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Post by beaverstever on Feb 16, 2016 9:34:07 GMT -8
"There's a lot of perspectives like Baseba1111's posts on Villanova, KU, OU, etc boards because all those teams have issues that could get them bounced by an underdog at pretty reasonable odds." Comparing those teams and similar posts I make about us is not quite apples to apples. Those teams are not only "locks" to get in, they are tourney regulars with fans bases expecting Elite 8, Final 4 or more... it's a little different when fans worry about deficiencies in those terms. Every high seed worries they'll be the upset bid. BUT, they are in and are expected to go on to the 2nd weekend. My point is, your persecutive even being here is a sign of progress for the program, and I look forward to when there's 100 of you here like there is on the KU board  |
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Post by garydog on Feb 16, 2016 10:42:37 GMT -8
The tourney's last 4-6 at large bids are always full of flawed teams w glaring holes, lack of road wins & ill-advised losses. This year will be nothing new. And the Beavs have a solid body of work against a really tough schedule w even some nice non-conf performances. That does not change my tune. It's like backing your way into a crap bowl game. Too many so we have to fill them. Only difference, you usually play another crap team in the bowl. I'd rather not see this 13 seed get routed on national TV while hearing the patronizing, "first time in 25 years... they're going to get better.... they'll be back..." etc. Sorry, just my take. Coached a team once that "made" the state tournament... first time in forever. After the 88-32 beat down it was not a positive for anyone. All this means is that we can't be upset if they DON'T get a bid. It doesn't mean they're not a tourney team. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2016 10:58:33 GMT -8
All we are talking about is opinion... none of us decide who's in or deserves to be or not to be. Whether it be 'my' team or another, the play exhibited by this team has not been tourney quality. I'll be happy for the kids if they squeak in, totally not surprised if they don't.
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Post by jdogge on Feb 16, 2016 17:33:56 GMT -8
All we are talking about is opinion... none of us decide who's in or deserves to be or not to be. Whether it be 'my' team or another, the play exhibited by this team has not been tourney quality. I'll be happy for the kids if they squeak in, totally not surprised if they don't. So, Obi Wan, how can we prove our post-season cred? |
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Post by beaverdreams on Feb 16, 2016 17:56:38 GMT -8
I don't care how we get in, backwards, forwards, or sideways....all that matters is that we get in. At the end of the day, it's a bunch of 18-22 year old college kids, capable of playing really well, and capable of playing down to lower levels. But guess what??? That describes 60-70% of the teams that will make this thing!
So this idea that we're not worthy is ridiculous. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't ...doesn't matter. 10 years from now, even one year from now, all people remember is, "oh yeah, Beavs made the tourney in 2016." And hopefully of course it begins a new era where it becomes a regulat occurrence, and not just a novelty.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 16, 2016 20:08:33 GMT -8
The tourney's last 4-6 at large bids are always full of flawed teams w glaring holes, lack of road wins & ill-advised losses. This year will be nothing new. And the Beavs have a solid body of work against a really tough schedule w even some nice non-conf performances. That does not change my tune. It's like backing your way into a crap bowl game. Too many so we have to fill them. Only difference, you usually play another crap team in the bowl. I'd rather not see this 13 seed get routed on national TV while hearing the patronizing, "first time in 25 years... they're going to get better.... they'll be back..." etc. Sorry, just my take. Coached a team once that "made" the state tournament... first time in forever. After the 88-32 beat down it was not a positive for anyone. Sounds like those kids needed better coaching! |
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Post by jdogge on Feb 16, 2016 20:58:49 GMT -8
So, Obi Wan, how can we prove our post-season cred? Not sure Jabba, still working on yours. Awwwww ... |
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Post by ag87 on Feb 16, 2016 21:23:21 GMT -8
Baseba1111 - a tangent. You mentioned a team that you coached and got beat down in the state tournament. It's as likely as not it was not in Oregon. I'm not sure exactly what year it was, but either 1976 or 1977, I saw North Eugene beat Molalla 88-36 in the state quarterfinals. Molalla had already won a game in Portland to reach the quarters. Ten years later I had a good friend at OSU whose older brother had played on that Molalla team. I asked the older brother about over a beer one time and he talked about it a long time. He was very proud of his team making it that far and also proud of losing to a team led by Danny Ainge. I guess that was his brush with athletic greatness. Anyway, so it is possible that your take of it not being positive for anyone is wrong, and that some of the players on the team (at least with a few years of perspective) were at a minimum OK with the experience.
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Post by jdogge on Feb 16, 2016 21:44:48 GMT -8
That does not change my tune. It's like backing your way into a crap bowl game. Too many so we have to fill them. Only difference, you usually play another crap team in the bowl. I'd rather not see this 13 seed get routed on national TV while hearing the patronizing, "first time in 25 years... they're going to get better.... they'll be back..." etc. Sorry, just my take. Coached a team once that "made" the state tournament... first time in forever. After the 88-32 beat down it was not a positive for anyone. Sounds like those kids needed better coaching! Or a better coach. I seem to remember him taking his football team to the State Playoffs only to have them get beaten badly. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2016 22:35:56 GMT -8
Sounds like those kids needed better coaching! Or a better coach. I seem to remember him taking his football team to the State Playoffs only to have them get beaten badly. Lmao. Arse speak? |
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Post by jdogge on Feb 17, 2016 5:14:25 GMT -8
Or a better coach. I seem to remember him taking his football team to the State Playoffs only to have them get beaten badly. Lmao. Arse speak? Oh, a non-denial-denial. Thought you were going to block me. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Feb 17, 2016 14:02:07 GMT -8
Baseba1111 - a tangent. You mentioned a team that you coached and got beat down in the state tournament. It's as likely as not it was not in Oregon. I'm not sure exactly what year it was, but either 1976 or 1977, I saw North Eugene beat Molalla 88-36 in the state quarterfinals. Molalla had already won a game in Portland to reach the quarters. Ten years later I had a good friend at OSU whose older brother had played on that Molalla team. I asked the older brother about over a beer one time and he talked about it a long time. He was very proud of his team making it that far and also proud of losing to a team led by Danny Ainge. I guess that was his brush with athletic greatness. Anyway, so it is possible that your take of it not being positive for anyone is wrong, and that some of the players on the team (at least with a few years of perspective) were at a minimum OK with the experience. I played football, in Oregon, back when there were just 4 divisions. I was in the old valley league. two Corvallis schools, two Albany schools, Lebanon and the Salem schools (minus not yet build West Salem). We made the playoffs one year and just got utterly curb stomped by the Portland school we faced. Makes sense. we were little at the time and Portland was Portland. It was this disparity that really forced the OSAA to look at redistricting for the first time in eons. but long story short. nobody was sad we made the playoffs, it was not a negative experience for anybody. Of course nobody liked losing... but ain't a single player on that team regretted getting there. just my take. maybe basketball players are soft? (JOKE, just a joke kids, don't kill me). |
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