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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 20, 2018 12:33:30 GMT -8
I saw this on a site promoting Earl Thomas. But Jordan Poyer was rated the third-best cover safety in the NFL, better than Earl Thomas.
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Post by orangeattack on Mar 20, 2018 16:48:15 GMT -8
Damn. That is truly impressive.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 21, 2018 9:51:54 GMT -8
Damn. That is truly impressive. Getting traded from the Browns saved his career. It was good the Bills stuck with him after that scary injury. but he came back and was a stud. He is in his right NFL position and playing the game like we knew he could. Dude is a straight baller. Real proud of him, great Beaver Nation representative.
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Post by nexus73 on Mar 22, 2018 6:55:19 GMT -8
Poyer was such a stud when he played for Astoria. Going from being a great HS player to a great pro player does not happen very often. In the middle of that path is OSU, who sure got a lot of use from him being a Beav. Too bad he could not have remained en Eagle given that they wound up winning the Super Bowl, something that is not likely to happen in Buffalo.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2018 8:15:57 GMT -8
For a guy who sometimes looked like he had to compensate for a lack of elite speed with great instincts even at the Pac-12 level, it is stunning to me that he's been able be become elite at the NFL level. I thought for sure his NFL career would look more like Mike Hass's. Truly an amazing story by Poyer - he's earned it the hard way!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 22, 2018 12:57:29 GMT -8
Poyer was such a stud when he played for Astoria. Going from being a great HS player to a great pro player does not happen very often. In the middle of that path is OSU, who sure got a lot of use from him being a Beav. Too bad he could not have remained en Eagle given that they wound up winning the Super Bowl, something that is not likely to happen in Buffalo. Meh, you could have said the same thing about the Eagles last year. Philadelphia was 7-9 last year. Buffalo was 9-7 this year. The Bills could get it done next year, or they could go 3-13. It's the NFL.
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Post by nexus73 on Mar 22, 2018 14:40:37 GMT -8
Poyer was such a stud when he played for Astoria. Going from being a great HS player to a great pro player does not happen very often. In the middle of that path is OSU, who sure got a lot of use from him being a Beav. Too bad he could not have remained en Eagle given that they wound up winning the Super Bowl, something that is not likely to happen in Buffalo. Meh, you could have said the same thing about the Eagles last year. Philadelphia was 7-9 last year. Buffalo was 9-7 this year. The Bills could get it done next year, or they could go 3-13. It's the NFL. It's the Bills...LOL!
Last title: AFL 1965
4 straight Super Bowl losses.
Long playoff drought broken last season.
There must be Elvis impersonators galore in Buffalo as that is Heartbreak Hotel City. The only thing worse than staying in Buffalo is leaving Buffalo. Remember when they had an NBA team? One year later bye-bye and they became the Clippers. Frying pan to fire indeed!
Oh well, the city with hot wings and enough snow to threaten glaciation can celebrate over beating the Pathetic-12's basketball champion this season but given how lousy we were as a conference, there's not much to celebrate.
The one good thing for Poyer is that the paycheck doesn't bounce, just the ball, in Buffalo. Wish he was here on the West Coast. Better weather, better teams, more chances to watch him play.
Things could be worse. He could be in Cleveland! DA can tell him all about that...
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 22, 2018 16:16:20 GMT -8
I have heard Tim Euhus be quite complimentary of Buffalo on the Joe Beaver Show. He said it had some of the best fans in the NFL.
Buffalo has an NFL franchise, an NHL franchise, a thriving triple-A baseball franchise and two Division I basketball programs that were champions of their respective leagues this past season. Compare that to Portland. Winters are tougher, for sure, and I much prefer the West Coast, but Buffalo can't be all that bad if you're a sports fan.
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Post by beavs6 on Mar 22, 2018 17:42:16 GMT -8
I have heard Tim Euhus be quite complimentary of Buffalo on the Joe Beaver Show. He said it had some of the best fans in the NFL. Buffalo has an NFL franchise, an NHL franchise, a thriving triple-A baseball franchise and two Division I basketball programs that were champions of their respective leagues this past season. Compare that to Portland. Winters are tougher, for sure, and I much prefer the West Coast, but Buffalo can't be all that bad if you're a sports fan. Buffalo HAS to have sports. They literally have nothing else.
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Post by jefframp on Mar 25, 2018 10:28:24 GMT -8
I have heard Tim Euhus be quite complimentary of Buffalo on the Joe Beaver Show. He said it had some of the best fans in the NFL. Buffalo has an NFL franchise, an NHL franchise, a thriving triple-A baseball franchise and two Division I basketball programs that were champions of their respective leagues this past season. Compare that to Portland. Winters are tougher, for sure, and I much prefer the West Coast, but Buffalo can't be all that bad if you're a sports fan. Buffalo HAS to have sports. They literally have nothing else. They got Niagara Falls!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 25, 2018 10:56:18 GMT -8
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Post by beavadelic on Mar 25, 2018 18:02:15 GMT -8
For a guy who sometimes looked like he had to compensate for a lack of elite speed with great instincts even at the Pac-12 level, it is stunning to me that he's been able be become elite at the NFL level. I thought for sure his NFL career would look more like Mike Hass's. Truly an amazing story by Poyer - he's earned it the hard way! I’m not comparing him to Polamaulu as a player, although Jordan is plenty good, but the speed issue reminds me a little of Troy P. No way did I think he could be so impactful with a lack of elite speed, but the guy read everything and played his hair was on fire, all the way to the NFL HOF. Jordan has the same thing going on.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 26, 2018 7:11:53 GMT -8
For a guy who sometimes looked like he had to compensate for a lack of elite speed with great instincts even at the Pac-12 level, it is stunning to me that he's been able be become elite at the NFL level. I thought for sure his NFL career would look more like Mike Hass's. Truly an amazing story by Poyer - he's earned it the hard way! I’m not comparing him to Polamaulu as a player, although Jordan is plenty good, but the speed issue reminds me a little of Troy P. No way did I think he could be so impactful with a lack of elite speed, but the guy read everything and played his hair was on fire, all the way to the NFL HOF. Jordan has the same thing going on. Poyer ran a 4.54 at the combine. That makes him "slow" as a DB. A DB that runs 4.45 or 4.40 is "fast" A DB that runs 4.35 is "elite". Over 40 yards the 4.35 guy finishes about 2 feet a head of Poyer. these tenths of seconds are practically meaningless on the football field. All of that is erased with instinct and fast reaction time. It doesn't matter how fast the WR is, if Poyer reads the play and is in the right spot, the play is blown up. Same goes for anybody. Sure, sure every once in a while it is a footrace, and then that straight line speed matters. but for most plays, particularly at safety, it is all about anticipation
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Post by biggieorange on Mar 28, 2018 9:38:38 GMT -8
I’m not comparing him to Polamaulu as a player, although Jordan is plenty good, but the speed issue reminds me a little of Troy P. No way did I think he could be so impactful with a lack of elite speed, but the guy read everything and played his hair was on fire, all the way to the NFL HOF. Jordan has the same thing going on. Poyer ran a 4.54 at the combine. That makes him "slow" as a DB. A DB that runs 4.45 or 4.40 is "fast" A DB that runs 4.35 is "elite". Over 40 yards the 4.35 guy finishes about 2 feet a head of Poyer. these tenths of seconds are practically meaningless on the football field. All of that is erased with instinct and fast reaction time. It doesn't matter how fast the WR is, if Poyer reads the play and is in the right spot, the play is blown up. Same goes for anybody. Sure, sure every once in a while it is a footrace, and then that straight line speed matters. but for most plays, particularly at safety, it is all about anticipation This is why I think Saquon Barkley shouldn't be drafted in the first 5 picks. Yeah, he is pretty big and very fast, but it really won't matter. Most runs are less than 7 yards anyway. He a "homerun" threat, basically the frosting on a cake, but he won't change much on your team. And his tape isn't top 5 pick material, and he wasn't a workhorse back in college and he definitely won't be in the NFL. His best games were against the worst opponents. Top 15? yeah there is value there, but not at the top of the draft. What is surprising is I bet someone goes and gets him 1-5.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 28, 2018 11:44:40 GMT -8
Poyer ran a 4.54 at the combine. That makes him "slow" as a DB. A DB that runs 4.45 or 4.40 is "fast" A DB that runs 4.35 is "elite". Over 40 yards the 4.35 guy finishes about 2 feet a head of Poyer. these tenths of seconds are practically meaningless on the football field. All of that is erased with instinct and fast reaction time. It doesn't matter how fast the WR is, if Poyer reads the play and is in the right spot, the play is blown up. Same goes for anybody. Sure, sure every once in a while it is a footrace, and then that straight line speed matters. but for most plays, particularly at safety, it is all about anticipation This is why I think Saquon Barkley shouldn't be drafted in the first 5 picks. Yeah, he is pretty big and very fast, but it really won't matter. Most runs are less than 7 yards anyway. He a "homerun" threat, basically the frosting on a cake, but he won't change much on your team. And his tape isn't top 5 pick material, and he wasn't a workhorse back in college and he definitely won't be in the NFL. His best games were against the worst opponents. Top 15? yeah there is value there, but not at the top of the draft. What is surprising is I bet someone goes and gets him 1-5. Business side of football mostly agrees The projected slotted value of the #5 pick (Denver holds... they need an RB...) is $27.5 million (including signing bonus). first rounders are 5 year contracts. You have the chance to lock in a franchise RB, in his prime at barely $5 million averaged a year. Hey... that is basically the going rate for a quality starting RB now. They are so devalued. You are not "winning" here. Compare that to the going rate of an good QB, or an elite DT or OT? Hell, Cousins was just fully guaranteed $84 million over 3 years. slotted value of the top 10 picks basically demands you pick QB, DT, OT, DE, OG in that order. really no other positions routinely command in excess of $5M average a year for reliable starters. (elites in any position will always command more). The "value" for Barkley in the RB position starts taking off at pick 10, where yearly average pay is $3 million. I Barkely is what is expected and a franchise RB and a 2,000 total yards a year guy... NOW you have immense value. taking him in the first several picks, you just have going rate. So Barkely early is not "bad". it is just not "value".
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