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Post by Bodhisattva on Jun 3, 2018 21:14:26 GMT -8
their pitcher Fotenot was actually painting corners really well but didn’t get any calls. When are we going to get computer called balls/strikes? The technology is there. You don’t need to adopt all season, but put it in place for playoffs.
Is is it just the purest baseball dudes digging their heals in on making the change?
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 4, 2018 5:23:09 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways.
If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS.
Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 5:46:57 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways. If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS. Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time. Umpires are part of the game. Baseball is for humans not robots.
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 4, 2018 7:59:32 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways. If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS. Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time. Umpires are part of the game. Baseball is for humans not robots. Huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 8:07:01 GMT -8
Umpires are part of the game. Baseball is for humans not robots. Huh? It is eerie how much that batter robot looks like Nick Madrigal.
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Post by matthew on Jun 4, 2018 8:11:22 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways. If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS. Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time. Umpires are part of the game. Baseball is for humans not robots. But they don't have to be. Until recent advances in technology, computer called strike / ball decisions weren't possible, they are now today. That's the kind of thinking that goes against instant replay - technology that didn't exist when the game was created but does now. It's done for farer play. Heck that's the logic that says swimming still should use a mechanical stopwatch because timer response time was part of the competition and even if someone beats someone else by .01 seconds, too bad it's the humans that count.
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Post by matthew on Jun 4, 2018 8:14:25 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways. If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS. Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time. It appeared to me that way. Able certainly had pitches that were really close and they seemed to be called balls not strikes. I don't think anyone can lay claim to some balls that were called strikes. Which is a really bad stat for LSU; a tight strike zone favors the batter and even with the tight strike zone, Able went 8+ with zero runs. A hell of a showing for a Sophomore. With Greg Street's strike zone, Able would have pitched a no hitter.
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Post by seastape on Jun 4, 2018 8:18:28 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways. If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS. Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time. It appeared to me that way. Able certainly had pitches that were really close and they seemed to be called balls not strikes. I don't think anyone can lay claim to some balls that were called strikes. Which is a really bad stat for LSU; a tight strike zone favors the batter and even with the tight strike zone, Able went 8+ with zero runs. A hell of a showing for a Sophomore. With Greg Street's strike zone, Able would have pitched a no hitter. Abel is a freshman
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 4, 2018 8:31:31 GMT -8
An umpire is going to give the pitcher the benefit of the doubt if the pitcher is constantly around thec plate. If the pitcher is throwing all over the place the pitcher won't get the same benefit. Abel was constantly around the plate the other guy wasn't.
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 4, 2018 8:32:38 GMT -8
I would prefer computerized balls and strikes over the current version of replay.
I'd rather that replay simply overturned egregiously bad calls as opposed to the ticky-tack stuff that it sometimes gets down to.
Computer balls and strikes, I'd be totally on board with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 8:43:30 GMT -8
I would prefer computerized balls and strikes over the current version of replay. I'd rather that replay simply overturned egregiously bad calls as opposed to the ticky-tack stuff that it sometimes gets down to. Computer balls and strikes, I'd be totally on board with. totally going to miss the STEEE RIKE! call. Especially when it's your pitcher and he nails down a huge K to get out of a jam. Some of that stuff does add to the game. Yeah the human error and especially bias is frustrating but eliminating it is not without cost.
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 4, 2018 9:09:47 GMT -8
I would prefer computerized balls and strikes over the current version of replay. I'd rather that replay simply overturned egregiously bad calls as opposed to the ticky-tack stuff that it sometimes gets down to. Computer balls and strikes, I'd be totally on board with. totally going to miss the STEEE RIKE! call. Especially when it's your pitcher and he nails down a huge K to get out of a jam. Some of that stuff does add to the game. Yeah the human error and especially bias is frustrating but eliminating it is not without cost. You wouldn't miss the STEE RIKE! call. The way it's done currently (in some independent leagues) is that a guy in the booth immediately tells the HP ump ball or strike and he makes the call on the field. I can only assume that if it were fully implemented that the ump would just get the electronic call in his ear-piece without the need for the guy in the booth to relay the message. There will still need to be a guy behind the plate to yell out the pitch result.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:19:26 GMT -8
totally going to miss the STEEE RIKE! call. Especially when it's your pitcher and he nails down a huge K to get out of a jam. Some of that stuff does add to the game. Yeah the human error and especially bias is frustrating but eliminating it is not without cost. You wouldn't miss the STEE RIKE! call. The way it's done currently (in some independent leagues) is that a guy in the booth immediately tells the HP ump ball or strike and he makes the call on the field. I can only assume that if it were fully implemented that the ump would just get the electronic call in his ear-piece without the need for the guy in the booth to relay the message. There will still need to be a guy behind the plate to yell out the pitch result. I don't doubt what you are saying but a proxy ump is ridiculous and im sure soon it will just be a digital readout and a sound over the loudspeakers. Part of the stee rike call is the UMP selling it. I guess you either see what im saying or you dont. Probably not explaining it well either.
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Post by Bodhisattva on Jun 4, 2018 9:21:27 GMT -8
A tight strike zone is fine as long as the calls go both ways. If you are saying that OSU had a different strike zone than LSU, then there’s a unfair advantage. Like last years Greg Street/LSU debacle in the CWS. Ultimately you want a true and consistent strike zone and I’m not sure humans are capable of that 100% of the time. Problem usually the strike zone changes as the game goes on. It is never consistent. I've umpired before, it's a tough job. Those guys that are real good are rarer than you think, especially at the collegiate level. The debacle at Omaha last year would have dramatically changed the game. Not sure where these umps were from, but I know last year it seemed like most of our regular season games had umps with tight strike zones. We adapted to that, and forced a lot of walks on opposing pitchers because of our patience at the plate. We almost seemed to try to foul balls off, and wait for them to walk us. Last night LSU plate discipline was poor. They probably could have forced some more walks, but that just isn't part of their mojo to not try to play hero ball.
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Post by wetrodentia on Jun 4, 2018 9:30:13 GMT -8
Maybe these are stupid questions but does the computer determine the strike zone based on player size? Chest to knee distance? Player stance (upright vs. crouch)? Do the players need to be measured each year? Is the strike zone a hovering three dimensional box above the plate that the ball has to touch any part of to be called a strike? The whole ball? 50+ % of the ball? If the catcher's glove enters that box during the pitch will the computer distinguish between the ball and glove? Would that be interference?
Inquiring minds.
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