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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 12, 2018 7:19:57 GMT -8
I really would expect that if they never actually come out of the game and account for all of our ball handlers. Re: non-coaches' kids -> It's hard to turn the ball over from the bench. |
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Post by bill82 on Jan 12, 2018 7:48:07 GMT -8
I really would expect that if they never actually come out of the game and account for all of our ball handlers. Re: non-coaches' kids -> It's hard to turn the ball over from the bench. Good point. Did not think of it that way. Still, seven for Tress is a big number. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 12, 2018 8:18:46 GMT -8
It's definitely a big number. It's not surprising though, as both Tres and Stephen are our go-to guys to make things happen/force the issue when the shot clock runs down. In a defensive struggle game like that, especially when they have a great rim protector, it puts a lot of pressure on them to create offense.
Getting a shot blocked can also be functionally a TO (not counted as such in stats though). Tres getting blocked by Ayton during their big run resulted in a fast-break 3. But you was not a bad shot at all by Tres - you want him to try and make a pay there - that's just the result of going against a guy that's going to block a lot more shots at the next level.
Bottom line - I suspect that those turnovers become exchanged for poor shot selection (wild shots as the clock runs out) if both of those guys were less aggressive. Even dribbling into double teams is ok at times. Of course, we all hate the lazy/telegraphed pass TO.
Tres had a brilliant on-the-dribble steal, and ST added 3 steals, so they reversed some of those. Overall we were -3 on the TO margin, so that wasn't a big delta of the game.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 12, 2018 8:53:28 GMT -8
The best players often have the most turnovers as they have the ball the most. For instance, the NBA leaders in turnovers this season:
1. DeMarcus Cousins
2. Russell Westbrook
3. James Harden
4. Lebron James
It was a shame, though, as when our defense was able to get back and set, it was a thing of beauty. Run outs off of our turnovers killed us. Great effort overall though - that effort on the road will beat a lot of the other schools.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 12, 2018 9:21:13 GMT -8
I really would expect that if they never actually come out of the game and account for all of our ball handlers. Re: non-coaches' kids -> It's hard to turn the ball over from the bench. Good point. Did not think of it that way. Still, seven for Tress is a big number. By the way, I didn't mean to come off as snarky toward you. It's more out of frustration/worry that we are going to completely wear down as the season progresses and I think we have back-ups that are capable to spot our ball handlers for more than 2 minutes at a time. And I agree, 7 TO's is way too many for TT. |
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Post by ag87 on Jan 12, 2018 10:00:25 GMT -8
Looking at the box score - Tres Tinkle had no free throw attempts. He made six, maybe eight drives to the hoop? I know he got hammered on a few of those. Dusan Ristic attempting to become the 21st century Bill Laimbeer; yet he ends up with one personal foul. It's very difficult to beat quality teams when you have to overcome that.
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 12, 2018 11:10:09 GMT -8
Can anyone explain to me what the Drew's technical was for? I know they had warned him about something just before it happened but I didn't see anything there that I thought was worthy of a technical.
And I'm not sure why they let Ristic get away with the elbow swinging like he was. I always thought you could put your elbows out and move with a pivot to clear a little space, but he was swinging his elbows aggressively with a couple close calls to players heads.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 12, 2018 11:28:24 GMT -8
The technical on Drew was absolutely ridiculous - par for the course for PAC-12 officiating - particularly in Tucson.
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Post by nexus73 on Jan 12, 2018 19:50:33 GMT -8
Was out of town and lucky enough to catch the game on TV. That was a painful matchup to watch since OSU's O was so poor. Going from a 10 point lead to a 10 point deficit shows how complete the implosion was. Not a good sign for Tinkle in his 4th year to have such happen. By now there should be enough good recruits and enough coaching going on that we can beat what is a subpar Arizona team, who did not look to be any better than we did for the most part.
Sometimes you don't get what you paid for. That is how I feel about Tinkle and the current state of our team. Ralph is rolling over in his grave.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 12, 2018 20:10:09 GMT -8
Was out of town and lucky enough to catch the game on TV. That was a painful matchup to watch since OSU's O was so poor. Going from a 10 point lead to a 10 point deficit shows how complete the implosion was. Not a good sign for Tinkle in his 4th year to have such happen. By now there should be enough good recruits and enough coaching going on that we can beat what is a subpar Arizona team, who did not look to be any better than we did for the most part. Sometimes you don't get what you paid for. That is how I feel about Tinkle and the current state of our team. Ralph is rolling over in his grave. This subpar Arizona team is 12 and 4 and a top 20 team. |
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 12, 2018 20:16:44 GMT -8
Was out of town and lucky enough to catch the game on TV. That was a painful matchup to watch since OSU's O was so poor. Going from a 10 point lead to a 10 point deficit shows how complete the implosion was. Not a good sign for Tinkle in his 4th year to have such happen. By now there should be enough good recruits and enough coaching going on that we can beat what is a subpar Arizona team, who did not look to be any better than we did for the most part. Sometimes you don't get what you paid for. That is how I feel about Tinkle and the current state of our team. Ralph is rolling over in his grave. This subpar Arizona team is 12 and 4 and a top 20 team. Not to mention having the projected 1st or 2nd pick in the next NBA draft. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 12, 2018 20:57:59 GMT -8
This subpar Arizona team is 12 and 4 and a top 20 team. Not to mention having the projected 1st or 2nd pick in the next NBA draft. Exactly. That “subpar” Arizona team is by far the most talented in the league. |
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Post by nexus73 on Jan 14, 2018 8:55:58 GMT -8
Was out of town and lucky enough to catch the game on TV. That was a painful matchup to watch since OSU's O was so poor. Going from a 10 point lead to a 10 point deficit shows how complete the implosion was. Not a good sign for Tinkle in his 4th year to have such happen. By now there should be enough good recruits and enough coaching going on that we can beat what is a subpar Arizona team, who did not look to be any better than we did for the most part. Sometimes you don't get what you paid for. That is how I feel about Tinkle and the current state of our team. Ralph is rolling over in his grave. This subpar Arizona team is 12 and 4 and a top 20 team. That is a subpar Arizona team no matter the record. They lost to Colorado, who we happened to beat. If you want to bet on the Cats to make the Final Four though, go ahead...LOL! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 15, 2018 9:07:32 GMT -8
So, you can't be a good team unless you make the Final Four? I guess that means there are about 317 average teams in college basketball this year.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 15, 2018 10:26:42 GMT -8
If we're going to play the "Arizona is subpar because we beat Colorado.." game:
OSU lost to "subpar" Zona. Zona lost to Colorado. Colorado lost to UC San Diego. UC San Diego lost to North Texas. North Texas lost to UT Rio Grande Valley. UT Rio Grande Valley lost to Grambling. Grambling lost to Alabama A&M (AAM has a 2-16 record).
I welcome our new college basketball overlords, Alabama A&M.
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