|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 16, 2019 7:26:07 GMT -8
If Tinkle were canned this year what potential Head Coach wouldn’t look at OSU as a coach’s graveyard? The only serious interest we would get probably is from someone who couldn’t get a HC gig at another power 5 school. If some people have their way this season potentially could be not just the best season in 30 years, it could be much higher. I’m not a fire WT guy, I want to see what he can do without the dynamic of three coach’s kids. However, I disagree, any coach candidate could easily see our problems are not our location on a map, size of our city, quality of our facility, or support from above. It is our current players and coaches that are the problem. Any of you catch the ducks current winning streak? Watch the way they play d and compare it to our d. It’s a pretty stark difference in the level of hustle and desire to win. A wise coaching candidate would look at the way we play and recognize the problem, understand the firing, and be confident in a fix. We are a big diamond in the rough, a power 5 school (granted I’m assuming that still holds some luster, but TT just mentioned in a recent interview, so I think it does) with a potentially passionate fan base (see women’s basketball), nice facilities, school support, #1 rival to the largest sports shoe company in the world’s pet school, and we are Beavs. The right coach comes along (I hope it is WT) and they can make history. Would be fun for all involved. WT is not having fun right now. As to the current duk winning streak... they have a LOT of talent on board. The dux have been accused by at least one other school (that admits they cheated) of literally trying to buy at least one recruit. Their current success goes beyond on the floor coaching accumen. They had 11 four and five star recruits the last 3 recruiting cycles and most are playing for them now. They have more talented and physical players and that's paying dividends at the end of the season. |
|
|
|
Post by albanianbeav on Mar 16, 2019 9:22:57 GMT -8
I’m not a fire WT guy, I want to see what he can do without the dynamic of three coach’s kids. However, I disagree, any coach candidate could easily see our problems are not our location on a map, size of our city, quality of our facility, or support from above. It is our current players and coaches that are the problem. Any of you catch the ducks current winning streak? Watch the way they play d and compare it to our d. It’s a pretty stark difference in the level of hustle and desire to win. A wise coaching candidate would look at the way we play and recognize the problem, understand the firing, and be confident in a fix. We are a big diamond in the rough, a power 5 school (granted I’m assuming that still holds some luster, but TT just mentioned in a recent interview, so I think it does) with a potentially passionate fan base (see women’s basketball), nice facilities, school support, #1 rival to the largest sports shoe company in the world’s pet school, and we are Beavs. The right coach comes along (I hope it is WT) and they can make history. Would be fun for all involved. WT is not having fun right now. As to the current duk winning streak... they have a LOT of talent on board. The dux have been accused by at least one other school (that admits they cheated) of literally trying to buy at least one recruit. Their current success goes beyond on the floor coaching accumen. They had 11 four and five star recruits the last 3 recruiting cycles and most are playing for them now. They have more talented and physical players and that's paying dividends at the end of the season. So you feel we have similar defensive intensity & hustle? |
|
|
|
Post by beaverinohio on Mar 16, 2019 9:43:42 GMT -8
Tinkle will be back next year and to be honest that is deserving. I think we’ll probably see WT at the helm for at least two more years and likely at least three. Part of me almost wishes Tres moves on after this year to see what the team looks like with a few less coaches’ kids. I’ve grown weary of Tres’s hero ball, 1 on 3 offensive moves. But then I come back to the realization that Tres is our best player, and team will be better with him than without.
In one of the other threads about getting rid of Tinkle, someone mentioned Musselman from Nevada as a potential replacement. First, I think he’d have much better offers and as someone pointed out not sure his relying on transfers would be a good fit. But I’m going to watch the Mountain West finals today cuz I think a good fit to replace Tinkle should he not be able to handle life after Tres might be in that conference— Craig Smith of Utah St. basing that only on what I’ve read about him and his record. He’s only in first year there, so he might be ready to move on in a couple of years, so interested in seeing how his team plays.
|
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 16, 2019 10:03:50 GMT -8
As to the current duk winning streak... they have a LOT of talent on board. The dux have been accused by at least one other school (that admits they cheated) of literally trying to buy at least one recruit. Their current success goes beyond on the floor coaching accumen. They had 11 four and five star recruits the last 3 recruiting cycles and most are playing for them now. They have more talented and physical players and that's paying dividends at the end of the season. So you feel we have similar defensive intensity & hustle? I'm thinking if you have 11 thoroughbreds splitting races over the course of a season vs eight nice horses that run every race, come the last races of the season the thoroughbreds are going to have "more" intensity and hustle. Pritchard is the only duck player that can match, even come all that close, to the minutes our top 3 players put in this season. I guess you could blame the late season swoon on Tinkle for not spreading the minutes around, but that probably would have cost just as many games earlier. Everything is easier when you have the horses. I'm kind of amazed uo did so poorly early on - now THAT was a coaching issue. |
|
jbjam
Freshman
Posts: 127
|
Post by jbjam on Mar 16, 2019 12:34:57 GMT -8
So you feel we have similar defensive intensity & hustle? I'm thinking if you have 11 thoroughbreds splitting races over the course of a season vs eight nice horses that run every race, come the last races of the season the thoroughbreds are going to have "more" intensity and hustle. Pritchard is the only duck player that can match, even come all that close, to the minutes our top 3 players put in this season. I guess you could blame the late season swoon on Tinkle for not spreading the minutes around, but that probably would have cost just as many games earlier. Everything is easier when you have the horses. I'm kind of amazed uo did so poorly early on - now THAT was a coaching issue. I do agree it was shocking how poorly UO played... With the talent they have. I dont agree with thinking of excuses to justify poor play. Many other teams with similar minutes have shown intensity and cohesion. |
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 16, 2019 14:55:12 GMT -8
I'm thinking if you have 11 thoroughbreds splitting races over the course of a season vs eight nice horses that run every race, come the last races of the season the thoroughbreds are going to have "more" intensity and hustle. Pritchard is the only duck player that can match, even come all that close, to the minutes our top 3 players put in this season. I guess you could blame the late season swoon on Tinkle for not spreading the minutes around, but that probably would have cost just as many games earlier. Everything is easier when you have the horses. I'm kind of amazed uo did so poorly early on - now THAT was a coaching issue. I do agree it was shocking how poorly UO played... With the talent they have. I dont agree with thinking of excuses to justify poor play. Many other teams with similar minutes have shown intensity and cohesion. The only "similar minutes" I could find was that each team played at least 40 minutes a game. Looking through the Pac 12 statistical leaders, couldn't find a specific minutes played ranking category so I had to go through other statistical categories and look at minutes played, so I could have missed something. Stevie and Tres were the only players I could find that averaged 36+ minutes. Pritchard was the only other player that averaged 35. I only found 1 guy that averaged more minutes than Ethan, beating him out by a tenth of a minute. It appears no other teams in the league relied on 3 guys like OSU did. |
|
|
|
Post by albanianbeav on Mar 16, 2019 15:34:56 GMT -8
I'm thinking if you have 11 thoroughbreds splitting races over the course of a season vs eight nice horses that run every race, come the last races of the season the thoroughbreds are going to have "more" intensity and hustle. Pritchard is the only duck player that can match, even come all that close, to the minutes our top 3 players put in this season. I guess you could blame the late season swoon on Tinkle for not spreading the minutes around, but that probably would have cost just as many games earlier. Everything is easier when you have the horses. I'm kind of amazed uo did so poorly early on - now THAT was a coaching issue. I do agree it was shocking how poorly UO played... With the talent they have. I dont agree with thinking of excuses to justify poor play. Many other teams with similar minutes have shown intensity and cohesion. Goes to show it is a team game. The ducks had a bunch of new players and it took time to gel and get what their coach wanted out of them. He’s a great coach, & no, I do not like him. We had the talent & experience to do much better than we did. We played a nine man rotation just like most others in the league, but do admit our bench was not as strong as others. No excuse for lack of defensive intensity though. As for blaming coaching, I said I blame coaching and the players. I believe there is some weird dynamic having three coaches kids. It has effected WT’s ability to get what he wants out of them, his judgement on playing others, and his ability to recruit. I hold out hope for WT as we cycle these guys out, not because of anything he has shown to date, just gut feel. A little off topic; I also think ET could end up being the best of the bunch. We saw glimpses of it the last two years. This year felt to me like he was there, just playing in the shadow of two guys that do not play a team style of offense; head down to the rim. ET, AH, & KK will benefit from a new offensive scheme, and all have shown a willingness to work hard on d. I have heard good things about PD & I like what AV brings (I agree with what someone else on this forum has mentioned a couple times in different threads, we play out best ball when he is on the floor). If either of our new guys are D1 ready, we could be in good shape if WT can get what he wants out of them. Having TT back would be a bonus, but I only want him if he has a six assist per game goal and commits to playing d. |
|
beaver94
Sophomore
Posts: 1,572 
Member is Online
|
Post by beaver94 on Mar 16, 2019 18:03:33 GMT -8
Tinkle will be back next year and to be honest that is deserving. I think we’ll probably see WT at the helm for at least two more years and likely at least three. Part of me almost wishes Tres moves on after this year to see what the team looks like with a few less coaches’ kids. I’ve grown weary of Tres’s hero ball, 1 on 3 offensive moves. But then I come back to the realization that Tres is our best player, and team will be better with him than without. In one of the other threads about getting rid of Tinkle, someone mentioned Musselman from Nevada as a potential replacement. First, I think he’d have much better offers and as someone pointed out not sure his relying on transfers would be a good fit. But I’m going to watch the Mountain West finals today cuz I think a good fit to replace Tinkle should he not be able to handle life after Tres might be in that conference— Craig Smith of Utah St. basing that only on what I’ve read about him and his record. He’s only in first year there, so he might be ready to move on in a couple of years, so interested in seeing how his team plays. I don’t think I’m ready for another coach from Utah St. yet. |
|
|
|
Post by beaverinohio on Mar 18, 2019 16:36:53 GMT -8
Touché, but they did win. Team finished 28-6 I think after going 17-17 the previous year. I think they got an 8 seed and play Washington in round 1. Having watched a good portion of that game, I think Huskies might have the better team despite being the lower seed. So, I’m interested to see how game goes.
|
|
