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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 25, 2019 16:31:23 GMT -8
Tres Tinkle played poorly at the end. Fouls, turnovers and missed shots from our top stud did us in. Had he played the opposite of what he did in the last few minutes, we win the game. On the last play of the game, a Bruin made a fantastic athletic shot for the winning score. Looking at their team shows an abundance of athleticism but it is not well coached. In a way, our loss at Pauley reminded me of our baseball loss to USC down there when we were going for a first ever road sweep of that team. We played subpar that day while the Trojans decided that was the one game they would show up at their best. Had we brought our A game, the sweep is ours. Oh well, we are not that good a team and we do not play in a very good conference. When your conference's best team is only 30th best in the nation, that means as a conference we suck rutabagas. Some day I hope to see all these overrated coaches fired and a new batch come in so maybe some who actually know how basketball works can meld talent into a team on a consistent basis. John Wooden and Ralph Miller are rolling over in their graves at the atrocious display of cager action in the Pac-12. There were a bunch of non-calls for both sides, but UCLA got the calls when the refs decidedto cal 'em. Tres, late in the game, got called for a foul on a guy who was doing a breakaway stuff shot. Tres didn't touch the guy until the guy got hung up on the rim and fell on Tres, who was trailing. That should have been a non-call as contract had nothing to do with affecting the shot. That was not a bad game by the Beavers, UCLA played well and sure seemed to getbthe benefit of the doubt on calls a good deal of the time. Sooooo close, oh well.
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Post by nexus73 on Feb 25, 2019 19:08:36 GMT -8
That was just one play you mentioned. Tres melted in the heat of the moment. As I watched the last few minutes of the game, counting the mistakes and missed shots showed a player playing like a fish out of water. I expect better. If people on this board do not, then expect more dismal seasons. You get what you demand or you get what you accept. Choose one. Wayne has had enough time to build a program and with the Pac-12 being the Pathetic-12, we should be running the table if the men's basketball program had its act together. At least the women's side does.
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Post by jefframp on Feb 26, 2019 8:47:23 GMT -8
There were a bunch of non-calls for both sides, but UCLA got the calls when the refs decidedto cal 'em. Tres, late in the game, got called for a foul on a guy who was doing a breakaway stuff shot. Tres didn't touch the guy until the guy got hung up on the rim and fell on Tres, who was trailing. That should have been a non-call as contract had nothing to do with affecting the shot. That's the one I have been losing sleep over. I think it was Hands who stole the ball and blew the layup/stuff. Played it over and over again and it was just a god awful call.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2019 9:17:50 GMT -8
“Wayne has had enough time to build a program”....
That kind of thinking helped usher in the Andersen era in football.
Believe it or not, the Beavers are having a pretty good year. They’re competitive. They’re better than they were earlier in the season. They’re winning roughly half their road games, many of them against teams that have plenty of talent. They’re obviously better than they’ve been in most every year in the past 28 years... Guess what, there are 5-7 other coaches in the conference who have been here as long, or longer, as Wayne who wish they could be saying those things right now.
BUT, they haven’t won the conference. Well, there’s 12 teams in this conference and only 1 can win it all, and the last 6 years only 2 teams have won this conference (and despite their momentum we’ve swept one of them and are in a dogfight for 2nd with the other). It’s not like everyone gets turns, and it’s not like failure to finish in the top 2 or 3 in the league means you’re a mediocre coach. As far as the conference being pathetic goes, I’d bet that if the team replayed it’s out of conference games today the results of most, maybe all, of the losses would likely reverse. They’re a better team than early on, and I’m not going to say that many of the other teams in the league aren’t as well. I’ll go as far as saying there are going to be several teams in the NCAA tournament this year who probably 8-10 of the Pac 12 teams could beat right now, it’s like that pretty much every year.
What the women’s team has done the last several years is pretty much amazing. Prior to the 2014-2015 season one school, Stanford, had won or shared the conference title in 23 of the previous 26 seasons. Now the Beavers are looking to build their own little dynasty.... but that doesn’t mean you can expect the same of the men’s program. Just because Scott Ruek did it in women’s basketball doesn’t mean any coach can do the same in men’s basketball.
Anyways, I’m rambling, but in my estimation this is not a dismal season and Coach Tinkle has only produced 1 dismal season in 5. Frankly, considering recent OSU basketball history and what he was left by the previous coach, I expected 3 dismal seasons before getting to where we are now.
It’s easy to “expect better”, but is it realistic?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2019 9:20:12 GMT -8
There were a bunch of non-calls for both sides, but UCLA got the calls when the refs decidedto cal 'em. Tres, late in the game, got called for a foul on a guy who was doing a breakaway stuff shot. Tres didn't touch the guy until the guy got hung up on the rim and fell on Tres, who was trailing. That should have been a non-call as contract had nothing to do with affecting the shot. That's the one I have been losing sleep over. I think it was Hands who stole the ball and blew the layup/stuff. Played it over and over again and it was just a god awful call. However, I gotta admit that steal was kinda on our player’s shoulder if I’m recalling it right. Guess it sorta evened out in the end.
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Post by nexus73 on Feb 26, 2019 12:33:04 GMT -8
When you are the 30th best team in the country, you should be in 5th place in the Pac-12 standings although during a weak year, 4th would be considered okay. UW is running away with the title as the 30th best team, which shows us to be the Pathetic-12, which is far worse than a weak year. Where are we as the 2nd place team? Out of sight and out of mind for the NCAA's at this time.
If we cannot beat this bunch of slackers senseless when a coach has had enough years to show his stuff, there's a problem. Underachieving as a conference given our past history as a conference is so sad.
Oh well, let's go win the baseball title again. Oregon can do the same in track. Stanford will do well in the Olympic sports. None of it will replace making hay in the revenue sports.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 26, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -8
UW is far better than the #30 team in the country. It's ridiculous they are not ranked higher.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 26, 2019 13:00:27 GMT -8
UW is far better than the #30 team in the country. It's ridiculous they are not ranked higher. I don't know about that... can see them get upset by a 12 seed and certainly can see not going past round of 32... so what a 16 way tie for 17th or 32nd.
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 26, 2019 15:21:59 GMT -8
UW is far better than the #30 team in the country. It's ridiculous they are not ranked higher. I don't know about that... can see them get upset by a 12 seed and certainly can see not going past round of 32... so what a 16 way tie for 17th or 32nd. Well right now Washington is ranked 25 in the polls. Looking at the teams that are up to 5 to 7 spots ahead, based on those that I've seen play I think 25 is probably about right for Washington. Not that Washington couldn't beat some of those teams, but based on their resume 25 seems about right. Lunardi of ESPN has them as a 7th seed. Not sure historically how good he is at predicting seedings, but it was easy to access. So if that is correct, Huskies would play a 10th seed and it will be interesting because Lunardi currently has as his 10th seeds: Okla (8th in Big 12 at 5-10), Ohio St. (7th in Big 10 at 7-9), TCU (7th in Big 12 at 6-8) and VCU (1st in A-10 at 12-2). I think Washington could and should beat OK and OSU based on games I've seen those two play. Don't think I've seen TCU and know I haven't seen VCU. But if Washington loses a first round game like those that means they would have lost to a 7th or 8th place team in another power conference or a first place team of a mid-major. That will be a nasty hit to the Pac-12 in what has already been a nasty year. But I think Washington has what it takes to win at least one game in tourney -- that zone defense, lots of seniors, and Thybulle. On the downside, they're not real deep and I could seem them struggling some to score.
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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 26, 2019 15:51:32 GMT -8
UW is far better than the #30 team in the country. It's ridiculous they are not ranked higher. I don't know about that... can see them get upset by a 12 seed and certainly can see not going past round of 32... so what a 16 way tie for 17th or 32nd. Kind of remind me of some of the same unpredictable Boeheim 'Cuse teams in the past where it's all based on match-ups and comes down to if the opponent can handle their zone or not. On one hand, could see them go on a run to the Sweet 16 if they get some teams that fail to figure it out & Thybulle wreaks havoc the first weekend on defense or like you said, could just as easily see them get knocked out early by a mid-major with some experienced kids & ball handlers, ability to knock down some 3's.
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Post by babeav on Feb 26, 2019 18:17:36 GMT -8
Kind of like OSUs luck with the Ball States, Kansas State, Lamar, Evansville, Notre Dame, Louisville and West Virginia of the world in the 80s.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 26, 2019 21:27:33 GMT -8
Washington is #15 in RPI. They would have been a no-brainer four-seed last year. The Huskies are probably not that good, but they are definitely not an eight-seed. The NET is hammering the Pac-12 this year. The Pac-12 is bad but not that bad.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 27, 2019 1:51:30 GMT -8
Kind of like OSUs luck with the Ball States, Kansas State, Lamar, Evansville, Notre Dame, Louisville and West Virginia of the world in the 80s. and I'd almost, sorta, kinda, sometimes forgot about those games dammit.
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Post by seastape on Feb 27, 2019 10:26:59 GMT -8
Kind of like OSUs luck with the Ball States, Kansas State, Lamar, Evansville, Notre Dame, Louisville and West Virginia of the world in the 80s. Those games...OSU got out-muscled in a lot of those games.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 27, 2019 10:32:23 GMT -8
Kind of like OSUs luck with the Ball States, Kansas State, Lamar, Evansville, Notre Dame, Louisville and West Virginia of the world in the 80s. Those games...OSU got out-muscled in a lot of those games. I think we lost to Evansville because we were too focused on laughing about the fact that their uniforms were actually sleeved shirts with numbers on them.
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