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Mar 30, 2018 7:44:13 GMT -8
Post by bigtoofbeaver on Mar 30, 2018 7:44:13 GMT -8
I noticed in tonight's game we did very little bunting if any. Last year we used it very effectively. What gives with this year's team?
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 30, 2018 8:22:04 GMT -8
I noticed in tonight's game we did very little bunting if any. Last year we used it very effectively. What gives with this year's team? To over simplify... be bluntly honest? We're not near as good as recent teams in ANY area of the game. People will say the run production is fine... yep vs inferior schedule. Yet not solid offensive baseball when a GS is the only reason you weren't totally outclassed by a 4-19 team with horrendous pitching staff/stats. Lack of bunts normally attempted/executed, poor base running, picks, not advancing runners have been the rule, not the exception so far. The most disappointing, and best quality of the last dozen or so years, mental toughness/focus/taking each game as one and done... is not there. Two league losses is not the end of the world. However, losing to UW and UU is very indicative of this team's failings. I thought 23-7, top two in Pac12 was realistic at the start. Right now we look to be the 20-10 team hoping to host a regional. But... OSU lost a TON from that 56-6... way more than some wanted to believe. Far more than dumb arse pollsters ever see from a distance. Win this series. Head home, scrape together a split with Nevada (not sure who all pitches if BP is used a bunch today and tomorrow??), and win the series at Zona. That will keep OSU in touch with the Pac12 lead and hopefully this team will start looking like BEAVERS. |
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Post by cbeavs1 on Mar 30, 2018 8:57:43 GMT -8
I couldn't agree more. We have lost our way in who we are and how Beaver baseball is played. Suddenly, we think we can outscore people instead of manufacturing runs. I'll pick on Kwan in two instances that stick out in my mind. That being said, one could use any of the starters for an example. Recently, in fact last night, a senior leadoff man, gets picked off first and effectively kills an inning and a great start.(baserunning fundamentals) Last night a ball gets hit over Kwans head as he was playing shallow. Unlike last years where he picks a spot and runs to it, he was totally floundering trying to get to the ball (defensive fundamentals). Okay, three examples......Against I think it was Cal-State Fullerton, Runner on second with no outs, Kwan swings away and weakly flies out to SS or 2nd base instead of like last year, where he either bunts or hits a grounder to the first base side to advaqnce the runner to third with less than two outs.(hitting fundamentals) Glad to see he got three base hits last night. Team baseball is lacking because we are now an offensive team?  We need to get back to who we are. |
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 9:28:00 GMT -8
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 30, 2018 9:28:00 GMT -8
Baseball, I enjoy your posts on technique and your analysis of this team is at least mostly dead-on. I do disagree that the team is not in a free fall. Terrible losses to teams that are terrible is definitely true.
On the pitching staff, the Beavers lost Thompson and Max. Thompson had the mental makeover prior to 2017, but he totally lacked command prior to 2017. Nobody on this board foresaw his turnaround last season. Now, Jake and Max both provided fire and leadership if that is what you mean with pitching.
The position players are the same except KJ. We all had our gripes at times about Harrison. He was definitely a loss though.
The Beavers definitely lost a good guy when AndyP completed his undergrad coaching duties. The guy was better with the bunting and baserunning aspects than any guy the Beavers have had including paid coaches.
Some of the bigger problems include the fact that teams have figured out how to pitch to Kwan. Gretler has had big hits, but he is not driving the ball as of yet. Opponents have found Larnach's kryptonite, but he is starting to lay off those pitches and a mistake goes a long ways. Cadyn has been nicked. Finally, the hard-nosed and field leadership part will come fully back when Madrigal returns.
Armstrong has been tremendous in Madrigal's absence and he will be key in filling one of the weak spots in the batting order once Nick returns.
I am still optimistic.
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 9:28:55 GMT -8
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Post by 56chevy on Mar 30, 2018 9:28:55 GMT -8
It's been a crazy couple of games. Someone once told me that momentum, positive or negative in baseball is only as good as your next starting pitcher. Things will get better today.
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 9:29:16 GMT -8
Post by mbabeav on Mar 30, 2018 9:29:16 GMT -8
It's a little early to throw the baby out with the bathwater, folks. I sense that the offense and defense are pressing a bit behind some of our pitchers - hard to bunt to advance a runner and give up an out when you think, and your coaches think, that we need every out we can get to compensate for inconsistent pitching. Last night's pitching was way off from what we normally saw last season. Things look a lot different at the plate and in the field when Luke or even Bryce are pitching.
Not going to panic. We are 20-3, rather than the 22-1 last year's team had with Thompson, Luke and Bryce as the rotation. I will say that we are not the best team in the nation right now, maybe not even the best team in the league. But it's only the end of March.
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 9:47:34 GMT -8
Post by mbabeav on Mar 30, 2018 9:47:34 GMT -8
Baseball, I enjoy your posts on technique and your analysis of this team is at least mostly dead-on. I do disagree that the team is not in a free fall. Terrible losses to teams that are terrible is definitely true. On the pitching staff, the Beavers lost Thompson and Max. Thompson had the mental makeover prior to 2017, but he totally lacked command prior to 2017. Nobody on this board foresaw his turnaround last season. Now, Jake and Max both provided fire and leadership if that is what you mean with pitching. The position players are the same except KJ. We all had our gripes at times about Harrison. He was definitely a loss though. The Beavers definitely lost a good guy when AndyP completed his undergrad coaching duties. The guy was better with the bunting and baserunning aspects than any guy the Beavers have had including paid coaches. Some of the bigger problems include the fact that teams have figured out how to pitch to Kwan. Gretler has had big hits, but he is not driving the ball as of yet. Opponents have found Larnach's kryptonite, but he is starting to lay off those pitches and a mistake goes a long ways. Cadyn has been nicked. Finally, the hard-nosed and field leadership part will come fully back when Madrigal returns. Armstrong has been tremendous in Madrigal's absence and he will be key in filling one of the weak spots in the batting order once Nick returns. I am still optimistic. I am not sure that teams have figured out how to pitch to Kwan as much as he has just hit it hard, but right at people. He had the best 0-10 start I've seen in a while - was just nailing the ball, but sometimes they play you right. He is missing the 5-7 hits he would normally have bunting by now, but he's got a lot more at bats ahead of him, and they will have to pitch him differently when Madrigal is next in the order again. |
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 10:20:44 GMT -8
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Post by ricke71 on Mar 30, 2018 10:20:44 GMT -8
It's a little early to throw the baby out with the bathwater, folks. I sense that the offense and defense are pressing a bit behind some of our pitchers - hard to bunt to advance a runner and give up an out when you think, and your coaches think, that we need every out we can get to compensate for inconsistent pitching. Last night's pitching was way off from what we normally saw last season. Things look a lot different at the plate and in the field when Luke or even Bryce are pitching. Not going to panic. We are 20-3, rather than the 22-1 last year's team had with Thompson, Luke and Bryce as the rotation. I will say that we are not the best team in the nation right now, maybe not even the best team in the league. But it's only the end of March. . If you (that’s the general ‘you’, no one in particular) want to treat yourself to the most pessimistic look into the future (in the event the Beavers really are sinking - and continue that path for several years)...Horrors! That is not something I foresee - but if you really want to drown in it, take a look at the ASU Devils Dugout forum. A once elite program that has taken the big dive. Last night they even ‘out coug-ed’ The COUGS, by giving up a 10th inning walkoff HR on, you guessed it, an 0-2 count. |
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Post by sagebrush on Mar 30, 2018 10:30:02 GMT -8
In BP, no cuts until you get one down each line back to back. That will make a bunter out of you.
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 11:01:18 GMT -8
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 30, 2018 11:01:18 GMT -8
In BP, no cuts until you get one down each line back to back. That will make a bunter out of you. Beavers do it on a constant basis. Always. |
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 11:31:59 GMT -8
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Post by zeroposter on Mar 30, 2018 11:31:59 GMT -8
Baseball, I enjoy your posts on technique and your analysis of this team is at least mostly dead-on. I do disagree that the team is not in a free fall. Terrible losses to teams that are terrible is definitely true. On the pitching staff, the Beavers lost Thompson and Max. Thompson had the mental makeover prior to 2017, but he totally lacked command prior to 2017. Nobody on this board foresaw his turnaround last season. Now, Jake and Max both provided fire and leadership if that is what you mean with pitching. The position players are the same except KJ. We all had our gripes at times about Harrison. He was definitely a loss though. The Beavers definitely lost a good guy when AndyP completed his undergrad coaching duties. The guy was better with the bunting and baserunning aspects than any guy the Beavers have had including paid coaches. Some of the bigger problems include the fact that teams have figured out how to pitch to Kwan. Gretler has had big hits, but he is not driving the ball as of yet. Opponents have found Larnach's kryptonite, but he is starting to lay off those pitches and a mistake goes a long ways. Cadyn has been nicked. Finally, the hard-nosed and field leadership part will come fully back when Madrigal returns. Armstrong has been tremendous in Madrigal's absence and he will be key in filling one of the weak spots in the batting order once Nick returns. I am still optimistic. I am not sure that teams have figured out how to pitch to Kwan as much as he has just hit it hard, but right at people. He had the best 0-10 start I've seen in a while - was just nailing the ball, but sometimes they play you right. He is missing the 5-7 hits he would normally have bunting by now, but he's got a lot more at bats ahead of him, and they will have to pitch him differently when Madrigal is next in the order again. Outer third of the plate including black, Kwan is a .350 hitter. Inner half,excluding down and in, Steven is a .200 hitter. |
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Post by justdamwin on Mar 30, 2018 13:24:29 GMT -8
I noticed in tonight's game we did very little bunting if any. Last year we used it very effectively. What gives with this year's team? To over simplify... be bluntly honest? We're not near as good as recent teams in ANY area of the game. People will say the run production is fine... yep vs inferior schedule. Yet not solid offensive baseball when a GS is the only reason you weren't totally outclassed by a 4-19 team with horrendous pitching staff/stats. Lack of bunts normally attempted/executed, poor base running, picks, not advancing runners have been the rule, not the exception so far. The most disappointing, and best quality of the last dozen or so years, mental toughness/focus/taking each game as one and done... is not there. Two league losses is not the end of the world. However, losing to UW and UU is very indicative of this team's failings. I thought 23-7, top two in Pac12 was realistic at the start. Right now we look to be the 20-10 team hoping to host a regional. But... OSU lost a TON from that 56-6... way more than some wanted to believe. Far more than dumb arse pollsters ever see from a distance. Win this series. Head home, scrape together a split with Nevada (not sure who all pitches if BP is used a bunch today and tomorrow??), and win the series at Zona. That will keep OSU in touch with the Pac12 lead and hopefully this team will start looking like BEAVERS. I think our memories of yore are fallacies as they often are. Its normal, it’s expected. As far as details for every loss or negative there’s a positive. Start with Larnach being the best hitter we’ve seen since Conforto. Better than yet to be seen and rember Larnach lost his cover man in Madrigal. Madrigal who’s a good bunter also. Pitching needs to sure up Tweedt and Verburg missing hurts Again look as critically at past teams or circumstances as the present and the reality will be they are different but similar |
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 15:44:17 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 30, 2018 15:44:17 GMT -8
To over simplify... be bluntly honest? We're not near as good as recent teams in ANY area of the game. People will say the run production is fine... yep vs inferior schedule. Yet not solid offensive baseball when a GS is the only reason you weren't totally outclassed by a 4-19 team with horrendous pitching staff/stats. Lack of bunts normally attempted/executed, poor base running, picks, not advancing runners have been the rule, not the exception so far. The most disappointing, and best quality of the last dozen or so years, mental toughness/focus/taking each game as one and done... is not there. Two league losses is not the end of the world. However, losing to UW and UU is very indicative of this team's failings. I thought 23-7, top two in Pac12 was realistic at the start. Right now we look to be the 20-10 team hoping to host a regional. But... OSU lost a TON from that 56-6... way more than some wanted to believe. Far more than dumb arse pollsters ever see from a distance. Win this series. Head home, scrape together a split with Nevada (not sure who all pitches if BP is used a bunch today and tomorrow??), and win the series at Zona. That will keep OSU in touch with the Pac12 lead and hopefully this team will start looking like BEAVERS. I think our memories of yore are fallacies as they often are. Its normal, it’s expected. As far as details for every loss or negative there’s a positive. Start with Larnach being the best hitter we’ve seen since Conforto. Better than yet to be seen and rember Larnach lost his cover man in Madrigal. Madrigal who’s a good bunter also. Pitching needs to sure up Tweedt and Verburg missing hurts Again look as critically at past teams or circumstances as the present and the reality will be they are different but similar True, but only what, 2 complete seasons since Conforto? And Trev is having a good year, but average has tailed dramtically. But, for the sake of argument and memory... I'll take Jeffrey Henrix as a better "hitter", player. |
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 16:04:01 GMT -8
Post by tamatrix on Mar 30, 2018 16:04:01 GMT -8
1st inning bunt!
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Bunting
Mar 30, 2018 16:27:43 GMT -8
Post by messi on Mar 30, 2018 16:27:43 GMT -8
Another thing to consider is who is at the plate when a bunting situation comes up. Let's say Grenier leads off the inning getting on base, does Adley bunt? Or if Adley leads off getting on base, do you have Larnach bunt?
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We need to get back to who we are.
