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Post by chinmusic on Sept 19, 2018 13:16:19 GMT -8
PAC-12 schools listed on the TOP-25 national rankings for the class of 2018.
BASEBALL AMERICA:
No. 6 UCLA (11 signed) No. 13 Arizona (18 signed including 4 JuCo) No. 14 USC (13 signed including 1 JuCo)
PERFECT GAME: No. 16 USC No. 17 UCLA No. 18 Arizona No. 25 Oregon (13 signed including 1 JuCo)
*** The Beavers were unranked on the Baseball America top 35 schools. OSU ranked No. 48 on the Perfect Game top 100 schools.
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 19, 2018 16:00:53 GMT -8
We'll see in 2022
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Post by jdogge on Sept 19, 2018 20:51:09 GMT -8
PAC-12 schools listed on the TOP-25 national rankings for the class of 2018.
BASEBALL AMERICA:
No. 6 UCLA (11 signed) No. 13 Arizona (18 signed including 4 JuCo) No. 14 USC (13 signed including 1 JuCo)
PERFECT GAME: No. 16 USC No. 17 UCLA No. 18 Arizona No. 25 Oregon (13 signed including 1 JuCo)
*** The Beavers were unranked on the Baseball America top 35 schools. OSU ranked No. 48 on the Perfect Game top 100 schools.
We lost seven with a bunch of top recruits redshirting. I'm not worried. |
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Post by chinmusic on Sept 19, 2018 21:04:17 GMT -8
I never worry about class rankings. As we learned a while ago, there is little correlation between class ranking and winning national championships. Over the years, the core players of Beaver baseball teams are from the Pacific Northwest. NW players don't usually receive the exposure players from other parts of the country do. Not until recently have the Beavs signed kids with the notoriety of a Madrigal, Grenier or Abel. Class rankings with Baseball America for example are heavily weighted by the number of Top-100 players signed. The best player in college baseball right now was not a ranked player in the in the High School Top-100 in 2016.
Pat Casey and staff have their own criteria for recruiting kids to OSU's program. Every program evaluates differently and OSU is truly different. The Beavers recruit kids that are good students. The history of Beaver recruits failing academically is almost nil. The staff recruits kids they personally like and want to develop. They will pass on a great prospect if they think he's a Turd. They recruit upside - lots of it and that's based upon a history of successful player development. We have confident coaches and Pro Scouts often acknowledge that. Draft an OSU player and you get an achiever with a great work ethic, high baseball IQ and is sound fundamentally.
Finally, OSU coaches sign kids that are "coachable", committed, and are unselfish. Being a team player is paramount to OSU's prospect profile. "We play for each other" - That attitude has produced three national championship teams. So far, recruiting rankings .....none that I am aware of.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 19, 2018 22:10:02 GMT -8
"The best player in college baseball right now was not a ranked player in the in the High School Top-100 in 2016"...
Great 2018 and CWS... best in college baseball right now? There are a ton of highly talented players in several positions. OSU fans are rightly bias. AR's 2019 will determine his draft positioning. As of now he is rated by some the best available college player, not best available overall... others he is not even the top draftee in Pac12 (Horn from Cal, and Quintana from Zona are mentioned by some). In any case AR is a top tier talent.
Recruiting ranks are a bit bogus... but, they are calculated based on the players you can land that are highly thought of and sought after. That does matter to coaches. Not that other players can not develop/surprise, but you land a few top 100-150's each year it makes life much easier... W's and future recruiting. Kids pay attention to where other talented kids play and the success they have there.
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Post by chinmusic on Sept 21, 2018 21:57:33 GMT -8
2019 pre-season college player rankings are largely based on 2018 metrics and projections for the coming year. Rankings are based on more than opinions and observation. The assertion that Arizona's Quintana and Cal's Horn might rank higher than Rutschman as prospects in the PAC-12 strikes me as somewhat ludicrous. Lets look at the 2018 the players had'
Rutschman hit .408, Quintana hit ,313. AR scored 56 times, Quintana 49. AR drove in 83 runs, Quintana drove in 52. AR had 22 doubles, 3 triples and 9 HR. Quintana hit 17 doubles, 0 triples, and 14 HR's. AR had an OB% of .505, Quintana had .413. AR had a SP of .628, Quintana had ..592. AR walked 53 times and struck out 42, Quintana walked 38 times and struck out 57 times.
Rutschman fielded .987, Quintana .911.
Measurables? AR is 6-2 and 215, Quintana is 5-10, 185. Comparable speed (Quintana had 0 stolen bases last year), Arm strength? I'd give AR the nod but that's subjective just based on limited observation of Quintana.
Let's look at Horn from California. Last year he had 15 starts, 0 complete games, and a 5-5 record. His ERA was a robust 6.15 in 71 2/3 IP with 52 strike outs and 42 walks. He gave up 60 runs on 82 hits. He hit 11 batters, threw 11 wild pitches and was charged with 3 balks.
Horn is a legitimate prospect as is Quintana, but statistically the Beavers return 3 guys that were better than Horn in '18. Any comparison to Rutschman at this point is a long reach. Talk with the scouts, one of the first things they bring up are his "intangibles". An American League scout told me, he doubted any player in the draft would receive a better grade.
And finally, I don't think it's Beaver bias when it comes to ranking Adley as college ball's best player right now.
Baseball America - Ranked #1
Rawlings Perfect Game - Ranked #1
D1College.baseball - Ranked #1
MLB.com (Jonathon Mayo, MLB Analyst) Ranked #1
Sporting News - listed in a small group of candidates to go "one-one".
NOTE: I've seen mention of Cal's Andrew Vaughn in all of the rankings but nothing on the two guys you mentioned. I'll keep looking.
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