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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 10, 2018 12:22:24 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 10, 2018 13:18:56 GMT -8
Sorry to see him go. I always liked the way he played. Curious if we'll try to fill all four open scholarship spots this year or hold one over. Not sure how out of the blue the Kone and Manuel transfers were, and if Tinkle has been recruiting for this year knowing we'd have plenty of spots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 7:26:30 GMT -8
Sorry to see him go. I always liked the way he played. Curious if we'll try to fill all four open scholarship spots this year or hold one over. Not sure how out of the blue the Kone and Manuel transfers were, and if Tinkle has been recruiting for this year knowing we'd have plenty of So far from last year's team we have lost five players with no ball handling skills
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 11, 2018 8:58:54 GMT -8
Sorry to see him go. I always liked the way he played. Curious if we'll try to fill all four open scholarship spots this year or hold one over. Not sure how out of the blue the Kone and Manuel transfers were, and if Tinkle has been recruiting for this year knowing we'd have plenty of So far from last year's team we have lost five players with no ball handling skills With 3 returners prob on the court 36+min a game, how many do you need to fill two spots and minimal substitutions? 🤔😁
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 9:29:41 GMT -8
With 3 returners prob on the court 36+min a game, how many do you need to fill two spots and minimal substitutions? 🤔😁 of
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 11, 2018 9:51:04 GMT -8
I have been trying to figure out if Tinkles lack of rotation his a trend with him, or new. At Montana, in 2014, he had 3 players average over 30, high of 36 minutes. 3 more average 25 minutes or more, 1 more over 20. He effectively had a true 7 man rotation. 2013: 3 players over 30, high of 36, 2 players at 24 minutes, then 4 players with 10 or more minutes and 4 players with spot minutes. pretty close to a real rotation. 2012: more of the same. This season, 4 players over 30 minutes, Nobody else even in the 20 minute average. Berger and Hollins nearly equal at 13 minutes. Kendal and Big G nearly even at 10 minutes. Last season was also a mess. It looks to me, like at Montana Tinkle had more of a true rotation of players, but it has been more narrow at Oregon State. I think this is reflective of not getting the talent he wants, and the pressure to win. He is stuck in a cycle of needing to win now, but needing to develop talent and not giving the guys the shot to help, so they don't develop and at the same time, riding a few players too hard and wearing them down as the season grinds. And now he has put himself in a bit of a bind. players leaving for playing time. and quite frankly players that *could* be solid contributors here, if put into a more balanced rotation.
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 11, 2018 9:59:33 GMT -8
I have been trying to figure out if Tinkles lack of rotation his a trend with him, or new. At Montana, in 2014, he had 3 players average over 30, high of 36 minutes. 3 more average 25 minutes or more, 1 more over 20. He effectively had a true 7 man rotation. 2013: 3 players over 30, high of 36, 2 players at 24 minutes, then 4 players with 10 or more minutes and 4 players with spot minutes. pretty close to a real rotation. 2012: more of the same. This season, 4 players over 30 minutes, Nobody else even in the 20 minute average. Berger and Hollins nearly equal at 13 minutes. Kendal and Big G nearly even at 10 minutes. Last season was also a mess. It looks to me, like at Montana Tinkle had more of a true rotation of players, but it has been more narrow at Oregon State. I think this is reflective of not getting the talent he wants, and the pressure to win. He is stuck in a cycle of needing to win now, but needing to develop talent and not giving the guys the shot to help, so they don't develop and at the same time, riding a few players too hard and wearing them down as the season grinds. And now he has put himself in a bit of a bind. players leaving for playing time. and quite frankly players that *could* be solid contributors here, if put into a more balanced rotation. My armchair guy thoughts on Tinkle's rotation: I think he really does go into games with the best intentions, thinking he has a "real" 8 or 9 man rotation and then once the game starts and the jacket is off, sheer panic sets in (the pressure to win that you referred to) and he completely abandon's ship rather than give his bench guys a chance to contribute.
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Post by bill82 on Apr 11, 2018 10:02:39 GMT -8
I have been trying to figure out if Tinkles lack of rotation his a trend with him, or new. It looks to me, like at Montana Tinkle had more of a true rotation of players, but it has been more narrow at Oregon State. I think this is reflective of not getting the talent he wants, and the pressure to win. He has never had four children of coaches/AD before. That could be at play as well. If it is not, I'm sure some players have that perception. That may be another reason people are leaving.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 10:48:02 GMT -8
I have been trying to figure out if Tinkles lack of rotation his a trend with him, or new. It looks to me, like at Montana Tinkle had more of a true rotation of players, but it has been more narrow at Oregon State. I think this is reflective of not getting the talent he wants, and the pressure to win. He has never had four children of coaches/AD before. That could be at play as well. If it is not, I'm sure some players have that perception. That may be another reason people are leaving. wait four ? i did not get that memo. Who is 4?
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Post by Tigardbeav on Apr 11, 2018 11:34:48 GMT -8
He has never had four children of coaches/AD before. That could be at play as well. If it is not, I'm sure some players have that perception. That may be another reason people are leaving. wait four ? i did not get that memo. Who is 4? LOL. I looked at that too and said..get out your fingers. Who's a baby daddy?
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 11, 2018 11:57:13 GMT -8
Scott Barnes' kid. I think that's rounding up for effect since he never saw any action - and probably doesn't weigh into any playing time decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 13:30:18 GMT -8
Scott Barnes' kid. I think that's rounding up for effect since he never saw any action - and probably doesn't weigh into any playing time decisions. interesting
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 11, 2018 14:40:55 GMT -8
I have been trying to figure out if Tinkles lack of rotation his a trend with him, or new. At Montana, in 2014, he had 3 players average over 30, high of 36 minutes. 3 more average 25 minutes or more, 1 more over 20. He effectively had a true 7 man rotation. 2013: 3 players over 30, high of 36, 2 players at 24 minutes, then 4 players with 10 or more minutes and 4 players with spot minutes. pretty close to a real rotation. 2012: more of the same. This season, 4 players over 30 minutes, Nobody else even in the 20 minute average. Berger and Hollins nearly equal at 13 minutes. Kendal and Big G nearly even at 10 minutes. Last season was also a mess. It looks to me, like at Montana Tinkle had more of a true rotation of players, but it has been more narrow at Oregon State. I think this is reflective of not getting the talent he wants, and the pressure to win. He is stuck in a cycle of needing to win now, but needing to develop talent and not giving the guys the shot to help, so they don't develop and at the same time, riding a few players too hard and wearing them down as the season grinds. And now he has put himself in a bit of a bind. players leaving for playing time. and quite frankly players that *could* be solid contributors here, if put into a more balanced rotation. Teams like Duke, Kansas, N. Carolina & Arizona must not be getting the talent that want. They all have 4 players at or above 30 min/game. I think hoping for an 8+ man rotation is a bit much, considering the bigger schools aren't able to accomplish that feat. There have been several teams that have won the tournament with 6 or 7 man rotations.
These kids are young and should be in good enough shape to play 32-36 min. per game if needed. It would be nice if we had the luxury to rest kids a couple more minutes per game, but there has been a very significant drop off in talent during the past 20+ years if we go deeper than 6-7 players. Wayne does need to try and get the bench players some more time in the preseason, but we haven't exactly been blowing teams out which would allow him to do that.
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Post by gowenbeavs on Apr 11, 2018 17:49:17 GMT -8
These transfers are a blessing. Now if we can replace them with some berger and hollins day sauce that would be sweet
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Post by thetruebeav on Apr 11, 2018 20:51:27 GMT -8
I have been trying to figure out if Tinkles lack of rotation his a trend with him, or new. It looks to me, like at Montana Tinkle had more of a true rotation of players, but it has been more narrow at Oregon State. I think this is reflective of not getting the talent he wants, and the pressure to win. He has never had four children of coaches/AD before. That could be at play as well. If it is not, I'm sure some players have that perception. That may be another reason people are leaving. I appreciate the players that just have announced their transfers for how they represented OSU. I will just say.....I'm excited for the future scholarships. I feel that Kone has not been the same w the injury and Manual was a role type player. Again.... I'm excited for the open scholarships.
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