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Post by seastape on Dec 2, 2018 1:00:52 GMT -8
Why not OSU to finish in the upper echelon of the conference and maybe sneak into the NCAA?
Far as I can tell, the closest thing to signature wins from a Pac 12 team this year are a uo win over Syracuse (which is nowhere near the power that it used to be) and an ASU win over #25 Miss St. (who has cremated a bunch of patsies this year). Perhaps we can give a signature moral victory to Stanford who played toe-to-toe with Kansas in a loss tonight.
On the other hand, almost every team in the Pac 12 does have a signature loss, including uo with their unstoppable recruit and the usual power teams from the conference for the past 20+ years.
I could see uo finishing strong as their team gels over the course of the season; Altman has done well in his current position as far as fielding strong teams at the end of the year. Maybe ASU is as good as they've been so far--they have been strong against minor-league teams. Maybe Stanford is showing signs of life and UCLA has athletes. Can we start to consider Arizona suddenly out of the competition at this point?
But all of those teams but Arizona St. have shown vulnerabilities this year, which is not surprising considering how bad the conference was last year. Looks like that may continue.
So why can’t OSU step into a top spot this year? We return an All Pac 12 player (Tinkle), another solid guy (Jr.), and a sophomore (E. Thompson) who seems to be rounding into form. Those three form a decent nucleus. There's role-player potential in Hollins, Big G and Reischle. Add in a couple of new guys (Kelley and Washington) that are showing some athleticism in the middle, even if the stats are not necessarily earth-shattering so far and we've got dudes who can play in the weakest Power 5 conference.
Maybe OSU can finish high enough to get a bid.
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Post by bill82 on Dec 2, 2018 7:52:07 GMT -8
IF the conference is as down as you surmise, the Pac 12 may only get three or four teams into the tournament. That has happened in the past. A top four finish would be a spectacular accomplishment. I remain skeptical about the NCAA but hold hope for the NIT.
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Post by ag87 on Dec 2, 2018 8:43:58 GMT -8
Why not OSU to finish in the upper echelon of the conference and maybe sneak into the NCAA? Maybe OSU can finish high enough to get a bid. We have a chance to make it. I like KenPom's website. This is where he has the Pac-12's teams rankings. UO 33, ASU 43, UW 47, Ariz 48, UCLA 53, USC 63, Col 67, OSU 71, Stan 96, Utah 113, Cal 163, WSU 173. So far our opponents have been UCRiverside 316, Wyoming 202, Old Dominion 94, Missouri 101, Penn 140, LongBeach 208 and Missouri State 219. Coming up are Saint Louis 72, Texas A&M 76, Pepperdine 177, KentState 156, and CentralConn 263. Right now Pom has us with a 9-9 conference record. The league is down this year and won't get many teams in the tournament. I'm guessing 11 conference wins gives us a real chance at it. If we can get a win against StL or TexA&M I think we will become a bubble team. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 9:18:59 GMT -8
Why not OSU to finish in the upper echelon of the conference and maybe sneak into the NCAA? Maybe OSU can finish high enough to get a bid. We have a chance to make it. I like KenPom's website. This is where he has the Pac-12's teams rankings. UO 33, ASU 43, UW 47, Ariz 48, UCLA 53, USC 63, Col 67, OSU 71, Stan 96, Utah 113, Cal 163, WSU 173. So far our opponents have been UCRiverside 316, Wyoming 202, Old Dominion 94, Missouri 101, Penn 140, LongBeach 208 and Missouri State 219. Coming up are Saint Louis 72, Texas A&M 76, Pepperdine 177, KentState 156, and CentralConn 263. Right now Pom has us with a 9-9 conference record. The league is down this year and won't get many teams in the tournament. I'm guessing 11 conference wins gives us a real chance at it. If we can get a win against StL or TexA&M I think we will become a bubble team. the nuts and bolts of it are getting the wins- starting with beating Saint Louis at their place next Sunday. Get that win (regardless of RPI) and the Beavs will be 8-1 and on a 4 game win streak with proven road chops (6 of last 8). Lose that one and it's right back to being a nobody. The momentum is real at this point but it mostly vanishes unless the beavs keep winning. So there is nothing to even think about beyond the next game. Saint Louis? remember this is the team the Beavs beat in the Portland Jam last December. Now forget that. This Saint Louis team is 6-1 with wins against Pitt and Butler and has an RPI of 72 (beavs are 116). They have strong guard play and constant pressure despite using mostly a 7 man rotation. Beavs will need to assert themselves immediately and execute against any pressure the Gilligans throw at them. Rise to this road challenge and they should have strong confidence going anywhere they need to go on the pac 12 road. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Dec 2, 2018 10:40:01 GMT -8
We have a chance to make it. I like KenPom's website. This is where he has the Pac-12's teams rankings. UO 33, ASU 43, UW 47, Ariz 48, UCLA 53, USC 63, Col 67, OSU 71, Stan 96, Utah 113, Cal 163, WSU 173. So far our opponents have been UCRiverside 316, Wyoming 202, Old Dominion 94, Missouri 101, Penn 140, LongBeach 208 and Missouri State 219. Coming up are Saint Louis 72, Texas A&M 76, Pepperdine 177, KentState 156, and CentralConn 263. Right now Pom has us with a 9-9 conference record. The league is down this year and won't get many teams in the tournament. I'm guessing 11 conference wins gives us a real chance at it. If we can get a win against StL or TexA&M I think we will become a bubble team. the nuts and bolts of it are getting the wins- starting with beating Saint Louis at their place next Sunday. Get that win (regardless of RPI) and the Beavs will be 8-1 and on a 4 game win streak with proven road chops (6 of last 8). Lose that one and it's right back to being a nobody. The momentum is real at this point but it mostly vanishes unless the beavs keep winning. So there is nothing to even think about beyond the next game. Saint Louis? remember this is the team the Beavs beat in the Portland Jam last December. Now forget that. This Billiken team is 6-1 with wins against Pitt and Butler and has an RPI of 72 (beavs are 116). They have strong guard play and constant pressure despite using mostly a 7 man rotation. Beavs will need to assert themselves immediately and execute against any pressure Saint Louis throws at them. Rise to this road challenge and they should have strong confidence going anywhere they need to go on the pac 12 road. Pretty spot on here...crazy to think of an early December game against St Louis as a must win, but this is pretty much it. I guess you could say that a win guarantees nothing, but a loss likely does. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 2, 2018 12:56:13 GMT -8
Why not OSU to finish in the upper echelon of the conference and maybe sneak into the NCAA? Maybe OSU can finish high enough to get a bid. We have a chance to make it. I like KenPom's website. This is where he has the Pac-12's teams rankings. UO 33, ASU 43, UW 47, Ariz 48, UCLA 53, USC 63, Col 67, OSU 71, Stan 96, Utah 113, Cal 163, WSU 173. So far our opponents have been UCRiverside 316, Wyoming 202, Old Dominion 94, Missouri 101, Penn 140, LongBeach 208 and Missouri State 219. Coming up are Saint Louis 72, Texas A&M 76, Pepperdine 177, KentState 156, and CentralConn 263. Right now Pom has us with a 9-9 conference record. The league is down this year and won't get many teams in the tournament. I'm guessing 11 conference wins gives us a real chance at it. If we can get a win against StL or TexA&M I think we will become a bubble team. 11-7 in conference, 10-2 in non-conference, and a good Pac-12 Tournament. That looks like an invite to me. A game short of that looks like the bubble. 1-3 games short of the bubble looks like the NIT. Just win the home games and steal 2-3 on the road. For each home game you drop, pick up another road win. That looks like a Tournament resume at this point. At this point, though, just win! Go Beavs! |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 2, 2018 13:15:12 GMT -8
the nuts and bolts of it are getting the wins- starting with beating Saint Louis at their place next Sunday. Get that win (regardless of RPI) and the Beavs will be 8-1 and on a 4 game win streak with proven road chops (6 of last 8). Lose that one and it's right back to being a nobody. The momentum is real at this point but it mostly vanishes unless the beavs keep winning. So there is nothing to even think about beyond the next game. Saint Louis? remember this is the team the Beavs beat in the Portland Jam last December. Now forget that. This Billiken team is 6-1 with wins against Pitt and Butler and has an RPI of 72 (beavs are 116). They have strong guard play and constant pressure despite using mostly a 7 man rotation. Beavs will need to assert themselves immediately and execute against any pressure Saint Louis throws at them. Rise to this road challenge and they should have strong confidence going anywhere they need to go on the pac 12 road. Pretty spot on here...crazy to think of an early December game against St Louis as a must win, but this is pretty much it. I guess you could say that a win guarantees nothing, but a loss likely does. St. Louis will also fill their arena for the game (can you imagine if we could do that just once maybe?). It will be a true road game in a tough venue, they had 9500+ out of a 10k venue for their game against Butler yesterday. St. Louis is no pushover and have been to the tournament fairly regularly, with their last 3 appearances in 2012-2014. A good program and definitely not a game to take lightly. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 3, 2018 11:47:10 GMT -8
Why not OSU to finish in the upper echelon of the conference and maybe sneak into the NCAA? Far as I can tell, the closest thing to signature wins from a Pac 12 team this year are a uo win over Syracuse (which is nowhere near the power that it used to be) and an ASU win over #25 Miss St. (who has cremated a bunch of patsies this year). Perhaps we can give a signature moral victory to Stanford who played toe-to-toe with Kansas in a loss tonight. On the other hand, almost every team in the Pac 12 does have a signature loss, including uo with their unstoppable recruit and the usual power teams from the conference for the past 20+ years. I could see uo finishing strong as their team gels over the course of the season; Altman has done well in his current position as far as fielding strong teams at the end of the year. Maybe ASU is as good as they've been so far--they have been strong against minor-league teams. Maybe Stanford is showing signs of life and UCLA has athletes. Can we start to consider Arizona suddenly out of the competition at this point? But all of those teams but Arizona St. have shown vulnerabilities this year, which is not surprising considering how bad the conference was last year. Looks like that may continue. So why can’t OSU step into a top spot this year? We return an All Pac 12 player (Tinkle), another solid guy (Jr.), and a sophomore (E. Thompson) who seems to be rounding into form. Those three form a decent nucleus. There's role-player potential in Hollins, Big G and Reischle. Add in a couple of new guys (Kelley and Washington) that are showing some athleticism in the middle, even if the stats are not necessarily earth-shattering so far and we've got dudes who can play in the weakest Power 5 conference. Maybe OSU can finish high enough to get a bid. Why not? Lack of a quality bench and players continuing to display inconsistency in execution. Why? We have 3 very good players and Kelley looks like he is going to be a stud/become a 4th I hope we turn some heads. I think it is there. they just have to do it already. |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 3, 2018 12:32:03 GMT -8
St. Louis is looking like a team that makes the tournament. This is pretty much a must-win for them as well. I will be very impressed if we get a W in that game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 7:36:18 GMT -8
St. Louis is looking like a team that makes the tournament. This is pretty much a must-win for them as well. I will be very impressed if we get a W in that game. <iframe width="16.700000000000045" height="3.4000000000000057" style="position: absolute; width: 16.7px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_32815949" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.700000000000045" height="3.4000000000000057" style="position: absolute; width: 16.7px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 782px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41194429" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.700000000000045" height="3.4000000000000057" style="position: absolute; width: 16.7px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 111px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69072474" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.700000000000045" height="3.4000000000000057" style="position: absolute; width: 16.7px; height: 3.4px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 782px; top: 111px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_40251578" scrolling="no"></iframe> Saint Louis plays at their "sister school" Southern Illinois tomorrow (maybe on deep cable somewhere). SI has their number apparently and beat them 7 of the last 8. SI is no slouch in their own space and the gilligans may be coming off a loss when the Beavs roll into their place Sunday. |
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