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Post by azbeaver on Mar 14, 2019 16:16:53 GMT -8
I have been a long time beaver basketball fan and with respect to the thread about only posting negative, i can no longer keep it in. I need to voice my frustration somewhere since i am in arizona where there are few beaver fans to talk with. Okay to the meat of my frustration....
How does Tinkle keep his job...after 4+ seasons of basketball there are very few signs of improvement from when he took over. those few signs are coach's kids only. there has been 0 player development as the only non coach's kid that is a senior (big G) is not any better now that he was as a frosh. after the coach's kids and maybe kelley, there is not one player on the roster that would make another team in the pac-12 on a down year (other that wsu), which i would not have an issue with if there was proof of player development and i knew that in a couple of years they would be a lot better. how can we expect to compete if we do not have d1 basketball players or potential players.
maybe coach tinkle is a great coach and if he is then he needs to rework his staff to high level recruiters and player developers so he can use his coaching ability. I don't think that is the case because the only real success he had was with the previous regime's players. to this point i do not see one player recruited by the current beaver staff that i am excited to see in the future which means there are several bad years ahead of us under tinkle after the family connection leave, which could be this year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 16:26:12 GMT -8
maybe coach tinkle is a great coach . azbeaver That's a big maybe.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 14, 2019 16:54:43 GMT -8
Once the coaches kids leave the program will be a complete dumpster fire. The coaching is poor and they have proven they can not recruit well enough to be competitive. I think the AD was so desperate that after 25 years of futility they decided to hire coaches whose kids might be good enough to jump start the program into relevance. Nice try, but it didn't work.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 14, 2019 23:27:15 GMT -8
To say Big G is the same player he was as a frosh is crazy.
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 15, 2019 0:56:27 GMT -8
He's staying. Too good of a standing with the Athletic Department and plenty of excuses for the poor season(s) before. Like I said before, I think he will get the Ernie Kent at Oregon treatment and ride out as long as it's not back to back poor season. Plus all the conference money is going to Larry Scott, can't afford to spend more money on a bling coach.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 15, 2019 5:13:40 GMT -8
He's staying. Too good of a standing with the Athletic Department and plenty of excuses for the poor season(s) before. Like I said before, I think he will get the Ernie Kent at Oregon treatment and ride out as long as it's not back to back poor season. Plus all the conference money is going to Larry Scott, can't afford to spend more money on a bling coach. Ernie Kent was “riding” something else. That’s why he got canned.
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2019 6:33:26 GMT -8
I’d like to see him coach a year without the kids in the program, and then decide. That first year he came in, he put together a scrappy team that brought energy and new life to the program. Since the kids have been involved, I’ve been disappointed in the lack of leadership.
I strongly believe that Tres and co are highly talented players, but I also think they would have benefited from being in a system without their fathers looking out for them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 6:47:25 GMT -8
I’d like to see him coach a year without the kids in the program, and then decide. That first year he came in, he put together a scrappy team that brought energy and new life to the program. Since the kids have been involved, I’ve been disappointed in the lack of leadership. I strongly believe that Tres and co are highly talented players, but I also think they would have benefited from being in a system without their fathers looking out for them. that first year he had this guy, who basically was like 2.5 defenders in one body:
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2019 6:53:29 GMT -8
I’d like to see him coach a year without the kids in the program, and then decide. That first year he came in, he put together a scrappy team that brought energy and new life to the program. Since the kids have been involved, I’ve been disappointed in the lack of leadership. I strongly believe that Tres and co are highly talented players, but I also think they would have benefited from being in a system without their fathers looking out for them. that first year he had this guy, who basically was like 2.5 defenders in one body: True. However, except for GPII, there wasn’t much on that team. Now, on the other hand, we have talented players but without the results. There is a lack of maturity throughout.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 15, 2019 6:59:08 GMT -8
I’d like to see him coach a year without the kids in the program, and then decide. That first year he came in, he put together a scrappy team that brought energy and new life to the program. Since the kids have been involved, I’ve been disappointed in the lack of leadership. I strongly believe that Tres and co are highly talented players, but I also think they would have benefited from being in a system without their fathers looking out for them. I think he'll absolutely get another year for multiple reasons - there's the financial impact of firing him, - to his credit - it's a group of great students and appears to be a bunch of pretty good kids overall - I think from afar, the optics of firing a coach with 18 wins (and maybe an NIT berth?) and only 1 losing season doesn't look good at all to any potential candidates who are out there - even though many of us who follow the team on a game by game basis aren't pleased with what we see on the floor and many feel that we are going to go completely off the rails next year. Now if 3 more guys transfer out, I'll take back everything I just said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 7:03:36 GMT -8
that first year he had this guy, who basically was like 2.5 defenders in one body: True. However, except for GPII, there wasn’t much on that team. Now, on the other hand, we have talented players but without the results. There is a lack of maturity throughout. weird the craig robinson holdover players had more grit but less scoring ability than anyone on the team now. Seems a long time ago.
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Post by billsaab on Mar 15, 2019 9:56:09 GMT -8
Our problem is debt 30 Million and counting. We just dropped swimming because of lack of facilities. We are ok at Gymnastics but others have invested. Our problem is we don't keep building. It is not stagnent but on going. This requires commitment. Regarding Coach Tinkle I like Him but I cannot stand how He coaches. I realize Tres played on bad Ankle, but the Team was not prepared to play that game pure and simple. It really bugs Me that u of o wins 2 games down there and appear motivated. Hate to say it but that guy can coach. I hate it when cheaters win as well. I also am not fond of milking the clock and not getting to free throw line enough. Hate standing around watching guys dribble. The Gals need to improve there as well. That is Scott's Achilles in my mind. We need to do what is best for program regarding Tinkle. I would challenge him to explain the mess we are in. Remember when Riley left for Nebraska? They wanted Him to fix the Coaching staff. He left rather than fix it. That is how it seems to be around here.Pathetic.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 15, 2019 16:48:22 GMT -8
WT is going to be around for another year at least, probably a couple more. But does anyone see him being here 5 years from now? I don't. Which means another coach fired and another in the long list of attempted rebuilds. We should change our mascot from Beaver to Groundhog as the same thing keeps happening over and over again. Hire...Fire...rinse...repeat...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 15, 2019 22:07:53 GMT -8
WT is going to be around for another year at least, probably a couple more. But does anyone see him being here 5 years from now? I don't. Which means another coach fired and another in the long list of attempted rebuilds. We should change our mascot from Beaver to Groundhog as the same thing keeps happening over and over again. Hire...Fire...rinse...repeat... If Tinkle were canned this year what potential Head Coach wouldn’t look at OSU as a coach’s graveyard? The only serious interest we would get probably is from someone who couldn’t get a HC gig at another power 5 school. If some people have their way this season potentially could be not just the best season in 30 years, it could be much higher.
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 16, 2019 6:25:31 GMT -8
WT is going to be around for another year at least, probably a couple more. But does anyone see him being here 5 years from now? I don't. Which means another coach fired and another in the long list of attempted rebuilds. We should change our mascot from Beaver to Groundhog as the same thing keeps happening over and over again. Hire...Fire...rinse...repeat... If Tinkle were canned this year what potential Head Coach wouldn’t look at OSU as a coach’s graveyard? The only serious interest we would get probably is from someone who couldn’t get a HC gig at another power 5 school. If some people have their way this season potentially could be not just the best season in 30 years, it could be much higher. I’m not a fire WT guy, I want to see what he can do without the dynamic of three coach’s kids. However, I disagree, any coach candidate could easily see our problems are not our location on a map, size of our city, quality of our facility, or support from above. It is our current players and coaches that are the problem. Any of you catch the ducks current winning streak? Watch the way they play d and compare it to our d. It’s a pretty stark difference in the level of hustle and desire to win. A wise coaching candidate would look at the way we play and recognize the problem, understand the firing, and be confident in a fix. We are a big diamond in the rough, a power 5 school (granted I’m assuming that still holds some luster, but TT just mentioned in a recent interview, so I think it does) with a potentially passionate fan base (see women’s basketball), nice facilities, school support, #1 rival to the largest sports shoe company in the world’s pet school, and we are Beavs. The right coach comes along (I hope it is WT) and they can make history. Would be fun for all involved. WT is not having fun right now.
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