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Post by 411500 on Jan 5, 2018 11:26:34 GMT -8
It is now about 7 hours 'till opening tip and my guess is that coach and staff are still working on ways to handle the defensive pressure that is going to be thrown at them tonight by Coach Close and her gang of talented, experienced, speedy Bruins...
After watching the Beavs struggle against "pressure lite" from WSU & UW last week Coach knows he is facing a tougher, faster, all around better brand of pressure than any of the Beavs have seen thus far this season.
I have repeatedly pointed out how this year's Beavs lack a slashing, penetrating guard. This limitation is magnified dramatically against pressure D - especially tight Man D. Passing beats the press, yes, but so does the speed dribble. If you are short on one you'd better be very long on the other. The way I look at it, the Beavs' chances for victory in this game depend on their ability to beat pressure, and then quickly get into their impressively structured offense.
The question is: Can we do it?
Short answer: No. Long answer: It's hard to figure out how.
None of the Lady Beavs have yet demonstrated the ability to effectively attack off the dribble, or to defeat D speed with O speed. If Coach figures out how to escape UCLA pressure via the pass he will instantly get COY talk. Again. Deservedly.
Unpleasant bottom line: Beavs lose by 16....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 11:42:47 GMT -8
Alas, I fear the correctness of your wiseness.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 5, 2018 12:00:25 GMT -8
In looking at UCLA, it feels like they should be more dominant in the Pac-12 than they have been. They have 5 McDonald's All Americans on their roster as we speak. Whatever is holding them back, it isn't their home record. Per the GT article today: "The Bruins are 35-2 at home since the start of the 2015-16 season, with those two losses to national powers South Carolina (2015) and Connecticut (this season). That loss to Connecticut ended a 32-game home winning streak for the Bruins, who have won their last 19 Pac-12 games at home." I am bracing myself for the Beavers to get beat by the sort of score you are projecting, but curious to see how our youthful team deals with the pressure, quickness, and talent of the Bruins. This is more a yardstick game, since the senior-laden Bruins ought to be the class of the Pac-12 this season. Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 5, 2018 13:22:50 GMT -8
I just don't see much growth in Canada and Billings this year. While Mik and Die Hammer have both greatly improved. I foresee a problematic first half, but then the possibility of a strong 2nd half. Will they come back to take it? I think yes, but only if the bench gives some help.
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Post by cbeavs1 on Jan 5, 2018 18:56:40 GMT -8
They are definitely having troubles with the pressure as expected . However they are not helping themselves. Our defense is anything but aggressive particularly in the mid-range. We are late in getting to the offensive player when the receive the pass but then they are just playing off the offensive player allowing them to shoot uncontested shots. On offense, two things, we are running a new set with four players crossing at the free throw line. This just clogs the offense and makes it easy to defend, especially against a good pressure defense. There is no room to go back door against the pressure. Second, one of our guards has been a role player the last couple of years and through this year appears to want to remain that way. She has to be a threat offensively in order to not being playing 4 on 5 on offense. She has not been and is not a threat. With the two guards we have coming in next year, she may not see the floor next year.
I think your analysis was accurate. Hopefully we can get 1 of two this weekend.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jan 5, 2018 19:57:22 GMT -8
Nope. Maybe that lashing will serve a positive purpose I don’t know. There are going to be times when we simply aren’t athletic enough. Tonight was one of those times. Scott is ahelluva coach. Hopefully he’ll find a way
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 6, 2018 0:50:14 GMT -8
... Second, one of our guards has been a role player the last couple of years and through this year appears to want to remain that way. She has to be a threat offensively in order to not being playing 4 on 5 on offense. She has not been and is not a threat. With the two guards we have coming in next year, she may not see the floor next year. I was curious about your comment. Here is perhaps totally baseless analysis, but it does substantiate that one of our guard positions is taking very few shots - playing the most minutes on the team, and taking only more shots/minute than Thropay. I would sag off off her or double down on Marie if I was an opponent....and I might consider inserting Kalmer or Aleah into the starting lineup. However there are many other stats and reasons to stay the course, and I am nor a coach nor a Holiday Inn denizen. | Minutes Played | Shots Taken | Shots / Min |
| | 372 | 150 | .40 | starter | | 365 | 140 | .38 | starter | | 356 | 117 | .32 | starter | | 312 | 121 | .38 |
| | 232 | 73 | .31 | | | 271 | 74 | .27 | starter | | 427 | 68 | .16 | starter | | 154 | 62 | .40 |
| | 211 | 36 | .17 |
| | 100 | 11 | .11 |
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As a point of reference, last season Gabby Hanson averaged .25 shots/minute, and even at that rate she had defenders sag off her, but she was starting since she brought best in conference defense to the party. And she was in tandem with Syd Wiese, who could go create shots better than anyone on this year's team..... Go Beavers! |
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Post by newduke2 on Jan 6, 2018 7:00:54 GMT -8
Well, that sure was disappointing, to say the least, and worse than expected.
The gap in speed, athleticism, and ball handling skills was on full display. Toned down my expectations for this year. Well at least then no. 20 Cal got dismantled (at home) by UCLA in a similar fashion. It will be interesting on Sunday to see how the *ucks deal with their pressure. Hope the Beavs can at least
garner an LA split. USC pushed the *ucks, so it's going to be tough.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 6, 2018 7:36:46 GMT -8
... Second, one of our guards has been a role player the last couple of years and through this year appears to want to remain that way. She has to be a threat offensively in order to not being playing 4 on 5 on offense. She has not been and is not a threat. With the two guards we have coming in next year, she may not see the floor next year. I was curious about your comment. Here is perhaps totally baseless analysis, but it does substantiate that one of our guard positions is taking very few shots - playing the most minutes on the team, and taking only more shots/minute than Thropay. I would sag off off her or double down on Marie if I was an opponent....and I might consider inserting Kalmer or Aleah into the starting lineup. However there are many other stats and reasons to stay the course, and I am nor a coach nor a Holiday Inn denizen. | Minutes Played | Shots Taken | Shots / Min |
| | 372 | 150 | .40 | starter | | 365 | 140 | .38 | starter | | 356 | 117 | .32 | starter | | 312 | 121 | .38 |
| | 232 | 73 | .31 | starter | | 271 | 74 | .27 |
| | 427 | 68 | .16 | starter | | 154 | 62 | .40 |
| | 211 | 36 | .17 |
| | 100 | 11 | .11 |
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As a point of reference, last season Gabby Hanson averaged .25 shots/minute, and even at that rate she had defenders sag off her, but she was starting since she brought best in conference defense to the party. And she was in tandem with Syd Wiese, who could go create shots better than anyone on this year's team..... Go Beavers! What I can't understand is that of all of the Beavers perimeter players, I believe that she has the best ability to CREATE a semi-open outside shot opportunity - both due to height and to a very nice shooting form (long arms extended well above head - that high release is something that Syd never had...nor does Aleah, nor some of the other good to excellent Beaver shooters). P.S. I believe the Table has an error: "232 min." is not a starter, "271 min." is a starter. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 6, 2018 12:11:51 GMT -8
I was curious about your comment. Here is perhaps totally baseless analysis, but it does substantiate that one of our guard positions is taking very few shots - playing the most minutes on the team, and taking only more shots/minute than Thropay. I would sag off off her or double down on Marie if I was an opponent....and I might consider inserting Kalmer or Aleah into the starting lineup. However there are many other stats and reasons to stay the course, and I am nor a coach nor a Holiday Inn denizen. | Minutes Played | Shots Taken | Shots / Min |
| | 372 | 150 | .40 | starter | | 365 | 140 | .38 | starter | | 356 | 117 | .32 | starter | | 312 | 121 | .38 |
| | 232 | 73 | .31 | starter | | 271 | 74 | .27 |
| | 427 | 68 | .16 | starter | | 154 | 62 | .40 |
| | 211 | 36 | .17 |
| | 100 | 11 | .11 |
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As a point of reference, last season Gabby Hanson averaged .25 shots/minute, and even at that rate she had defenders sag off her, but she was starting since she brought best in conference defense to the party. And she was in tandem with Syd Wiese, who could go create shots better than anyone on this year's team..... Go Beavers! What I can't understand is that of all of the Beavers perimeter players, I believe that she has the best ability to CREATE a semi-open outside shot opportunity - both due to height and to a very nice shooting form (long arms extended well above head - that's something that Syd never had...nor does Aleah, nor some of the other good to excellent Beaver shooters). P.S. I believe the Table has an error: "232 min." is not a starter, "271 min." is a starter. What I also cannot understand is that she has exhibited the ability to "go off" in the past as well (Lamar game last season). Thanks for catching the error in my table - you are right. I edited my original message to reflect your catch. Stats this is based on here. Go Beavs! |
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Post by 411500 on Jan 6, 2018 13:33:32 GMT -8
Several posts have made reference to Katy Mac's game last year against Lamar. It was an impressive performance, no doubt, but if my memory is correct most of her point production came from squared up 3s in the corner. She received the ball square to the basket and then nailed it time and time again. Somewhat similar to what Kat Tudor did in her impressive game against WSU last week.
This is a good example of excellent positioning, timely receiving of the pass, and great delivery from distance. It is, nevertheless, point production from a limited offensive skill set..Again similar to Kat Tudor.
I will not write anything critical about K. Mac's game as I'm a big fan. Rueck gives her so much floor time because she does everything well - -except score....As I mentioned in Nov. this is her 3rd year in the program and she has made almost no progress in her attack the basket skills. I don't know why. From a distance it makes no sense. Up close there must be reasons and explanations but any coach would be frustrated watching a talent like Katie not be able to get the ball to the basket.
I'd give anything to see this phase of her game improve, but I'm into my 3rd year of waiting....and no results yet...
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 6, 2018 19:13:28 GMT -8
Good observations 411500 - KTMac was 7-8 from 3 point land in the Lamar game (and I would note 11-14 overall, so more of her misses were on the 2 point and likely not squared up shots). I don't think this is a lack of skills issue, but one of initiative taking.... I think what Syd and Jamie had, and Taylor Kalmer has (as about the only one on this year's team) is the ability to "free lance" late in the shot clock. For whatever reason, KTMac stays wedded to "the system" and doesn't flip to free lance mode. I too am waiting for this skill to manifest itself, but the clock for KTMac has been ticking for some time. OT observations: I think Mik's habit of driving all the way to under the rim is a mixed bag with Pac-12 tall timber. I heard in one of her interviews that she played a lot of post in high school, so she is likely comfortable in that area of the floor, and it helps her in rebounding, and against less skilled teams you might circle around or put up a shot, but once you have some length collapse on you down there, options get limited in a hurry. Lastly, buried in this trip to the woodshed was a really good game by Taya Corosdale. She didn't look rattled and contributed well. Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 6, 2018 20:39:48 GMT -8
Doesn't it seem a bit harsh to dump all of this on KtMc's head?
One of the best 3 shooting teams has their worst game and one of the worst 3 shooting teams has their best game. A perfect storm of whoa.
It doesn't seem like Destiny is being used to train the various pg's on how to protect the ball. Keeping the off arm up and blocking the defenders from reaching in seems like a foreign concept sometimes.
This is a good team that had a bad day against a good team. I think Sunday we will see a different team put a smile on our respective mugs.
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 6, 2018 21:11:27 GMT -8
Several posts have made reference to Katy Mac's game last year against Lamar. It was an impressive performance, no doubt, but if my memory is correct most of her point production came from squared up 3s in the corner. She received the ball square to the basket and then nailed it time and time again. Somewhat similar to what Kat Tudor did in her impressive game against WSU last week. This is a good example of excellent positioning, timely receiving of the pass, and great delivery from distance. It is, nevertheless, point production from a limited offensive skill set..Again similar to Kat Tudor. I will not write anything critical about K. Mac's game as I'm a big fan. Rueck gives her so much floor time because she does everything well - -except score....As I mentioned in Nov. this is her 3rd year in the program and she has made almost no progress in her attack the basket skills. I don't know why. From a distance it makes no sense. Up close there must be reasons and explanations but any coach would be frustrated watching a talent like Katie not be able to get the ball to the basket. I'd give anything to see this phase of her game improve, but I'm into my 3rd year of waiting....and no results yet... GO BEAVS !! I’ve known Katie since she was 3, and watched her dominate almost apologetically - even against boys her age through middle school. I feel like her dad almost had to beg her to score more because she has always been more interested in facilitating than scoring bunches of points. As opposed to aggressive scorers like Plum in the past or Ionescu now, she is almost painfully unselfish, to the point of feeling like she’s a ball hog when she shoots a bunch. Her shot is beautiful, but the players I mentioned above see themselves as pre-ordained scorers. Make them work hard for a shot, and make them shoot a low percentage, and they’ll hoist up more to get their’s. The player with that mindset will be self-motivated to find new ways to create shots and score the ball. Katie is a gifted athlete, but her temperament and approach may have hamstrung her offensive development. It wouldn’t be a lack of confidence for her, but it could be a desire to not be perceived as selfish. I wish she’d be a little more selfish sometimes, because she could be a load for people to do with given her agility and size. I would never suggest that to her, because I could be all wet on what’s really going on for her, and I know that her #1 priority is slways to do all she can to help her team win. |
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Post by cbeavs1 on Jan 7, 2018 10:34:21 GMT -8
If you read the original post, no one said anything about dumping all of this on anyones head........The comment was in the context of the Beavers doing things that weren't helping themselves. And in fact, the comments were a couple of sentences at the bottom of a paragraph after a couple of other points. Hopefully, this board doesn't have the mentality and culture of our current news media outlets whose idea of coverage is akin to giants leaps illusionary logic.
By the way, whoever keeps stating she has good shooting form and agility doesn't seem to know much about basketball. Her shot is very flat which lends itself to inconsistent shooting. This should have been fixed at an early age but apparently wasn't. She is not agile at all and in fact not very athletic or quick. Rueck used her to bring up the ball because of who is matched up on her. Because of her size, she woud usually garner a defender who is a small forward or larger which she would have the skills to beat bringing up the ball.
What she does have in her favor is her height. She has great height for a guard. She also has good ball handling skills and dribbles the ball well for her size, hence the matchups in her favor. She is an excellent passer which comes from a high basketball IQ which leads to a good nmber of assists.. This high BB IQ also helps with her understanding for helping on defense. She is a good teammate, which is most important of all. She is a plus for us in any analysis. My comments were only meant to show areas for improvement. G
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