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Post by obf on Dec 4, 2017 9:24:17 GMT -8
Which is great, and at the college level a very good RB can do that. But lets be honest there may be five (5) Rb at any given time in the world that can do that at the NFL level these days, and that is why the RB is SOOOO undervalued there. I mean just look at the seahawks tonight... Some random guy named Mike Davis (I am a slightly more than casual Seahawks fan and I had never heard of him) looked GREAT, next game he may be cut... Because in the NFL it is so much more about scheme, O Line, and QB than the RB. Seriously, name more than 5 NFL running backs right now that are "special" that couldn't be interchanged with some other, very good, but basically run of the mill back. It is also why Terron Ward can be a very very good backup in the NFL even though he didn't even start for his college team. He plays because he is good at everything, is a great team player, good in the locker room, etc. not because he is that great of a runner. Of course item #1 for a good NFL back that isn't "special" is pass pro... the very thing Ryan is most lacking. And here is where the chickens come to roost. We all blasted QA (and Riley to some extent) that they didn't see that Ryan was going to be an obvious good college RB and stick him there, but in reality what they saw was a guy that could be a very good RB, but also a "special" TE or LB. Of course now he is too invested to be drafted in those positions as anything other than a 7th round or UDFA project. If they has stayed committed to making Nall a special LB or TE he could be a Gronk or a Kuechly. As it is now, he is hoping to be Terron Ward or Maaayyybbbeeee, with a great year next year (1500 yards) Quiz. As a Beaver fan I LOVE that they put him at RB and I HOPE he comes back for his senior year and kicks major butt. But if had been his advisor 4 years ago.... I would have told him to become a world class TE... We can blame the late 90's and early 2000 Denver Broncos. The team that make the zone blocking OL and the one cut running back popular. Broncos became the "Insert RB, gain 1,000 yards" team. From the end of Davis's run, that team has cycled starting RBs like no other. and for the most part, didn't really miss any beats. I think other teams saw this, and went "why are we paying top dollar to a #1 RB, that is a huge injury risk position". It is why the bellcow RB in the NFL is now pretty rare. 30 touches a game never happen, except for on rare occasion. Running back by committee is the norm now. IN college, you don't quite have the skill and stability on the OL. So true lead backs are still a thing. As for Nall being a top LB. He has the size and the speed... but I am going to be honest, to you really think he has the physicality? He could... but he doesn't exude it. Nall looks to shake contact a lot as a runner, and I think that is holding him back. By all means, He lowers his head here and there, but nothing like you would expect your 230-240 pound RB to do. Does that translate to an outstanding OLB? Maybe if that was what he started off doing. I dunno. I don't seem him necessarily having the nose to come make a huge hit. If I had been his High School Counselor, I would have told him to put on his reciever gloves and go be the next star OSU TE and then a big time pass catcher in the NFL... He would have still had to learn to Block I guess... LB may be a bit different mindset, but he doesn't seem shy about delivering a blow, durability issues may have dogged him there as well though...
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Post by calder on Dec 4, 2017 15:29:42 GMT -8
If I had been his High School Counselor, I would have told him to put on his reciever gloves and go be the next star OSU TE and then a big time pass catcher in the NFL... He would have still had to learn to Block I guess... LB may be a bit different mindset, but he doesn't seem shy about delivering a blow, durability issues may have dogged him there as well though... I get what you are trying to say but your numbers are off by quite a bit. Tight ends are consistently the lowest paid position group in the NFL. I just did a quick Google to confirm and yes TE still average a lower salary than Kickers/Punters. (1.4 Million a year vs 1.65 million.) Like others have said, I don't think he has the durability and/or mentality to play linebacker.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 4, 2017 15:50:19 GMT -8
If I had been his High School Counselor, I would have told him to put on his reciever gloves and go be the next star OSU TE and then a big time pass catcher in the NFL... He would have still had to learn to Block I guess... LB may be a bit different mindset, but he doesn't seem shy about delivering a blow, durability issues may have dogged him there as well though... I get what you are trying to say but your numbers are off by quite a bit. Tight ends are consistently the lowest paid position group in the NFL. I just did a quick Google to confirm and yes TE still average a lower salary than Kickers/Punters. (1.4 Million a year vs 1.65 million.) Like others have said, I don't think he has the durability and/or mentality to play linebacker. He played it, and was quite good at it, at Central Catholic, but college ball is a whole different animal, and the guys who make it to the league at linebacker are from another planet.
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Post by sctsbeaver on Dec 4, 2017 15:58:03 GMT -8
Ryan Nall won a couple games in his career for the beavs almost single handedly. I hope beavs have someone like that next year if it's not him. Which is great, and at the college level a very good RB can do that. But lets be honest there may be five (5) Rb at any given time in the world that can do that at the NFL level these days, and that is why the RB is SOOOO undervalued there. I mean just look at the seahawks tonight... Some random guy named Mike Davis (I am a slightly more than casual Seahawks fan and I had never heard of him) looked GREAT, next game he may be cut... Because in the NFL it is so much more about scheme, O Line, and QB than the RB. Seriously, name more than 5 NFL running backs right now that are "special" that couldn't be interchanged with some other, very good, but basically run of the mill back. It is also why Terron Ward can be a very very good backup in the NFL even though he didn't even start for his college team. He plays because he is good at everything, is a great team player, good in the locker room, etc. not because he is that great of a runner. Of course item #1 for a good NFL back that isn't "special" is pass pro... the very thing Ryan is most lacking. And here is where the chickens come to roost. We all blasted QA (and Riley to some extent) that they didn't see that Ryan was going to be an obvious good college RB and stick him there, but in reality what they saw was a guy that could be a very good RB, but also a "special" TE or LB. Of course now he is too invested to be drafted in those positions as anything other than a 7th round or UDFA project. If they has stayed committed to making Nall a special LB or TE he could be a Gronk or a Kuechly. As it is now, he is hoping to be Terron Ward or Maaayyybbbeeee, with a great year next year (1500 yards) Quiz. As a Beaver fan I LOVE that they put him at RB and I HOPE he comes back for his senior year and kicks major butt. But if had been his advisor 4 years ago.... I would have told him to become a world class TE... He would make a great TE, not sure how much he likes to block though. Plus it would have been an absolute waste with our Offense. He would have been totally lost in obscurity and frustration. At least at RB he got touches.
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Post by easyheat on Dec 5, 2017 22:59:51 GMT -8
A few considerations with a Nall transfer to Stanford. 1. Stanford is not in great shape next year at the RB position. Cameron Scarlett will begin spring ball as the #1, but Scarlett isn't particularly fast or elusive and is basically a 3-yard short yardage power back. Trevor Speights is a Texas phenom that is powerful and has sub 4.5 speed but a poor fit for Shaw's offense that pounds the ball inside the tackles 40 times. The incoming freshman, Justice from Charlotte, NC is a carbon copy of this year's freshman, Weddington who played in the slot. Ryan Nall could become the featured back at Stanford - he has the tools.
2. Is Stanford interested in Nall? Purely speculation on my part, but I'd say yes they should be.
3. I believe Ryan is a communications major. Stanford's graduate school in communications is extremely difficult to enter. The admission rate is something like 10%. Nall could however apply in a different grad program where his odds of admission would be much better.
4. Grad transfers are rare at Stanford. Brennan Scarlett had a huge year at Stanford after graduating from Cal's Haas School of Business in 2015. After an injury filled career at Cal, he was selected All Pac-12, had a eye-popping game vs Iowa in the Rose Bowl and now plays in the NFL. I think Nall would be only the second grad transfer since the rule was initiated by the NCAA.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 5, 2017 23:07:14 GMT -8
A few considerations with a Nall transfer to Stanford. 1. Stanford is not in great shape next year at the RB position. Cameron Scarlett will begin spring ball as the #1, but Scarlett isn't particularly fast or elusive and is basically a 3-yard short yardage power back. Trevor Speights is a Texas phenom that is powerful and has sub 4.5 speed but a poor fit for Shaw's offense that pounds the ball inside the tackles 40 times. The incoming freshman, Justice from Charlotte, NC is a carbon copy of this year's freshman, Weddington who played in the slot. Ryan Nall could become the featured back at Stanford - he has the tools. 2. Is Stanford interested in Nall? Purely speculation on my part, but I'd say yes they should be. 3. I believe Ryan is a communications major. Stanford's graduate school in communications is extremely difficult to enter. The admission rate is something like 10%. Nall could however apply in a different grad program where his odds of admission would be much better. 4. Grad transfers are rare at Stanford. Brennan Scarlett had a huge year at Stanford after graduating from Cal's Haas School of Business in 2015. After an injury filled career at Cal, he was selected All Pac-12, had a eye-popping game vs Iowa in the Rose Bowl and now plays in the NFL. I think Nall would be only the second grad transfer since the rule was initiated by the NCAA. So... wait... powerful and sub 4.5 isn't a fit? But, Love and Nall are? Of the three, which doesn't fit?
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 6, 2017 3:27:15 GMT -8
I get what you are trying to say but your numbers are off by quite a bit. Tight ends are consistently the lowest paid position group in the NFL. I just did a quick Google to confirm and yes TE still average a lower salary than Kickers/Punters. (1.4 Million a year vs 1.65 million.) Like others have said, I don't think he has the durability and/or mentality to play linebacker. He played it, and was quite good at it, at Central Catholic, but college ball is a whole different animal, and the guys who make it to the league at linebacker are from another planet. Also, fCGA, the supreme judge of talent and potential, felt RN projected better at the next level as a LB. So there's that.........
Go Beavs!!
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Post by easyheat on Dec 6, 2017 19:00:41 GMT -8
We can only speculate how effective Nall would be in Stanford's running game. I think he would do fine in the same fashion Toby Gerhart did in 2007-'08. Similar style backs, 230+ and 4.6 range
Regarding Speights - Speights has struggled adapting to Stanford's scheme. He's strong, has good speed but came from a spread attack in high school. At Stanford, backs don't press the LOS, they are taught to read and be patient, then hit the crease when it develops. Speights is used to exploding into a hole off the snap and is learning to cool his jets until the play develops. At this point in his development, he is best playing in space, not running behind 7 and 8 man lines blocking 8-10 defenders in the box.
At McAllen-Memorial he averaged 10+ yards a carry. At Stanford in 2017, he rushed 34 times for 127 yards and 3.7 yards a carry.
Strength and speed are plus attributes for good backs but they don't guarantee the guy will be an effective runner. McCaffrey and Love were patient, Speights is learning.
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