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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 8, 2018 16:56:22 GMT -8
All someone needs to do is look at Portugal for an example of what can happen without net neutrality protections. Some people may not have a problem with this model, but I do. I pay for a data connection, what I do with that data connection is my business, so long as it is not illegal enterprise. Careful OA... this ad isn't what it seems. This is an advert for selling mobile data. essentially akin to Verizon offering unlimited plans, versus 10 GB plans etc. This is not selling typical home broadband internet, which is covered by EU net neutrality regulations passed in 2015. It was picked up on by net neutrality supporters of what "could be"... and to that end, I feel it is effective. This is very well what "could be".
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 8, 2018 17:05:38 GMT -8
All someone needs to do is look at Portugal for an example of what can happen without net neutrality protections. Some people may not have a problem with this model, but I do. I pay for a data connection, what I do with that data connection is my business, so long as it is not illegal enterprise. For all of 7 months of so called 'protection'... did you have an issue beforehand? I'm guessing not, and there is no reason to think much will change. State regulations have much more impact than what any FCC action has. Look into it... there are massive amount of 'protections' for consumers state by state. It is much ado about what could be, but wasn't beforehand. Comparing the European market/Portugal to our situation is so off base, on so many levels, it is not worth mentioning. You might as well be bitching about the original premise that the internet was to be free for all to use!! reactive versus proactive. that is the crux of the argument. why wait for a problem to exist before we address it. Are you one to wait until your roof leaks and damaged is caused before you fix it? or do you fix it when you notice loose shingles, warping and wear... Particularly when it is not that improbable a problem could exist in the not too distant future. Here is the other question... what tangible harm did the net neutrality regulations cause the industry?
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 8, 2018 17:14:47 GMT -8
All someone needs to do is look at Portugal for an example of what can happen without net neutrality protections. Some people may not have a problem with this model, but I do. I pay for a data connection, what I do with that data connection is my business, so long as it is not illegal enterprise. Careful OA... this ad isn't what it seems. This is an advert for selling mobile data. essentially akin to Verizon offering unlimited plans, versus 10 GB plans etc. This is not selling typical home broadband internet, which is covered by EU net neutrality regulations passed in 2015. It was picked up on by net neutrality supporters of what "could be"... and to that end, I feel it is effective. This is very well what "could be". Right - the point being that this is what is happening in Portugal currently because they don't have net neutrality as it governs mobile data usage. It's simply proof that the idea isn't far-fetched, and that the proactive implementation of net neutrality is paramount.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2018 17:15:02 GMT -8
For all of 7 months of so called 'protection'... did you have an issue beforehand? I'm guessing not, and there is no reason to think much will change. State regulations have much more impact than what any FCC action has. Look into it... there are massive amount of 'protections' for consumers state by state. It is much ado about what could be, but wasn't beforehand. Comparing the European market/Portugal to our situation is so off base, on so many levels, it is not worth mentioning. You might as well be bitching about the original premise that the internet was to be free for all to use!! reactive versus proactive. that is the crux of the argument. why wait for a problem to exist before we address it. Are you one to wait until your roof leaks and damaged is caused before you fix it? or do you fix it when you notice loose shingles, warping and wear... Particularly when it is not that improbable a problem could exist in the not too distant future. Here is the other question... what tangible harm did the net neutrality regulations cause the industry? No... the question is... what did they do period? For the common man zero effect will take place unless you think the 7 months staved off some economic manifestation that never occurred before that time. The real question, what did the legislation "head off"? What was so proactive in its implementation? And, as stated, local regulations are more far reaching and stating the sky is soon to fall is hogwash. There was a meaningless piece of legislation misaligned to a medium it was never intended for 7 months of the entire history of the internet. It's false news and every thing else is pure conjecture.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2018 17:22:13 GMT -8
Careful OA... this ad isn't what it seems. This is an advert for selling mobile data. essentially akin to Verizon offering unlimited plans, versus 10 GB plans etc. This is not selling typical home broadband internet, which is covered by EU net neutrality regulations passed in 2015. It was picked up on by net neutrality supporters of what "could be"... and to that end, I feel it is effective. This is very well what "could be". Right - the point being that this is what is happening in Portugal currently because they don't have net neutrality as it governs mobile data usage. It's simply proof that the idea isn't far-fetched, and that the proactive implementation of net neutrality is paramount. So, you admit completely false. You picked an ad that represents your viewpoint of what could happen... from a European market where that ad also didn't apply to their law. So... then we can find ads from pre-NN to show none of that really happened before and we're on the same page? Finding data that had zero to do with our current situation then stating it could happen is about as fake news as it gets. Opens a whole bunch of easy arguments though...
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Post by rob85 on Jan 8, 2018 18:15:44 GMT -8
You people are f*cking insane. I salute you.
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Post by SouthernBeaver on Jan 8, 2018 18:24:53 GMT -8
The reason I don't want Smith to be coach is because we have already dropped every single recruit we have.
But since you are calling me out for being untruthful, I guess I'll admit that is what *could* happen. But don't mind that-- just assume it will for sure, and move on. No one question anything! NO! DON'T USE LOGIC! WE ARE IN A LOGIC-FREE ZONE! WHAT KIND OF RACIST ARE YOU THAT YOU WOULD USE INTELLECT INSTEAD OF BELIEVE MY ADMITTEDLY FALSE POST???
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2018 18:34:57 GMT -8
The reason I don't want Smith to be coach is because we have already dropped every single recruit we have. But since you are calling me out for being untruthful, I guess I'll admit that is what *could* happen. But don't mind that-- just assume it will for sure, and move on. No one question anything! NO! DON'T USE LOGIC! WE ARE IN A LOGIC-FREE ZONE! WHAT KIND OF RACIST ARE YOU THAT YOU WOULD USE INTELLECT INSTEAD OF BELIEVE MY ADMITTEDLY FALSE POST??? Please go find your meds.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 8, 2018 19:53:33 GMT -8
OK, this thread is officially off the rails.........Lock it or move it please.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 8, 2018 20:03:29 GMT -8
Right - the point being that this is what is happening in Portugal currently because they don't have net neutrality as it governs mobile data usage. It's simply proof that the idea isn't far-fetched, and that the proactive implementation of net neutrality is paramount. So, you admit completely false. You picked an ad that represents your viewpoint of what could happen... from a European market where that ad also didn't apply to their law. So... then we can find ads from pre-NN to show none of that really happened before and we're on the same page? Finding data that had zero to do with our current situation then stating it could happen is about as fake news as it gets. Opens a whole bunch of easy arguments though... LMAO I don't have the energy or the enthusiasm about the topic to get into this with someone as tenacious a debater as you are. Thread is heading for a lock anyway so... cheers! haha
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 8, 2018 20:04:47 GMT -8
The reason I don't want Smith to be coach is because we have already dropped every single recruit we have. But since you are calling me out for being untruthful, I guess I'll admit that is what *could* happen. But don't mind that-- just assume it will for sure, and move on. No one question anything! NO! DON'T USE LOGIC! WE ARE IN A LOGIC-FREE ZONE! WHAT KIND OF RACIST ARE YOU THAT YOU WOULD USE INTELLECT INSTEAD OF BELIEVE MY ADMITTEDLY FALSE POST??? Please go find your meds. this whole thread forgot to take their meds haha
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