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Post by biggieorange on Jan 5, 2018 8:59:57 GMT -8
A nice writeup on a local team, this is what I hoped OSU would try before they hired Tinkle. I still think a Buzzsaw would work in the Pac12 and be very disruptive to the status quo LINK |
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Post by nexus73 on Jan 5, 2018 9:36:15 GMT -8
Gold Beach's girls used to have a massive amount of substitution. I think Myrtle Point did that as well on the distaff side. They had success with this part of the scheme. The rest of the Buzzsaw deal sounds a lot like Loyola-Marymount when they were the biggest run and gun team of all time. That style led to a wipeout win over defending champion Michigan in the NCAA's. Win or lose, the game will be exciting!
The key to shooting treys is to keep shooting treys in practice. I like how the coach has his players shoot until they make 100 treys. Eventually a player gets a bit better. Keep shooting and adding increments of improvement. My personal experience was to aim at a high point of the arc instead of at the basket, with the arc downward heading somewhere close to the basket. Sometimes I got swishes, other times it was banks off the backboard. It worked and I am not exactly an athlete but when it came to long range shooting, I could do the one trick pony deal in a game of HORSE...LOL!
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 5, 2018 9:42:52 GMT -8
so we can bring the "Chainsaw" to Gill? That would be awesome. Chainsaw after every made 3!
Randy the Logger returns to his rightful place on the sidelines
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Post by jefframp on Jan 5, 2018 9:58:02 GMT -8
It's UPS instead of PSU. You had me thinking/expecting the Vikings.
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 5, 2018 12:36:24 GMT -8
Think the old Loyola-Marymount days. They had maybe an 10 second shot clock. Only put up bombs or layups. They had an assistant coach whose job was to monitor playing time and make all those massive substitutions. They had it scripted out down to the minute for each player for the entire game.
F spell check. It turned "10 second" to "internal".
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 6, 2018 11:03:24 GMT -8
Not PSU.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 13:00:51 GMT -8
A nice writeup on a local team, this is what I hoped OSU would try before they hired Tinkle. I still think a Buzzsaw would work in the Pac12 and be very disruptive to the status quo LINKThat's a cool story about a genius concept in a sport that doesn't reinvent itself often, if ever. I find it funny that opposing players get frustrated and claim it isn't real basketball. It could easily be the game as we know it if Naismith had decided to institute the 1 minute shift rule and 3 pointer that day at the Y. I really wish a higher level team would try this. It would be fun as hell to watch. Let's face it bball tends to get boring with the same players shooting it, always using their same moves we have seen a thousand times. |
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Post by biggieorange on Mar 15, 2018 12:03:16 GMT -8
A nice writeup on a local team, this is what I hoped OSU would try before they hired Tinkle. I still think a Buzzsaw would work in the Pac12 and be very disruptive to the status quo LINKThat's a cool story about a genius concept in a sport that doesn't reinvent itself often, if ever. I find it funny that opposing players get frustrated and claim it isn't real basketball. It could easily be the game as we know it if Naismith had decided to institute the 1 minute shift rule and 3 pointer that day at the Y. I really wish a higher level team would try this. It would be fun as hell to watch. Let's face it bball tends to get boring with the same players shooting it, always using their same moves we have seen a thousand times. Exactly, it is gimmicky in that you can beat teams just on the fact that they aren't used to playing that way. If executed properly it would put the Pac12 on it's ear. Not like the league is overflowing with talent anyway and Tinkle seems to be years away from be a perennial contender. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 15, 2018 23:00:04 GMT -8
That's a cool story about a genius concept in a sport that doesn't reinvent itself often, if ever. I find it funny that opposing players get frustrated and claim it isn't real basketball. It could easily be the game as we know it if Naismith had decided to institute the 1 minute shift rule and 3 pointer that day at the Y. I really wish a higher level team would try this. It would be fun as hell to watch. Let's face it bball tends to get boring with the same players shooting it, always using their same moves we have seen a thousand times. Exactly, it is gimmicky in that you can beat teams just on the fact that they aren't used to playing that way. If executed properly it would put the Pac12 on it's ear. Not like the league is overflowing with talent anyway and Tinkle seems to be years away from be a perennial contender. Wait... and you expect WT to be able to teach/coach a new, off the wall system that has to executed properly? 🤣 I'd like to see just plain old hoops on both ends executed with any consistency! |
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Post by biggieorange on Mar 19, 2018 7:11:57 GMT -8
Exactly, it is gimmicky in that you can beat teams just on the fact that they aren't used to playing that way. If executed properly it would put the Pac12 on it's ear. Not like the league is overflowing with talent anyway and Tinkle seems to be years away from be a perennial contender. Wait... and you expect WT to be able to teach/coach a new, off the wall system that has to executed properly? 🤣 I'd like to see just plain old hoops on both ends executed with any consistency! No, I think asking any coach to throw out their system would be a horrible idea. You would need someone who actually believes in the system. Fact are though that the Pac12 in 2018 was crap and WT team was near the bottom of it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 19, 2018 17:34:50 GMT -8
Wait... and you expect WT to be able to teach/coach a new, off the wall system that has to executed properly? 🤣 I'd like to see just plain old hoops on both ends executed with any consistency! No, I think asking any coach to throw out their system would be a horrible idea. You would need someone who actually believes in the system. Fact are though that the Pac12 in 2018 was crap and WT team was near the bottom of it. I think that the Pac-12 was bad, but it was not 2012 bad. Plus, Oregon State lost to Kent State, Utah, Arizona State, and Washington by a combined seven points. If you reverse those results, Oregon State finishes fifth in the Pac-12 and is squarely an NIT team. In fact, Oregon State probably gets an NIT berth even without reversing the Kent State loss. Thus, the Beavers finished six points away from a fifth-place finish and NIT berth. The Pac-12 was so bunched that the Beavers finished far closer to the upper half and an NIT berth than they finished to the cellar. The other confounding factor is Oregon State's schedule. However, a big part of that was the poor showing at the Advocare Invitational Tournament. Oregon State lost to St. John's by five points and Long Beach State by five points. If you reverse the St. John's loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 20 spots. If you reverse the Long Beach State loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 19 spots, even if you fill in losses otherwise. That's how big it was to avoid Marist's 333rd-rated RPI. If Oregon State goes 2-1 at that tournament, rather than 1-2, and the Beavers pull off the one- and two-point losses, the Beavers now have an RPI of 59. If Oregon State beats California or picks up two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament, Oregon State has a sub-50 RPI and are probably in-line for a NCAA Tournament berth. If the Beavers do both, they have a sub-40 RPI. If the Beavers would have won the Advocare Invitiational Tournament, they similarly would have had a sub-40 RPI. Oregon State was six points away from a very successful season and only a couple more points away from a phenomenal season (at least by the standards that the last 25 years have set). |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 19, 2018 18:51:59 GMT -8
No, I think asking any coach to throw out their system would be a horrible idea. You would need someone who actually believes in the system. Fact are though that the Pac12 in 2018 was crap and WT team was near the bottom of it. I think that the Pac-12 was bad, but it was not 2012 bad. Plus, Oregon State lost to Kent State, Utah, Arizona State, and Washington by a combined seven points. If you reverse those results, Oregon State finishes fifth in the Pac-12 and is squarely an NIT team. In fact, Oregon State probably gets an NIT berth even without reversing the Kent State loss. Thus, the Beavers finished six points away from a fifth-place finish and NIT berth. The Pac-12 was so bunched that the Beavers finished far closer to the upper half and an NIT berth than they finished to the cellar. The other confounding factor is Oregon State's schedule. However, a big part of that was the poor showing at the Advocare Invitational Tournament. Oregon State lost to St. John's by five points and Long Beach State by five points. If you reverse the St. John's loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 20 spots. If you reverse the Long Beach State loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 19 spots, even if you fill in losses otherwise. That's how big it was to avoid Marist's 333rd-rated RPI. If Oregon State goes 2-1 at that tournament, rather than 1-2, and the Beavers pull off the one- and two-point losses, the Beavers now have an RPI of 59. If Oregon State beats California or picks up two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament, Oregon State has a sub-50 RPI and are probably in-line for a NCAA Tournament berth. If the Beavers do both, they have a sub-40 RPI. If the Beavers would have won the Advocare Invitiational Tournament, they similarly would have had a sub-40 RPI. Oregon State was six points away from a very successful season and only a couple more points away from a phenomenal season (at least by the standards that the last 25 years have set). But... 6 or 25... they didn't! You might as well say a few officials calls could have made the difference. Or maybe better substitution patterns... or not shortening the bench and getting a guy like Hollins more experience... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 20, 2018 12:22:15 GMT -8
I think that the Pac-12 was bad, but it was not 2012 bad. Plus, Oregon State lost to Kent State, Utah, Arizona State, and Washington by a combined seven points. If you reverse those results, Oregon State finishes fifth in the Pac-12 and is squarely an NIT team. In fact, Oregon State probably gets an NIT berth even without reversing the Kent State loss. Thus, the Beavers finished six points away from a fifth-place finish and NIT berth. The Pac-12 was so bunched that the Beavers finished far closer to the upper half and an NIT berth than they finished to the cellar. The other confounding factor is Oregon State's schedule. However, a big part of that was the poor showing at the Advocare Invitational Tournament. Oregon State lost to St. John's by five points and Long Beach State by five points. If you reverse the St. John's loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 20 spots. If you reverse the Long Beach State loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 19 spots, even if you fill in losses otherwise. That's how big it was to avoid Marist's 333rd-rated RPI. If Oregon State goes 2-1 at that tournament, rather than 1-2, and the Beavers pull off the one- and two-point losses, the Beavers now have an RPI of 59. If Oregon State beats California or picks up two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament, Oregon State has a sub-50 RPI and are probably in-line for a NCAA Tournament berth. If the Beavers do both, they have a sub-40 RPI. If the Beavers would have won the Advocare Invitiational Tournament, they similarly would have had a sub-40 RPI. Oregon State was six points away from a very successful season and only a couple more points away from a phenomenal season (at least by the standards that the last 25 years have set). But... 6 or 25... they didn't! You might as well say a few officials calls could have made the difference. Or maybe better substitution patterns... or not shortening the bench and getting a guy like Hollins more experience... This is some Fire Mike Riley nonsense circa 2014. Let's denigrate a guy who was close to doing great things. Our crack AD will surely find someone better. Until Oregon State athletics are bankrolled by a billionaire, I will take close at Oregon State all day, everyday. |
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Post by biggieorange on Mar 21, 2018 9:39:20 GMT -8
No, I think asking any coach to throw out their system would be a horrible idea. You would need someone who actually believes in the system. Fact are though that the Pac12 in 2018 was crap and WT team was near the bottom of it. I think that the Pac-12 was bad, but it was not 2012 bad. Plus, Oregon State lost to Kent State, Utah, Arizona State, and Washington by a combined seven points. If you reverse those results, Oregon State finishes fifth in the Pac-12 and is squarely an NIT team. In fact, Oregon State probably gets an NIT berth even without reversing the Kent State loss. Thus, the Beavers finished six points away from a fifth-place finish and NIT berth. The Pac-12 was so bunched that the Beavers finished far closer to the upper half and an NIT berth than they finished to the cellar. The other confounding factor is Oregon State's schedule. However, a big part of that was the poor showing at the Advocare Invitational Tournament. Oregon State lost to St. John's by five points and Long Beach State by five points. If you reverse the St. John's loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 20 spots. If you reverse the Long Beach State loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 19 spots, even if you fill in losses otherwise. That's how big it was to avoid Marist's 333rd-rated RPI. If Oregon State goes 2-1 at that tournament, rather than 1-2, and the Beavers pull off the one- and two-point losses, the Beavers now have an RPI of 59. If Oregon State beats California or picks up two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament, Oregon State has a sub-50 RPI and are probably in-line for a NCAA Tournament berth. If the Beavers do both, they have a sub-40 RPI. If the Beavers would have won the Advocare Invitiational Tournament, they similarly would have had a sub-40 RPI. Oregon State was six points away from a very successful season and only a couple more points away from a phenomenal season (at least by the standards that the last 25 years have set). If, if, if, if, Yeah they were pretty close at times, question is, do you think WT got everything he could out of the talent available? Did the players get everything out of themselves? I don't know but what I saw on the floor wasn't a well oiled machine. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 21, 2018 11:19:27 GMT -8
I think that the Pac-12 was bad, but it was not 2012 bad. Plus, Oregon State lost to Kent State, Utah, Arizona State, and Washington by a combined seven points. If you reverse those results, Oregon State finishes fifth in the Pac-12 and is squarely an NIT team. In fact, Oregon State probably gets an NIT berth even without reversing the Kent State loss. Thus, the Beavers finished six points away from a fifth-place finish and NIT berth. The Pac-12 was so bunched that the Beavers finished far closer to the upper half and an NIT berth than they finished to the cellar. The other confounding factor is Oregon State's schedule. However, a big part of that was the poor showing at the Advocare Invitational Tournament. Oregon State lost to St. John's by five points and Long Beach State by five points. If you reverse the St. John's loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 20 spots. If you reverse the Long Beach State loss, Oregon State's RPI jumps 19 spots, even if you fill in losses otherwise. That's how big it was to avoid Marist's 333rd-rated RPI. If Oregon State goes 2-1 at that tournament, rather than 1-2, and the Beavers pull off the one- and two-point losses, the Beavers now have an RPI of 59. If Oregon State beats California or picks up two wins in the Pac-12 Tournament, Oregon State has a sub-50 RPI and are probably in-line for a NCAA Tournament berth. If the Beavers do both, they have a sub-40 RPI. If the Beavers would have won the Advocare Invitiational Tournament, they similarly would have had a sub-40 RPI. Oregon State was six points away from a very successful season and only a couple more points away from a phenomenal season (at least by the standards that the last 25 years have set). If, if, if, if, Yeah they were pretty close at times, question is, do you think WT got everything he could out of the talent available? Did the players get everything out of themselves? I don't know but what I saw on the floor wasn't a well oiled machine. You set the question initially. Oregon State was six points away from a tremendous season (by post-Ralph Miller standards). Oregon State was not six points away from the bottom of the conference. Perspective. This was a five-win team last year. 11 more wins this year. If that keeps up, Oregon State wins 27 next year. Start grousing next season, if this team does not improve. |
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