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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 19, 2019 12:36:06 GMT -8
DRATINGS.COM has Oregon State as the 11th team out of the Tournament, a projected four-seed in the NIT Tournament.
Arizona has cratered. Oregon State has passed them into first in line for a Tournament bid behind the likely bids (at least at this point) of Arizona State and Washington.
The game against Arizona State looms large next week. The Beavers need at least a split, heading into next week's games with the Arizonas to be in a decent position to get an at large bid. Otherwise, Oregon State would likely need to sweep the Arizonas and Washingtons.
There is a shot that the Pac-12 gets three in. If the Committee really wants Arizona State in, Oregon State needs to position itself to be selected before the Sun Devils. To feel good about their chances going that route, the Beavers need to be at least a game clear of the Devils or beat Arizona State and go deeper in the Pac-12 Tourney. You would think that a Pac-12 #3 would be better than an ACC #9, a Big Ten/Big 12/SEC #8, or even an American/Big East #4. In a normal year, I suppose?
Oregon State's magic number is six. If the Beavers can amass six wins before Selection Sunday, Oregon State should make it into the field. Short of that, the Beavers would be unlikely to receive an at large bid.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 19, 2019 13:20:48 GMT -8
DRATINGS.COM has Oregon State as the 11th team out of the Tournament, a projected four-seed in the NIT Tournament. Arizona has cratered. Oregon State has passed them into first in line for a Tournament bid behind the likely bids (at least at this point) of Arizona State and Washington. The game against Arizona State looms large next week. The Beavers need at least a split, heading into next week's games with the Arizonas to be in a decent position to get an at large bid. Otherwise, Oregon State would likely need to sweep the Arizonas and Washingtons. There is a shot that the Pac-12 gets three in. If the Committee really wants Arizona State in, Oregon State needs to position itself to be selected before the Sun Devils. To feel good about their chances going that route, the Beavers need to be at least a game clear of the Devils or beat Arizona State and go deeper in the Pac-12 Tourney. You would think that a Pac-12 #3 would be better than an ACC #9, a Big Ten/Big 12/SEC #8, or even an American/Big East #4. In a normal year, I suppose? Oregon State's magic number is six. If the Beavers can amass eight wins before Selection Sunday, Oregon State should make it into the field. Short of that, the Beavers would be unlikely to receive an at large bid. New math? With the perception of the league, I really don't think that we have a shot. Even if we finish ahead of ASU, they will be taken before us due to their non-conference wins (Kansas in particular). The only way the league gets 3 teams in is if ASU finishes strong and someone besides them or UW wins the conference tourney. Here's hoping we make a run in the Pac-12 tourney. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 19, 2019 13:24:55 GMT -8
DRATINGS.COM has Oregon State as the 11th team out of the Tournament, a projected four-seed in the NIT Tournament. Arizona has cratered. Oregon State has passed them into first in line for a Tournament bid behind the likely bids (at least at this point) of Arizona State and Washington. The game against Arizona State looms large next week. The Beavers need at least a split, heading into next week's games with the Arizonas to be in a decent position to get an at large bid. Otherwise, Oregon State would likely need to sweep the Arizonas and Washingtons. There is a shot that the Pac-12 gets three in. If the Committee really wants Arizona State in, Oregon State needs to position itself to be selected before the Sun Devils. To feel good about their chances going that route, the Beavers need to be at least a game clear of the Devils or beat Arizona State and go deeper in the Pac-12 Tourney. You would think that a Pac-12 #3 would be better than an ACC #9, a Big Ten/Big 12/SEC #8, or even an American/Big East #4. In a normal year, I suppose? Oregon State's magic number is six. If the Beavers can amass eight wins before Selection Sunday, Oregon State should make it into the field. Short of that, the Beavers would be unlikely to receive an at large bid. New math? With the perception of the league, I really don't think that we have a shot. Even if we finish ahead of ASU, they will be taken before us due to their non-conference wins (Kansas in particular). The only way the league gets 3 teams in is if ASU finishes strong and someone besides them or UW wins the conference tourney. Here's hoping we make a run in the Pac-12 tourney. My bad. It all depends on the Committee. A team that is six games over .500 and finishes second in a Power Six Conference should get in over a sub-.500/8th-place in conference team from the ACC/Big Ten/Big 12/SEC. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 19, 2019 13:27:30 GMT -8
New math? With the perception of the league, I really don't think that we have a shot. Even if we finish ahead of ASU, they will be taken before us due to their non-conference wins (Kansas in particular). The only way the league gets 3 teams in is if ASU finishes strong and someone besides them or UW wins the conference tourney. Here's hoping we make a run in the Pac-12 tourney. My bad. It all depends on the Committee. A team that is six games over .500 and finishes second in a Power Six Conference should get in over a sub-.500/8th-place in conference team from the ACC/Big Ten/Big 12/SEC. You would think. But tell that to UW who won the conference a few years ago and didn't get in. USC finished 2nd last year (12-6) and had 21 wins and didn't get in. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 19, 2019 13:47:18 GMT -8
My bad. It all depends on the Committee. A team that is six games over .500 and finishes second in a Power Six Conference should get in over a sub-.500/8th-place in conference team from the ACC/Big Ten/Big 12/SEC. You would think. But tell that to UW who won the conference a few years ago and didn't get in. Washington dropped the season finale to 11-7 UCLA and then was bounced by 7-11 Oregon State in the first game of the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies went 6-5 in non-conference with head-scratching double-digit losses to Saint Louis and South Dakota State in Seattle. Arizona and Washington were each one of the first four out. The Huskies got to the final four and played Minnesota in Madison Square Garden, though. It is not a terrible fate, when compared to going one-and-done in the first four in Dayton. The Huskies were 21-10 that year. 22-10, and they probably were easily in. Arizona, which finished fourth in the Pac-12 and played Colorado in the Pac-12 Championship Game, dropped its NIT opener to Bucknell at the McKale Center by 11. Stanford finished seventh in the Pac-12 and went to the quarterfinals before bowing out to California. The Cardinal were given a three-seed. Through a series of upsets, including Bucknell upsetting Arizona, Stanford played the first three rounds at Maples en route to Madison Square Garden, where they dusted off both Massachusetts and Minnesota by double digits for an NIT Championship. Oregon finished third in the Pac-12 but were upset by one in the first game at the Staples Center by Pac-12 Champion Colorado. The Ducks were given a third seed but were set against the Huskies in the Elite Eight of the NIT. After two double-digit wins in Eugene against LSU and Iowa, Oregon bowed out to Washington by four in Seattle. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 19, 2019 13:49:33 GMT -8
You would think. But tell that to UW who won the conference a few years ago and didn't get in. Washington dropped the season finale to 11-7 UCLA and then was bounced by 7-11 Oregon State in the first game of the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies went 6-5 in non-conference with head-scratching double-digit losses to Saint Louis and South Dakota State in Seattle. Arizona and Washington were each one of the first four out. The Huskies got to the final four and played Minnesota in Madison Square Garden, though. It is not a terrible fate, when compared to going one-and-done in the first four in Dayton. The Huskies were 21-10 that year. 22-10, and they probably were easily in.
Arizona, which finished fourth in the Pac-12 and played Colorado in the Pac-12 Championship Game, dropped its NIT opener to Bucknell at the McKale Center by 11. Stanford finished seventh in the Pac-12 and went to the quarterfinals before bowing out to California. The Cardinal were given a three-seed. Through a series of upsets, including Bucknell upsetting Arizona, Stanford played the first three rounds at Maples en route to Madison Square Garden, where they dusted off both Massachusetts and Minnesota by double digits for an NIT Championship. Oregon finished third in the Pac-12 but were upset by one in the first game at the Staples Center by Pac-12 Champion Colorado. The Ducks were given a third seed but were set against the Huskies in the Elite Eight of the NIT. After two double-digit wins in Eugene against LSU and Iowa, Oregon bowed out to Washington by four in Seattle. That shouldn't matter when you finish 1st in a "power" conference. |
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Post by nabeav on Feb 19, 2019 14:02:20 GMT -8
Short of winning the conference tourney, I don't really see it happening for us.
wins vs. ASU and at UW would be absolute requirements for an at large bid. I could maybe see us getting in winning out and winning at least one in Vegas.
Maybe.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 19, 2019 14:07:13 GMT -8
Washington dropped the season finale to 11-7 UCLA and then was bounced by 7-11 Oregon State in the first game of the Pac-12 Tournament. The Huskies went 6-5 in non-conference with head-scratching double-digit losses to Saint Louis and South Dakota State in Seattle. Arizona and Washington were each one of the first four out. The Huskies got to the final four and played Minnesota in Madison Square Garden, though. It is not a terrible fate, when compared to going one-and-done in the first four in Dayton. The Huskies were 21-10 that year. 22-10, and they probably were easily in.
Arizona, which finished fourth in the Pac-12 and played Colorado in the Pac-12 Championship Game, dropped its NIT opener to Bucknell at the McKale Center by 11. Stanford finished seventh in the Pac-12 and went to the quarterfinals before bowing out to California. The Cardinal were given a three-seed. Through a series of upsets, including Bucknell upsetting Arizona, Stanford played the first three rounds at Maples en route to Madison Square Garden, where they dusted off both Massachusetts and Minnesota by double digits for an NIT Championship. Oregon finished third in the Pac-12 but were upset by one in the first game at the Staples Center by Pac-12 Champion Colorado. The Ducks were given a third seed but were set against the Huskies in the Elite Eight of the NIT. After two double-digit wins in Eugene against LSU and Iowa, Oregon bowed out to Washington by four in Seattle. That shouldn't matter when you finish 1st in a "power" conference. North Carolina was regular season champion of the ACC, went 29-5, and played in the ACC Championship Game. Kansas was regular season champion of the Big 12, went 27-6, and played in in the Big 12 Semifinals. Michigan State was regular season champion of the Big Ten, went 27-7, and won the Big Ten Tournament. Washington was the regular season champion of the Pac-12, went 21-10, and were bounced in the first game at Staples. Kentucky was the regular season champion of the SEC, went 32-2, and played in the SEC Championship Game. Which of the five do you leave out? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 19, 2019 14:13:06 GMT -8
That shouldn't matter when you finish 1st in a "power" conference. North Carolina was regular season champion of the ACC, went 29-5, and played in the ACC Championship Game. Kansas was regular season champion of the Big 12, went 27-6, and played in in the Big 12 Semifinals. Michigan State was regular season champion of the Big Ten, went 27-7, and won the Big Ten Tournament. Washington was the regular season champion of the Pac-12, went 21-10, and were bounced in the first game at Staples. Kentucky was the regular season champion of the SEC, went 32-2, and played in the SEC Championship Game. Which of the five do you leave out? What? None of them should get left out. That's my point. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 19, 2019 14:21:54 GMT -8
My bad. It all depends on the Committee. A team that is six games over .500 and finishes second in a Power Six Conference should get in over a sub-.500/8th-place in conference team from the ACC/Big Ten/Big 12/SEC. You would think. But tell that to UW who won the conference a few years ago and didn't get in. USC finished 2nd last year (12-6) and had 21 wins and didn't get in. USC lost to 13-16 Princeton, which finished sixth in the Ivy League, by 10 at a neutral site. Still, under no set of circumstances, based upon what you saw on the floor should Arizona State have leapfrogged USC. The Trojans showed themselves to be far superior to the Devils over the course of the season. Then, the Pac-12 received a weak tag, because an inferior Arizona State team got bounced in the First Four. USC did itself and the conference no favors by getting bounced by Westerm Kentucky at home, though. Utah, which finished third in the conference, salvaged the Pac-12's prestige to a certain extent by winning two at home and one at Moraga to punch its ticket to Madison Square Garden. The Utes wound up playing in, but losing, the Championship Game against Penn State. I personally think that USC getting excluded from the 2018 Tournament was more about the unfolding basketball scandal that the Trojans were implicated in, rather than what the Trojans did or did not do on the floor. |
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