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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 8, 2017 12:09:46 GMT -8
..called angrybeavs.
The complete critical meltdown over there is hilarious.
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Post by thomasg86 on Dec 8, 2017 12:36:58 GMT -8
Seems like it's just about 15 people having a circle-jerk over an irrational hatred of Riley.
Look, the program was trending downward his last few seasons. I would have been upset if he was brought back as the head coach. I think his head coaching days are behind him, but he still has so much to offer. They act like he is going to hire Banker back and do clock management.
Personally, I'm excited and trust Niner's judgement. I think we are going to have an awesome staff and get this baby turned around!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 12:40:30 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational"
There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational.
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Post by thomasg86 on Dec 8, 2017 12:59:10 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. That's fair. There is a probably a better word. There are legitimate reasons to have some hesitation, sure. A lot of the stuff over there is completely over the top though. EDIT: "Pathological" in the compulsive, obsessive sense. That's what I meant, couldn't find the right word.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 13:18:58 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. Curious, but then wouldn't the logic.... Just because you agree with them, does not make them rational....work as well?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 8, 2017 13:25:04 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. Four2itus beat me to it, but he's spot on and it bears repeating. There are plenty of irrational reasons to dislike Riley, and just because you agree with them doesn't automatically make them rational. Seriously, start listing rational reasons to dislike Riley. I'd like to see them.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 8, 2017 13:25:18 GMT -8
I always enjoy reading about the many times some of the AngryBeav regulars are withholding donations or not buying tickets.
So.. I'm serious guys, I'm really, really, really not buying those season tickets that I was never going to buy and now I'm totally withholding that donation that I was already pretend withholding from the last time I was SUPER angry about (insert OSU thing).
I'm waiting for someone to go smash a keurig outside of VFC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 13:25:35 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. Curious, but then wouldn't the logic.... Just because you agree with them, does not make them rational....work as well? Who says I agree with them? I post there and if you went and looked (same user name) I am not in agreement with most of their reasons. That doesn't make them irrational. I dislike Riley for the Brenda Tracy situation and how he handled that. I wouldn't hire him back because he quit on the program not once but twice AND I worry about him possibly over shadowing JS. Those are perfectly rational reasons to disagree with the hire. But are by no means an exhaustive list of rational reasons. You guys pretend that their are no rational reasons to dislike this hire, I'd call irrational.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 8, 2017 13:30:24 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. How would you classify this fairly representative post from that site? “F**k it. Call him Jonathan Riley all you want. This sucks.”
Dozens and dozens just like it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 13:34:37 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. How would you classify this fairly representative post from that site? “F**k it. Call him Jonathan Riley all you want. This sucks.”
Dozens and dozens just like it. I'd disagree that that is representative. There are 3-4 posters (out of dozens) that are using that. And even if 1 comment is irrational, it doesn't discredit every comment. Yes, most on the site dislike the hire and dislike Riley. Most dislike Riley for rational reasons but the emotions of that dislike can make them have irrational responses.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 8, 2017 13:40:12 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. Four2itus beat me to it, but he's spot on and it bears repeating. There are plenty of irrational reasons to dislike Riley, and just because you agree with them doesn't automatically make them rational. Seriously, start listing rational reasons to dislike Riley. I'd like to see them. It could also be argued that it is "irrational" to be on the pro "hire Riley back a third time" side. And not everyone that disagrees with Riley coming back as an asst HC, "dislike Riley" I don't personally know him. Some people absolutely didn't want other coaches to come here during the search, does that mean they hate or dislike them? Some of us don't like the idea of bringing someone back for a third time, when he has shown at the end of his last stint here that he started to slide downhill and then going into a better situation (at Neb.), with better resources and players than in Corvallis (as he apparently stated) and being underwhelming at best. If you choose to say that everything Riley did at Oregon State was extremely successful...ok... the numbers don't paint the same picture. If you want to try and argue that he was successful at Nebraska because there are other coaches that have done worse with their programs, ok.... what about the facts though? Go Beavs!
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 8, 2017 13:41:49 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. How would you classify this fairly representative post from that site? “F**k it. Call him Jonathan Riley all you want. This sucks.”
Dozens and dozens just like it. So a fan has an outburst that seems inappropriate. Are you saying there aren't Pro-Riley fans on here that do the same. And personally attack posters they don't even know? Go Beavs!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 8, 2017 13:42:54 GMT -8
On this quitting thing... if you had a business and hired a manager to fix your pathetically unscuccessful business and in two years time he turned it in the right direction, then a big company offered him a prestigious position at triple what you were paying... would you refuse to rehire him when your next manager took off for a more prestigious job?
If you did hire him and he came back for a decade and a half, bringing your business to where it was consistently competitive and in the top 30% or so of your field for said decade and a half, albeit a few temporary downturns... and yet another prestigious company wants to take him, this time at 40% more than you are willing to give him... and he moves on...
If he came back and offered his availability to help you, at a lesser position, would you call him a quitter and say no effin' way even though he might be the most qualified person available for a position you need filled?
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Post by gobeavs92 on Dec 8, 2017 13:49:37 GMT -8
On this quitting thing... if you had a business and hired a manager to fix your pathetically unscuccessful business and in two years time he turned it in the right direction, then a big company offered him a prestigious position at triple what you were paying... would you refuse to rehire him when your next manager took off for a more prestigious job? If you did hire him and he came back for a decade and a half, bringing your business to where it was consistently competitive and in the top 30% or so of your field for said decade and a half, albeit a few temporary downturns... and yet another prestigious company wants to take him, this time at 40% more than you are willing to give him... and he moves on... If he came back and offered his availability to help you, at a lesser position, would you call him a quitter and say no effin' way even though he might be the most qualified person available for a position you need filled? Honest question: Are you on board with the Smith hire, now that Riley is back? Go Beavs!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 13:50:21 GMT -8
On this quitting thing... if you had a business and hired a manager to fix your pathetically unscuccessful business and in two years time he turned it in the right direction, then a big company offered him a prestigious position at triple what you were paying... would you refuse to rehire him when your next manager took off for a more prestigious job? If you did hire him and he came back for a decade and a half, bringing your business to where it was consistently competitive and in the top 30% or so of your field for said decade and a half, albeit a few temporary downturns... and yet another prestigious company wants to take him, this time at 40% more than you are willing to give him... and he moves on... If he came back and offered his availability to help you, at a lesser position, would you call him a quitter and say no effin' way even though he might be the most qualified person available for a position you need filled? In this specific case. Yes, I would tell him no. In another case, maybe not but in this case. I would go in another direction. Which is a perfectly valid position to take.
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