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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 7:48:06 GMT -8
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Post by mbabeav on May 18, 2018 9:04:12 GMT -8
Kwan is going to be a pick in the first 5 rounds - he has just absolutely dominated the last half of the season. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 18, 2018 9:14:34 GMT -8
Top 5 rounds may be a stretching it a little, but I'd say in the top 10 rounds for sure.
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Post by kersting13 on May 18, 2018 10:40:53 GMT -8
Top 5 rounds may be a stretching it a little, but I'd say in the top 10 rounds for sure. I can't pretend to be an MLB scout, so I won't speculate Kwan's true value, but you'd think someone with the kind of plate discipline he shows would be a desirable asset in pro ball. I can't say how much his lack of power and his defensive skills will translate. |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 18, 2018 11:02:52 GMT -8
Top 5 rounds may be a stretching it a little, but I'd say in the top 10 rounds for sure. I can't pretend to be an MLB scout, so I won't speculate Kwan's true value, but you'd think someone with the kind of plate discipline he shows would be a desirable asset in pro ball. I can't say how much his lack of power and his defensive skills will translate. Kwan doesn't translate to the MLB level... for a guy his size it is not his offense. As mentioned he is not extraordinarily fast and a has a minus minus arm, even as a LF. He is a roster filler for a minor league team and if he surprises will come very cheap... think a Joey Wong type of asset. But, you never know in the draft... need is the number 1 factor and who is not taken when a slot comes up for the next team. But, I can see him going until way late. Just as Nick maybe a top talent, the needs for teams picking early determine his selection. Spots 1, 2, 3 (Detroit, SF, Phillies) desperately need pitching, that may unfortunately "drop" Nick to the 4 slot to the White Sox, being he could be the first "bat" selected. But, the Sox also covert the Bart kid from a Georgia... seen as a great catching prospect! Also the 3B (India) from Florida is really tearing it up (.384, 16 HRs) and could be a surprise Top 5 pick. Pitching talent is plentiful and 6-7 of the top 10/12-15 of the top 20 picks could be HS and college pitchers this year. Just never know... |
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Post by lotrader on May 18, 2018 13:08:46 GMT -8
Kwan can help his draft position if he stays "hot" in the post season when OSU will get lots of exposure.
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Post by kersting13 on May 18, 2018 22:13:22 GMT -8
I can't pretend to be an MLB scout, so I won't speculate Kwan's true value, but you'd think someone with the kind of plate discipline he shows would be a desirable asset in pro ball. I can't say how much his lack of power and his defensive skills will translate. Kwan doesn't translate to the MLB level... for a guy his size it is not his offense. As mentioned he is not extraordinarily fast and a has a minus minus arm, even as a LF. He is a roster filler for a minor league team and if he surprises will come very cheap... think a Joey Wong type of asset. But, you never know in the draft... need is the number 1 factor and who is not taken when a slot comes up for the next team. But, I can see him going until way late. Just as Nick maybe a top talent, the needs for teams picking early determine his selection. Spots 1, 2, 3 (Detroit, SF, Phillies) desperately need pitching, that may unfortunately "drop" Nick to the 4 slot to the White Sox, being he could be the first "bat" selected. But, the Sox also covert the Bart kid from a Georgia... seen as a great catching prospect! Also the 3B (India) from Florida is really tearing it up (.384, 16 HRs) and could be a surprise Top 5 pick. Pitching talent is plentiful and 6-7 of the top 10/12-15 of the top 20 picks could be HS and college pitchers this year. Just never know... An MLB team drafting for 'need' would be the stupidest draft plan ever. Drafted players - even at the top of the first round - are rarely ready for prime-time within 2 years, and projecting your 'needs' 2-3, maybe 5 years down the road is a bad idea. NFL teams, who can fairly well count on top 15 draft picks getting on the field in year 1, often draft the "best player available" rather than drafting for 'need'. I doubt the Tigers, Giants, or Phillies will pass on Nick due to him not fitting with their needs. They'll pass on him because they think there's a better player out there. SaveSave |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 19, 2018 8:45:26 GMT -8
Kwan doesn't translate to the MLB level... for a guy his size it is not his offense. As mentioned he is not extraordinarily fast and a has a minus minus arm, even as a LF. He is a roster filler for a minor league team and if he surprises will come very cheap... think a Joey Wong type of asset. But, you never know in the draft... need is the number 1 factor and who is not taken when a slot comes up for the next team. But, I can see him going until way late. Just as Nick maybe a top talent, the needs for teams picking early determine his selection. Spots 1, 2, 3 (Detroit, SF, Phillies) desperately need pitching, that may unfortunately "drop" Nick to the 4 slot to the White Sox, being he could be the first "bat" selected. But, the Sox also covert the Bart kid from a Georgia... seen as a great catching prospect! Also the 3B (India) from Florida is really tearing it up (.384, 16 HRs) and could be a surprise Top 5 pick. Pitching talent is plentiful and 6-7 of the top 10/12-15 of the top 20 picks could be HS and college pitchers this year. Just never know... An MLB team drafting for 'need' would be the stupidest draft plan ever. Drafted players - even at the top of the first round - are rarely ready for prime-time within 2 years, and projecting your 'needs' 2-3, maybe 5 years down the road is a bad idea. NFL teams, who can fairly well count on top 15 draft picks getting on the field in year 1, often draft the "best player available" rather than drafting for 'need'. I doubt the Tigers, Giants, or Phillies will pass on Nick due to him not fitting with their needs. They'll pass on him because they think there's a better player out there. SaveSaveLMAO... you don't think teams draft on needs? Project players possible development and major league readiness/time table? Bad idea indeed... it is what the draft is all about, trying to predict player development, especially for HS pitchers who are not yet fully developed physically.  They'll pass because they NEED arms in their system vs a bat. No matter the era arms are more valuable, volatile, and make up the majority of the rosters. "Arms" are needed, not necessarily better "players". You can go to all the sites you want, but with MLB draft prospects rarely are the kids rated the same or the draft boards the same. BUT... this years top 50 is pretty solidly accepted by most scouting directors: 26 HS / 24 college Top 10... 5 HS / 5 college 7 of top 10 pitchers no college "bat" in top 10... Nick is the highest rated college bat (rated at 60) at #11 Most agree that the top 50 looks pretty close to: RHP: 18 (11 are HS kids) OF: 11 LHP: 7 (Luke not one!) SS: 4 3B: 3 1B: 3 C: 3 2B: 1 Of course drafting position is determined by each team... their board... based on their projections and need. You don't draft a 2B if you have several solid ones in your system and you have needs other places. But, then again you may have conflicting experience?! |
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Post by jdogge on May 19, 2018 9:36:32 GMT -8
I can't pretend to be an MLB scout, so I won't speculate Kwan's true value, but you'd think someone with the kind of plate discipline he shows would be a desirable asset in pro ball. I can't say how much his lack of power and his defensive skills will translate. Kwan doesn't translate to the MLB level... for a guy his size it is not his offense. As mentioned he is not extraordinarily fast and a has a minus minus arm, even as a LF. He is a roster filler for a minor league team and if he surprises will come very cheap... think a Joey Wong type of asset. But, you never know in the draft... need is the number 1 factor and who is not taken when a slot comes up for the next team. But, I can see him going until way late. Just as Nick maybe a top talent, the needs for teams picking early determine his selection. Spots 1, 2, 3 (Detroit, SF, Phillies) desperately need pitching, that may unfortunately "drop" Nick to the 4 slot to the White Sox, being he could be the first "bat" selected. But, the Sox also covert the Bart kid from a Georgia... seen as a great catching prospect! Also the 3B (India) from Florida is really tearing it up (.384, 16 HRs) and could be a surprise Top 5 pick. Pitching talent is plentiful and 6-7 of the top 10/12-15 of the top 20 picks could be HS and college pitchers this year. Just never know... Has Luke pitched his way into the first or second round? |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 19, 2018 10:22:26 GMT -8
Kwan doesn't translate to the MLB level... for a guy his size it is not his offense. As mentioned he is not extraordinarily fast and a has a minus minus arm, even as a LF. He is a roster filler for a minor league team and if he surprises will come very cheap... think a Joey Wong type of asset. But, you never know in the draft... need is the number 1 factor and who is not taken when a slot comes up for the next team. But, I can see him going until way late. Just as Nick maybe a top talent, the needs for teams picking early determine his selection. Spots 1, 2, 3 (Detroit, SF, Phillies) desperately need pitching, that may unfortunately "drop" Nick to the 4 slot to the White Sox, being he could be the first "bat" selected. But, the Sox also covert the Bart kid from a Georgia... seen as a great catching prospect! Also the 3B (India) from Florida is really tearing it up (.384, 16 HRs) and could be a surprise Top 5 pick. Pitching talent is plentiful and 6-7 of the top 10/12-15 of the top 20 picks could be HS and college pitchers this year. Just never know... Has Luke pitched his way into the first or second round? According to the limited scouts I visit with/know... he is 1st round talent, but it is a front office decision as there are lots of good arms available. The talk is that he'll go lower because there is less hype afforded those in rounds 3 on... There is no doubt in any of their minds of Luke's talent and character. He'll pitch after his career here... |
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Post by kersting13 on May 19, 2018 19:42:45 GMT -8
An MLB team drafting for 'need' would be the stupidest draft plan ever. Drafted players - even at the top of the first round - are rarely ready for prime-time within 2 years, and projecting your 'needs' 2-3, maybe 5 years down the road is a bad idea. NFL teams, who can fairly well count on top 15 draft picks getting on the field in year 1, often draft the "best player available" rather than drafting for 'need'. I doubt the Tigers, Giants, or Phillies will pass on Nick due to him not fitting with their needs. They'll pass on him because they think there's a better player out there. SaveSaveLMAO... you don't think teams draft on needs? Project players possible development and major league readiness/time table? Bad idea indeed... it is what the draft is all about, trying to predict player development, especially for HS pitchers who are not yet fully developed physically. They'll pass because they NEED arms in their system vs a bat. No matter the era arms are more valuable, volatile, and make up the majority of the rosters. "Arms" are needed, not necessarily better "players". You can go to all the sites you want, but with MLB draft prospects rarely are the kids rated the same or the draft boards the same. BUT... this years top 50 is pretty solidly accepted by most scouting directors: 26 HS / 24 college Top 10... 5 HS / 5 college 7 of top 10 pitchers no college "bat" in top 10... Nick is the highest rated college bat (rated at 60) at #11 Most agree that the top 50 looks pretty close to: RHP: 18 (11 are HS kids) OF: 11 LHP: 7 (Luke not one!) SS: 4 3B: 3 1B: 3 C: 3 2B: 1 Of course drafting position is determined by each team... their board... based on their projections and need. You don't draft a 2B if you have several solid ones in your system and you have needs other places. But, then again you may have conflicting experience?! I think any team that drafts based on need over the best player available is doing it wrong - especially in the MLB. Trades are easy in the MLB. A team with a back-log of middle infielders in their system can trade their surplus for whatever their deficiency is, and vice versa, and it would be a helluva lot more efficient than reaching for a draft pick based on need. But, we all know you're such an insider, you know that nobody uses a BPA strategy. Again, I say, any MLB team who drafts on "need" has the stupidest front office in baseball. But, you keep on believing what you believe. Everyone on this site knows that arguing with you is less productive than beating their heads against a brick wall. SaveSave |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 19, 2018 20:07:53 GMT -8
LMAO... you don't think teams draft on needs? Project players possible development and major league readiness/time table? Bad idea indeed... it is what the draft is all about, trying to predict player development, especially for HS pitchers who are not yet fully developed physically. They'll pass because they NEED arms in their system vs a bat. No matter the era arms are more valuable, volatile, and make up the majority of the rosters. "Arms" are needed, not necessarily better "players". You can go to all the sites you want, but with MLB draft prospects rarely are the kids rated the same or the draft boards the same. BUT... this years top 50 is pretty solidly accepted by most scouting directors: 26 HS / 24 college Top 10... 5 HS / 5 college 7 of top 10 pitchers no college "bat" in top 10... Nick is the highest rated college bat (rated at 60) at #11 Most agree that the top 50 looks pretty close to: RHP: 18 (11 are HS kids) OF: 11 LHP: 7 (Luke not one!) SS: 4 3B: 3 1B: 3 C: 3 2B: 1 Of course drafting position is determined by each team... their board... based on their projections and need. You don't draft a 2B if you have several solid ones in your system and you have needs other places. But, then again you may have conflicting experience?! I think any team that drafts based on need over the best player available is doing it wrong - especially in the MLB. Trades are easy in the MLB. A team with a back-log of middle infielders in their system can trade their surplus for whatever their deficiency is, and vice versa, and it would be a helluva lot more efficient than reaching for a draft pick based on need. But, we all know you're such an insider, you know that nobody uses a BPA strategy. Again, I say, any MLB team who drafts on "need" has the stupidest front office in baseball. But, you keep on believing what you believe. Everyone on this site knows that arguing with you is less productive than beating their heads against a brick wall. SaveSaveThere is no argument... or belief vs non. Almost every draft in every sport is based on NEED. "Best player" is complete conjecture and based on development that is not always in the teams control. It's why there are the inane Jordan vs Bowie or Oden vs Durrant debates fueled by 20/20 hindsight. And, you really don't need to be an "insider", just have paid attention. When there is a consensus stud like, Griffey or ARod, you obviously take them. But, even supposed sure things have flopped. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on May 19, 2018 20:46:58 GMT -8
And, you really don't need to be an "insider", just have paid attention. When there is a consensus stud like, Griffey or ARod, you obviously take them. But, even supposed sure things have flopped. You followed Brian Bosworths career didn't you? |
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Post by beavs6 on May 20, 2018 6:59:04 GMT -8
And, you really don't need to be an "insider", just have paid attention. When there is a consensus stud like, Griffey or ARod, you obviously take them. But, even supposed sure things have flopped. You followed Brian Bosworths career didn't you? Tony Mandrich(sp?) |
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Post by kersting13 on May 20, 2018 8:37:26 GMT -8
I think any team that drafts based on need over the best player available is doing it wrong - especially in the MLB. Trades are easy in the MLB. A team with a back-log of middle infielders in their system can trade their surplus for whatever their deficiency is, and vice versa, and it would be a helluva lot more efficient than reaching for a draft pick based on need. But, we all know you're such an insider, you know that nobody uses a BPA strategy. Again, I say, any MLB team who drafts on "need" has the stupidest front office in baseball. But, you keep on believing what you believe. Everyone on this site knows that arguing with you is less productive than beating their heads against a brick wall. SaveSaveThere is no argument... or belief vs non. Almost every draft in every sport is based on NEED. "Best player" is complete conjecture and based on development that is not always in the teams control. It's why there are the inane Jordan vs Bowie or Oden vs Durrant debates fueled by 20/20 hindsight. And, you really don't need to be an "insider", just have paid attention. When there is a consensus stud like, Griffey or ARod, you obviously take them. But, even supposed sure things have flopped.  SaveSave |
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