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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 16, 2018 15:21:56 GMT -8
I am very intrigued in who starts and who plays next season. The only one I see as locked in is KtMac but at what position? Destiny is almost a sure thing at point. Kat and her vast improvement last year is for sure in the running. The rest is up to how they improve in the off season. We have enough guards/wings to field two really teams. Yeah, we almost have enough good players that we could field "two really good" teams, each of which could probably end in the top half of the Pac-12 standings. Regarding KMac, we are so deep that I don't see how she is guaranteed to be a starter. Assuming that we start at least 1 big by the start of the Pac-12 season, we've got a big and Slocum as sure starters IMO. Taya's size, shooting, and rebounding qualify her as a starter, too. That leaves 2 spots open for { KMac, Pivec, Tudor, Goodman, Simmons }. Can anyone prove to me based on stats that KMac is better than Pivec or Tudor? Nope. Pivec's rebounding and being solid in all other aspects puts her above KM. Tudor is a better shooter, and it's been pointed out that she's developing all other aspects of her game, too. Her skills are indispensable. Goodman is a better ballhandler and possibly a better shooter. Simmons has chutzpah, smarts, and experience beyond anything we've ever seen in a freshman at OSU. I agree Rueck will probably start KM, but only because he feels obligated. She does hit the big shot and she's got size and smarts, but other players are better. I really, really hope that all our players understand that having less court time is a necessary thing that goes along with being a (potentially) top-5 team nationally if our new bigs (PM and AA) can perform at a high level. "Simmons has chutzpah, smarts, and experience beyond anything we've ever seen in a freshman at OSU"
Simmons hasn't played a second as "a freshman at OSU" yet. How much of that chutzpah, smarts and experience displayed at the Australian club level projects to Pac-12 level remains to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 18:13:17 GMT -8
"Simmons has chutzpah, smarts, and experience beyond anything we've ever seen in a freshman at OSU"
Simmons hasn't played a second as "a freshman at OSU" yet. How much of that chutzpah, smarts and experience displayed at the Australian club level projects to Pac-12 level remains to be seen.
It's her international experience that sets her apart, for instance in her U17 world championship run and her 3x3 experience, but even her "club" experience included playing against and with professionals. She's a seasoned player who lives and breathes basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 18:17:18 GMT -8
"Goodman is a better ballhandler" (than McWilliams) hmm.. McWilliams. 55 turnovers. 1112 minutes. .05 turnovers per min. Goodman. 39 turnovers. 515 minutes. .075 turnovers per min. By KM's own admission, she can't handle the ball well against small guards. If you can't watch AG's ballhandling skills and see that they're better than KM's then you need new glasses. Also, AG's play improved significantly over the course of the season. Others have noted how she was one of the most improved players on the team. And note that AG's primary responsibility was playing PG and ballhandling, whereas KM's wasn't, so your stats really don't mean anything at all.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 16, 2018 18:34:40 GMT -8
"Goodman is a better ballhandler" (than McWilliams) hmm.. McWilliams. 55 turnovers. 1112 minutes. .05 turnovers per min. Goodman. 39 turnovers. 515 minutes. .075 turnovers per min. By KM's own admission, she can't handle the ball well against small guards. Link? If you can't watch AG's ballhandling skills and see that they're better than KM's then you need new glasses. Also, AG's play improved significantly over the course of the season. Others have noted how she was one of the most improved players on the team. I saw her committing a lot of turnovers against pressure during the entire season and I didn’t see it noticeably improve. And note that AG's primary responsibility was playing PG and ballhandling, whereas KM's wasn't, so your stats really don't mean anything at all.Turnover rates show that AG was 50% more likely to turn over possession than KMc. That cannot be ascribed entirely to position and it for sure doesn’t make AG a BETTER ball handler than KMc as you contend. Your opinion is just that and your credibility on this board when it comes to unsubstantiated statements is less than stellar.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jun 16, 2018 18:39:20 GMT -8
Jo had 18 turnovers in 279 minutes! .06 Turnovers per minute. Would’ve liked to see her run the point a little bit. Clearly her ball handling skills are superior to KtMac’s, AG’s, and Pivec’s.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 18:41:53 GMT -8
By KM's own admission, she can't handle the ball well against small guards. Link? If you can't watch AG's ballhandling skills and see that they're better than KM's then you need new glasses. Also, AG's play improved significantly over the course of the season. Others have noted how she was one of the most improved players on the team. I saw her committing ting a lot of turnovers against pressure during the entire season and I didn’t see it noticeably improve. And note that AG's primary responsibility was playing PG and ballhandling, whereas KM's wasn't, so your stats really don't mean anything at all.Turnover rates show that AG was 50% more likely to turn over possession than KMc. That cannot be ascribed entirely to position and it for sure doesn’t make AG a BETTER ball handler than KMc as you contend. Your opinion is just that and your credibility on this board when it comes to unsubstantiated statements is less than stellar. If had bothered to read articles quoting KM in the preseason, you would know that she made that statement about having trouble against small guards. You're not paying attention. And if you didn't see her ballhandling improve over the course of the season, then what was it that other people on this board who have been praising her improvement referring to? And what do you think AG got better at? Or do you think she didn't improve in any respects?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 18:46:48 GMT -8
Jo had 18 turnovers in 279 minutes! .06 Turnovers per minute. Would’ve liked to see her run the point a little bit. Clearly her ball handling skills are superior to KtMac’s, AG’s, and Pivec’s. How dare you mock the Squonk!
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 16, 2018 18:49:21 GMT -8
Jo had 18 turnovers in 279 minutes! .06 Turnovers per minute. Would’ve liked to see her run the point a little bit. Clearly her ball handling skills are superior to KtMac’s, AG’s, and Pivec’s. How dare you mock the Squonk! I’m not the one claiming AG is a better ball handler than KMc.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 16, 2018 18:54:44 GMT -8
If had bothered to read articles quoting KM in the preseason, you would know that she made that statement about having trouble against small guards. You're not paying attention. And if you didn't see her ballhandling improve over the course of the season, then what was it that other people on this board who have been praising her improvement referring to? And what do you think AG got better at? Or do you think she didn't improve in any respects? Yeah, all those articles that no longer exist to be linked on the internet. Hey, I don’t doubt you believe it. I’m just asking if you can support that opinion with some actual objective facts.
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Post by blackbug on Jun 16, 2018 21:42:30 GMT -8
This speculation is mostly fun. Predicting the starting 5 can be controversial because there is 8 to 10 who are talented enough to be a starter. This obviously stirs up debate. If picking the starting 5 was easy there would be no debate.
My thoughts on who is least likely to come off the bench from the guards. First Katie McWilliams then Mikayla Pivec next Destiny Slocum followed by Kat Tudor then Aleah Goodman and finally Jasmine Simmons.
KM has the leadership qualities and versatility that coach wants on the floor. She can even fill in at forward if coach decides he wants all 4 of the guards with starting experience on the floor. KM could even play post to put a super shooting 5 on the floor.
To me it is almost to close to call if the decision was between MP an DS. I gave the edge to MP because of versatility. She literally could start at every position except post. She might struggle some with height disadvantage at forward, but could fill the role. On the flip side DS would give the team advantages at point that they have not had in the past, so you would think coach would want her on the floor.
It would be a tough decision to bring KT in as the 6th man, but I am guessing this is pretty likely. She has done it before. There will still be minutes for her.
I think it is pretty likely that AG and JS will be coming off the bench. They both have a lot to contribute so finding minutes will be important.
Now the forward position. Taya Corosdale is obviously the returning starter. She has done nothing to lose this spot, but coach might decide to go with KM at this spot due to obvious depth and talent at guard. I am torn as to which way coach will go. If positions are followed according to the roster then TC will start with Madison Washington back up and Janessa Thropay next.
Predicting center is challenging. The defense coach uses is very dependent on an intimidating post. The value of scoring is beneficial, but not completely necessary. Last year was the first time coach had such dynamic scoring abilities at post since arriving here. I think Joanna Grymek will be the starter due to the ability to fill the role. I don't think coach will go with a small lineup to start even though this may put the 5 most talented on the court. I do think the small lineup will be used more. JG will probably get 20-25 minutes a game. I could see JT filling the role of post with success, but I think TC and MW would struggle. Of course Andrea Aquino and Patricia Morris will get playing time, but I don't think they will overtake JG next year. I do understand that the ceiling for AA and PM is higher, but the role to fill is intimidating defensive post because none of the candidates will provide what Marie Gulich did, next year. Interesting thought AA could literally sub in at every spot next year except point, except minutes would be harder to come by at all the other spots.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 10:03:34 GMT -8
To me it is almost to close to call if the decision was between MP an DS. I gave the edge to MP because of versatility. She literally could start at every position except post. She might struggle some with height disadvantage at forward, but could fill the role. On the flip side DS would give the team advantages at point that they have not had in the past, so you would think coach would want her on the floor. There's no question about who the starting PG will be. It's Slocum. She is the player we've missed for years in terms of speed, ballhandling, and passing. We have no other player as dynamic as she is, as a playmaker or ballhandler. You seem to suggest there is some doubt about starting, when there is in fact none. Her passing skills will create assists to open players like you've never seen before from a PG at OSU. Just look at her video:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 10:09:36 GMT -8
KM has the leadership qualities and versatility that coach wants on the floor. She can even fill in at forward if coach decides he wants all 4 of the guards with starting experience on the floor. KM could even play post to put a super shooting 5 on the floor. You and others talk like KM has proven leadership qualities, when in fact nothing has been proven. The team deferred to Sydney for leadership, then Marie. If KM had leadership skills then I would have expected something more out of her than the diffidence on the court that she has consistently demonstrated. She does not, or is not able to, drive to the hoop. She has never been vocal on the floor. People seem to think she'll be all Pac-12 this season, but that's a pipe dream. She's a senior, and to expect a lot of development from her at this stage is wishful thinking. People seem to forget how they've complained in the past about her not being more aggressive out there, as a scorer and rebounder.
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Post by bennyskid on Jun 17, 2018 10:58:27 GMT -8
Hmmm. Let's check her resume. "Co-captain of Elite Eight Basketball Team, 2017-2018".
If being "vocal" is the key to leadership, then Nick Madrigal is hopeless and Pat Casey is clearly an idiot for making him captain. I don't remember whether Ruth Hamblin was ever a captain, but she obviously was a terrible leader. What you call "diffidence", I call "keeping her head in the game".
And she doesn't have to "develop" to be all-conference. She was Honorable Mention last season. Without a scoring center, Katie has a good chance to be the top scorer on the team, and the top scorer on one of the top-three teams in the conference is going to be All-Conference. Of course, that spot could go to Kat, Mik, Jazz, or even Taya, but Katie has the inside track just based on minutes played. (Destiny will be all-conference, period, and will be in line for national honors, as well.)
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jun 17, 2018 11:56:16 GMT -8
Based of his body of posts I'd bet the farm that Katie at least doubles his basketball IQ.
Just because coach Rueck and her team mates both wanted her as a co-captain doesn't mean she is a leader, oh wait, maybe it does.
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Post by blackbug on Jun 17, 2018 20:58:03 GMT -8
KM has the leadership qualities and versatility that coach wants on the floor. She can even fill in at forward if coach decides he wants all 4 of the guards with starting experience on the floor. KM could even play post to put a super shooting 5 on the floor. You and others talk like KM has proven leadership qualities, when in fact nothing has been proven. The team deferred to Sydney for leadership, then Marie. If KM had leadership skills then I would have expected something more out of her than the diffidence on the court that she has consistently demonstrated. She does not, or is not able to, drive to the hoop. She has never been vocal on the floor. People seem to think she'll be all Pac-12 this season, but that's a pipe dream. She's a senior, and to expect a lot of development from her at this stage is wishful thinking. People seem to forget how they've complained in the past about her not being more aggressive out there, as a scorer and rebounder. It is fine with me that we disagree. If there were not different view points there would be very little to discuss. The first point was that it is a tough decision because there are 4 with starting experience for 3 spots. Pretending like it is not a tough decision when all 4 deserve the honor is disingenuous. Saying that Destiny Slocum is the 3rd least likely to come off the bench is actually predicting she will start, not the other way around. Time will tell what the decision is that coach makes. Maybe he will consult you before the final decision or maybe others on the board with different opinions .
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