs in 2019!🍻 UCLA, Cal, Utah are schools interested in that start time. Plan will be revisited for 2020. Are they trying to give fans reasons to not buy tix? Preface: I DO go to games, I DO buy tickets, I DO buy a kettle corn, and a hat, and a soda (and if my kids come it is gonna be a $500 few hours). Also I think Larry Scott is a doofus and should be fired. Counterpoint: All that being said, that doesn't mean we can't see some logic in these things. You and I are NOT the average fan. Ticket sales, for all teams, are dropping, and the Pac12 (the owner of a Television network) is well aware of that. You and I will probably buy a ticket regardless of what happens... So the question isn't, "Do they want to give fans another reason to justify not buying a ticket?". The question, at least for Larry Scott et al. is, "How do we make our TV network more fiscally sucessful", the only way they can do that is to put a product on there that people want to see, and at times when they are avalible to see it. 9am is a time slot that is beneficial towards that goal. Now, as a ticket buying fan so *I* want that? No, of course not, but again, I will probably buy a ticket and go anyways. Will our brethren who live in Portland, or Vancouver, or Seattle, or Bend or Roseburg like it? No, and maybe they will stop buying tickets because of it.... and maybe they will purchase the bigger cable package, orfinally switch from directTV and get the Pac-12 channel because of it. So does the Pac-12 want the fans to stop buying tickets? If it means more people buying the Pac-12 network? Probably... Sucks of you and me though. Does the Pac-12 want the fans to stop buying tickets? If it means the east coast eyes getting to watch Pac-12 games and becoming fans of the teams, becoming invested in the teams, bringing more recognition and higher rankings to the team.... all in an effort to sell more Pac-12 TV sunscriptions of course? Then Yes... Sucks for you and me though. In the end would I trade an annoying time slot (9am) for a slice of a bigger TV revenue pie? and extra $1 million? No probably not. An extra $5 million? Well... shoot now you have me wavering, I mean we cut swimming of just a couple mil... An extra $10 million? How could I say no??? It, of course, remains to be seen, and argued about whether these TV machinations will really help or bring more revenue, but as much as it sucks for you and me... I am kind of glad they are at least trying, because as a whole the Pac-12 and their network is slowly swirling round the drain
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Post by nabeav on Aug 22, 2019 8:12:59 GMT -8
Pac12 will NOT have any 9am kickoffs in 2019!🍻 UCLA, Cal, Utah are schools interested in that start time. Plan will be revisited for 2020. Are they trying to give fans reasons to not buy tix? Preface: I DO go to games, I DO buy tickets, I DO buy a kettle corn, and a hat, and a soda (and if my kids come it is gonna be a $500 few hours). Also I think Larry Scott is a doofus and should be fired. Counterpoint: All that being said, that doesn't mean we can't see some logic in these things. You and I are NOT the average fan. Ticket sales, for all teams, are dropping, and the Pac12 (the owner of a Television network) is well aware of that. You and I will probably buy a ticket regardless of what happens... So the question isn't, "Do they want to give fans another reason to justify not buying a ticket?". The question, at least for Larry Scott et al. is, "How do we make our TV network more fiscally sucessful", the only way they can do that is to put a product on there that people want to see, and at times when they are avalible to see it. 9am is a time slot that is beneficial towards that goal. Now, as a ticket buying fan so *I* want that? No, of course not, but again, I will probably buy a ticket and go anyways. Will our brethren who live in Portland, or Vancouver, or Seattle, or Bend or Roseburg like it? No, and maybe they will stop buying tickets because of it.... and maybe they will purchase the bigger cable package, orfinally switch from directTV and get the Pac-12 channel because of it. So does the Pac-12 want the fans to stop buying tickets? If it means more people buying the Pac-12 network? Probably... Sucks of you and me though. Does the Pac-12 want the fans to stop buying tickets? If it means the east coast eyes getting to watch Pac-12 games and becoming fans of the teams, becoming invested in the teams, bringing more recognition and higher rankings to the team.... all in an effort to sell more Pac-12 TV sunscriptions of course? Then Yes... Sucks for you and me though. In the end would I trade an annoying time slot (9am) for a slice of a bigger TV revenue pie? and extra $1 million? No probably not. An extra $5 million? Well... shoot now you have me wavering, I mean we cut swimming of just a couple mil... An extra $10 million? How could I say no??? It, of course, remains to be seen, and argued about whether these TV machinations will really help or bring more revenue, but as much as it sucks for you and me... I am kind of glad they are at least trying, because as a whole the Pac-12 and their network is slowly swirling round the drain I see where you're going with this, and I don't disagree with the premise. There's probably a portion of season ticket holders out there looking for any excuse to dump their tickets because they're just not as invested in Beaver Football as they used to be that would use a hypothetical 9am game as the "straw that broke the camel's back" for them dumping tickets. There might be some people in Vancouver or Boise or something that would've been planning on coming to that game that will cancel their plans once the time is announced. Maybe they come to another home game instead, or maybe they don't. I also think there's a group of people that will recognize the novelty of the situation and want to be a part of it. Concession stands serving pancakes and eggs perhaps? The potential for some unique campus/community experiences if you have more people in town earlier in the day and can find a reason for people to stick around afterwards. That being said, this has nothing to do with fans - tv or otherwise. People on the east coast aren't going to start demanding the Pac-12 network because they saw a game played at 9am on Fox. You planning on clamoring for the ACC Network to watch Clemson vs. Georgia Tech? Me either. What percentage of Pac-12 alumni/fans live on the east coast? Has to be less than 10% right? The biggest advantage I see is that by playing games earlier in the day, your highlights are shown during cut-ins of other games being played back east at that time, then again before the noon game, then again at halftime of the noon games, then again on SportsCenter......It increases the visibility of the conference to the media. More media eyeballs saying "boy that catch Hodgins made? He's really good!" means more stories written about him, which means more brand recognition, which means higher starting spots in the polls, etc. etc. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. People for years have been complaining about the late starts. They're trying to find a creative solution to that problem. Give it shot, maybe #Pac12AfterBrunch starts trending. Maybe it finds a niche that we didn't know existed, like how curling is one of the biggest tv draws in the winter olympics. If it bombs and nobody watches or shows up, you say "ok that didn't work" and you move on like we did with Randy the Logger or Crank it Like a Chainsaw (which I thought they should've given more of a chance).
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 22, 2019 9:00:35 GMT -8
I guess I don't understand the global strategy of it all. Do they think they will get on the major networks? I certainly don't see it making a huge difference in national interest. It's not like football fans in Texas are going to watch Cal v Utah over Oklahoma or Ohio State. Seems like a desperation move as much as anything. Makes the P12 look like the whores they are!
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 9:04:03 GMT -8
All in all... points, counterpoints... the easy "fix" to the demise of the Pac12 and the underachieving network it owns... FIRE SCOTT. Multi-millions that could be going to schools right now is wasted in trying to run a communications enterprise with a bunch of castoffs, learning on the job in charge. There would be no need for lame game times (9am/11am... I do not see and occasional Fri night game as a bad thing) to make some dollars.
The Pac12 is out of it's "league" when trying to compete with bigger fan base TV (SEC, B10 especially) and ESPN and Fox. I would guess over a 100 million will have been wasted trying to run an independent TV network by the time the next contract rolls around.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2019 9:06:19 GMT -8
Preface: I DO go to games, I DO buy tickets, I DO buy a kettle corn, and a hat, and a soda (and if my kids come it is gonna be a $500 few hours). Also I think Larry Scott is a doofus and should be fired. Counterpoint: All that being said, that doesn't mean we can't see some logic in these things. You and I are NOT the average fan. Ticket sales, for all teams, are dropping, and the Pac12 (the owner of a Television network) is well aware of that. You and I will probably buy a ticket regardless of what happens... So the question isn't, "Do they want to give fans another reason to justify not buying a ticket?". The question, at least for Larry Scott et al. is, "How do we make our TV network more fiscally sucessful", the only way they can do that is to put a product on there that people want to see, and at times when they are avalible to see it. 9am is a time slot that is beneficial towards that goal. Now, as a ticket buying fan so *I* want that? No, of course not, but again, I will probably buy a ticket and go anyways. Will our brethren who live in Portland, or Vancouver, or Seattle, or Bend or Roseburg like it? No, and maybe they will stop buying tickets because of it.... and maybe they will purchase the bigger cable package, orfinally switch from directTV and get the Pac-12 channel because of it. So does the Pac-12 want the fans to stop buying tickets? If it means more people buying the Pac-12 network? Probably... Sucks of you and me though. Does the Pac-12 want the fans to stop buying tickets? If it means the east coast eyes getting to watch Pac-12 games and becoming fans of the teams, becoming invested in the teams, bringing more recognition and higher rankings to the team.... all in an effort to sell more Pac-12 TV sunscriptions of course? Then Yes... Sucks for you and me though. In the end would I trade an annoying time slot (9am) for a slice of a bigger TV revenue pie? and extra $1 million? No probably not. An extra $5 million? Well... shoot now you have me wavering, I mean we cut swimming of just a couple mil... An extra $10 million? How could I say no??? It, of course, remains to be seen, and argued about whether these TV machinations will really help or bring more revenue, but as much as it sucks for you and me... I am kind of glad they are at least trying, because as a whole the Pac-12 and their network is slowly swirling round the drain I see where you're going with this, and I don't disagree with the premise. There's probably a portion of season ticket holders out there looking for any excuse to dump their tickets because they're just not as invested in Beaver Football as they used to be that would use a hypothetical 9am game as the "straw that broke the camel's back" for them dumping tickets. There might be some people in Vancouver or Boise or something that would've been planning on coming to that game that will cancel their plans once the time is announced. Maybe they come to another home game instead, or maybe they don't. I also think there's a group of people that will recognize the novelty of the situation and want to be a part of it. Concession stands serving pancakes and eggs perhaps? The potential for some unique campus/community experiences if you have more people in town earlier in the day and can find a reason for people to stick around afterwards. That being said, this has nothing to do with fans - tv or otherwise. People on the east coast aren't going to start demanding the Pac-12 network because they saw a game played at 9am on Fox. You planning on clamoring for the ACC Network to watch Clemson vs. Georgia Tech? Me either. What percentage of Pac-12 alumni/fans live on the east coast? Has to be less than 10% right? The biggest advantage I see is that by playing games earlier in the day, your highlights are shown during cut-ins of other games being played back east at that time, then again before the noon game, then again at halftime of the noon games, then again on SportsCenter......It increases the visibility of the conference to the media. More media eyeballs saying "boy that catch Hodgins made? He's really good!" means more stories written about him, which means more brand recognition, which means higher starting spots in the polls, etc. etc. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. People for years have been complaining about the late starts. They're trying to find a creative solution to that problem. Give it shot, maybe #Pac12AfterBrunch starts trending. Maybe it finds a niche that we didn't know existed, like how curling is one of the biggest tv draws in the winter olympics. If it bombs and nobody watches or shows up, you say "ok that didn't work" and you move on like we did with Randy the Logger or Crank it Like a Chainsaw (which I thought they should've given more of a chance). I agree with almost everything that you say, especially Crank It Like a Chainsaw. I thought that that was gimmicky and stupid enough to be huge. I will say, though, that I am excited to see the Rambling Wreck and their gimmicky offense play ultra-talented Clemson in Death Valley the day before Oklahoma State invades Reser (my wife has termed this the "Halloweentown Bowl," because of the colors involved). When Georgia Tech's offense is clicking, it is fun to see them humiliate talented defenses. Stopping the Wreck in game 1 is a big ask for the Tigers. Both of those games are must-see TV in my book. Clemson finished first in the Atlantic, and Georgia Tech finished second in the Coastal in 2018 and are each other's biggest conference rival. The two teams went 13-2 against all of the other teams in the ACC (both losses by Georgia Tech). In my opinion, Louisville and pretty much anyone (with the possible exception of non-conference Kentucky) is an example of a dull ACC game this year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 9:13:34 GMT -8
Will post on the ticket board also...
For those with previous season tix... dropped them... thinking about renewing... OSU is offering "comped" tix to the OkSt game!!
Comped tix will be of equal value, same number as your season tix last year, and placed as close to your original seats as possible. You can chose to move to a new section/location to try them out. If you had a BASF donation attached it is a great time to try a new section for a game and see if you like it... maybe a cheaper section? No BASF? Valley View... great seats, chair back, it's own concourse/concessions... $205 season tix no BASF.
If you chose to buy season tix after OkSt they will be prorated for 5 games the week after the game. Chance to keep being a season ticket holder and reduce your financial outlay.
GO BEAVS...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2019 9:16:39 GMT -8
All in all... points, counterpoints... the easy "fix" to the demise of the Pac12 and the underachieving network it owns... FIRE SCOTT. Multi-millions that could be going to schools right now is wasted in trying to run a communications enterprise with a bunch of castoffs, learning on the job in charge. There would be no need for lame game times (9am/11am... I do not see and occasional Fri night game as a bad thing) to make some dollars. The Pac12 is out of it's "league" when trying to compete with bigger fan base TV (SEC, B10 especially) and ESPN and Fox. I would guess over a 100 million will have been wasted trying to run an independent TV network by the time the next contract rolls around. I agree that the Pac-12 Network has been a failure. The Pac-12 needs to make a deal with a major corporate partner and move forward, instead of throwing good money after bad. I disagree with the first sentence of the second paragraph. The Pac-12 has 4 of the 15 largest TV markets in the country. The Pac-12 does very well TV-wise, not so much attendance-wise, when compared to the Big Ten and SEC. But the money is not coming in the same amounts, because of a bad TV deal and a generally bad product the past four years. With the right contract, the Pac-12 would not be lagging so far behind the Big Ten and SEC.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 22, 2019 9:20:13 GMT -8
All in all... points, counterpoints... the easy "fix" to the demise of the Pac12 and the underachieving network it owns... FIRE SCOTT. Multi-millions that could be going to schools right now is wasted in trying to run a communications enterprise with a bunch of castoffs, learning on the job in charge. There would be no need for lame game times (9am/11am... I do not see and occasional Fri night game as a bad thing) to make some dollars. The Pac12 is out of it's "league" when trying to compete with bigger fan base TV (SEC, B10 especially) and ESPN and Fox. I would guess over a 100 million will have been wasted trying to run an independent TV network by the time the next contract rolls around. I agree that the Pac-12 Network has been a failure. The Pac-12 needs to make a deal with a major corporate partner and move forward, instead of throwing good money after bad. I disagree with the first sentence of the second paragraph. The Pac-12 has 4 of the 15 largest TV markets in the country. The Pac-12 does very well TV-wise, not so much attendance-wise, when compared to the Big Ten and SEC. But the money is not coming in the same amounts, because of a bad TV deal and a generally bad product the past four years. With the right contract, the Pac-12 would not be lagging so far behind the Big Ten and SEC. "Bigger fan base"... TV is TV... look at stadiums, sizes, and how many butts are in the seats. From the numbers I've seen the B10/SEC have fewer large markets as leagues and still outdraws... fans and viewers.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 22, 2019 9:25:19 GMT -8
I see where you're going with this, and I don't disagree with the premise. There's probably a portion of season ticket holders out there looking for any excuse to dump their tickets because they're just not as invested in Beaver Football as they used to be that would use a hypothetical 9am game as the "straw that broke the camel's back" for them dumping tickets. There might be some people in Vancouver or Boise or something that would've been planning on coming to that game that will cancel their plans once the time is announced. Maybe they come to another home game instead, or maybe they don't. I also think there's a group of people that will recognize the novelty of the situation and want to be a part of it. Concession stands serving pancakes and eggs perhaps? The potential for some unique campus/community experiences if you have more people in town earlier in the day and can find a reason for people to stick around afterwards. That being said, this has nothing to do with fans - tv or otherwise. People on the east coast aren't going to start demanding the Pac-12 network because they saw a game played at 9am on Fox. You planning on clamoring for the ACC Network to watch Clemson vs. Georgia Tech? Me either. What percentage of Pac-12 alumni/fans live on the east coast? Has to be less than 10% right? The biggest advantage I see is that by playing games earlier in the day, your highlights are shown during cut-ins of other games being played back east at that time, then again before the noon game, then again at halftime of the noon games, then again on SportsCenter......It increases the visibility of the conference to the media. More media eyeballs saying "boy that catch Hodgins made? He's really good!" means more stories written about him, which means more brand recognition, which means higher starting spots in the polls, etc. etc. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. People for years have been complaining about the late starts. They're trying to find a creative solution to that problem. Give it shot, maybe #Pac12AfterBrunch starts trending. Maybe it finds a niche that we didn't know existed, like how curling is one of the biggest tv draws in the winter olympics. If it bombs and nobody watches or shows up, you say "ok that didn't work" and you move on like we did with Randy the Logger or Crank it Like a Chainsaw (which I thought they should've given more of a chance). Randy the logger = Roboduck in my opinion. why "Randy"? why associate your fandom with a sunset industry? why confuse people with the introduction of this new character when already have a wood munching mascot? I would trade current Benny for Timber Joey in a heartbeat, maybe less. You just have to make it fun. Randy the Logger had little fun about him. Pack Reser with a bunch of drums throughout the stadium and a bunch of flags and scarves. Pack it with old-time Benny and Bernice and Timber Joey all making the rounds with smoke and fireworks going off pretty much nonstop; that is an event that people are going to want to go to. Also, logging is tied to the economy and has expanded as the economy has picked up the last couple of years. As long as new houses and other buildings are going up or upgraded, logging is going to stay a huge part of America and the American economy. Further, the timber industry will remain a big part of a top 10 forestry school on the nation's best campus.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 22, 2019 9:57:22 GMT -8
If TV truly pays better than the difference in crowd size then I'm all for the occasional 9am game, especially in leiu of a night game.
Our game against Oklahoma State is going to start at 10:30pm for 47.1% of the US population (I looked it up). A noon start (back east) on a nationally televised game is going to catch a lot more eyeballs. I've seen plenty of bellyaching over the years about east coast sportswriters not even seeing Pac 12 evening games because of how late the games are.
I can see why the league and at least a few teams think a 9am game might be worth testing.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 22, 2019 10:04:52 GMT -8
I see Fox is already advertising "Noon Game of the Week" or something like that. They want to broadcast marquee match-ups from across the nation in that time slot.
If OSU is good enough, and has an opponent that is good enough to warrant a marquee match-up on national television, you bet your a$$ I will be in my seat at 9 a.m.!!
I prefer 9 a.m. Sat. to 7:30 p.m. Friday as well.
Go Beavs!! Kick some Cowboy arse!!
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 22, 2019 10:35:16 GMT -8
I guess I don't understand the global strategy of it all. Do they think they will get on the major networks? I certainly don't see it making a huge difference in national interest. It's not like football fans in Texas are going to watch Cal v Utah over Oklahoma or Ohio State. Seems like a desperation move as much as anything. Makes the P12 look like the whores they are! It would be on FOX...not FS1, not FS2, not RootSports.....plain old FOX (KPTV). It however wouldn't bring in any more money to the conference since those deals were already signed years ago. It's about exposure...like finding Louisville at 9am on ESPN/ESPN2
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 22, 2019 10:39:26 GMT -8
If TV truly pays better than the difference in crowd size then I'm all for the occasional 9am game, especially in leiu of a night game. Our game against Oklahoma State is going to start at 10:30pm for 47.1% of the US population (I looked it up). A noon start (back east) on a nationally televised game is going to catch a lot more eyeballs. I've seen plenty of bellyaching over the years about east coast sportswriters not even seeing Pac 12 evening games because of how late the games are. I can see why the league and at least a few teams think a 9am game might be worth testing. As long it's only once a year (at home) and is announced months in advance, I'm down with it, especially if it's towards the beginning 2/3 of the season. November? No thanks.
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