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Post by orangethunder on Nov 26, 2017 7:27:07 GMT -8
I used to think the guy had the motivational factor , the ability to get this team to believe in itself, that it could beat anyone if they just put in the effort . Hell , I don't have the words at this early hour to express how I once felt about Hall but at the moment , I rescind my support to give him a chance . Not because the Beavers lost all five games under Hall including the disaster yesterday that would have made Custer proud , but because of what was most likely the reason they got massacred so badly .
One OSU player wanted the Beavs to shut up about last years Civil War , put it away and prepare for this one like they still hadn't won it , instead the Beavs took on a " We can beat the Ducks any time , anywhere and ... F the Ducks " attitude that culminated in some of the trashiest , filthiest trash talk that would make the less mature portion of the Duck fan base proud , that part of the Duck fan base that you and I will always hate and it was led by Hall and the rest of the coaches . I am sorry Coach Hall , I don't know what they do in the NFL and that might take place in other college towns , but this kind of behavior is not Beaver football , it is not Corvallis and it is NOT the typical Beaver fan . I loved having Dennis Erikson as coach because of the success he brought to OSU but I hated the tactics and dirty play he taught that helped bring that success to OSU . I guess there have to be trade offs sometimes but as a veteran fan , Coach Halls obscene efforts to motivate the team are not what I want the media to talk about . That is not the kind of team I want to be associated with
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Post by xman68 on Nov 26, 2017 7:59:19 GMT -8
I don't know about his obscene efforts to motivate this week, but was going to pretty much post the same sentiment. Football is a game of emotion first and foremost, and if you can get 85 men to believe in themselves, in each other, and in what they are doing, you are going to win some games. You can hire the x and o guys, but you cannot teach that ability to motivate and believe.
But starting with the first half of ua game you could start to see cracks, and the cracks continued to grow until they broke the entire team down.
Back to square one. Again. And I do believe we are way worse off than when mr left. If ga hadn't deliberately ran off talent that situation seemed fairly manageable compared to where we sit today.
This has the feeling of year 5 of 28.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 26, 2017 8:02:38 GMT -8
But we would have put up with it if we had won 69-10.
Andersen was a cusser. Coach Cav was legendary for his obscene outbursts. Nobody really cared because we were winning.
Let’s not act like we are a church league team guys. Our team is a bunch of 18-23 year olds that probably drink underage, have premarital sex, smoke weed, call each other racial slurs as jokes, stay up late and do a whole host of other things their moms don’t approve of, and they’ve been that way since 1905.
The reason we are all on our high horse right now is because they went 1-11 and we have to listen to our friends and co workers from other schools tell us that they feel sorry for us and that “it’ll get better.”
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2017 9:30:24 GMT -8
But we would have put up with it if we had won 69-10. Andersen was a cusser. Coach Cav was legendary for his obscene outbursts. Nobody really cared because we were winning. Let’s not act like we are a church league team guys. Our team is a bunch of 18-23 year olds that probably drink underage, have premarital sex, smoke weed, call each other racial slurs as jokes, stay up late and do a whole host of other things their moms don’t approve of, and they’ve been that way since 1905. The reason we are all on our high horse right now is because they went 1-11 and we have to listen to our friends and co workers from other schools tell us that they feel sorry for us and that “it’ll get better.” Actually your quite wrong... winning would have covered it more, and those who would have brought it up would have be derided by those who just cared we won. Again... what Hall invoked was not the same as Cav or GA swearing. Hall used it as a planned motivational tool... he made it a very public "look at me" moment. Cav swore and had rants as he was coaching. He also was called on the carpet for actions at practice several times. GA swore mostly in emotional outbursts... but had a very controlled public demeanor. Hall's move was one of frustration and from a man not worthy to be considered a coordinator let alone a HC. Hopefully a learning lesson for him. |
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Post by EOBeav on Nov 26, 2017 10:09:04 GMT -8
My opinion of Hall has not changed. We were lucky that he stepped in to a very difficult situation, and he made the best of it. He'll be a solid coordinator for somebody someday. Just probably not us, and probably not in the near future.
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 26, 2017 10:11:28 GMT -8
I think the asst coaches threw Hall under the bus
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Post by greshambeaver on Nov 26, 2017 10:23:42 GMT -8
I don't think we should be throwing coach Hall completely under the bus for his tactics this week. I have seen the guy try his best and be somewhat successful. My thought is he had run out of answers with the experience level he has. I don't think he is "the guy" yet, but I think he has a bright future and I hope that is at OSU for awhile.
Taggart was way overboard with his classless decisions and I will take Hall any day over him. I don't know who should be coaching this team next year, but I hope it is someone that has the experience to do four major things, 1) Organize, Control, Relate and Recruit "both kids and coaches".
The school and we the fans need to give it some time also, as long as there is some improvement each year. I am of the opinion we need a new basketball coach also, so it will not be an easy next couple of years for the two biggest revenue sports on campus.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Nov 26, 2017 10:29:56 GMT -8
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Post by greshambeaver on Nov 26, 2017 12:34:32 GMT -8
Good article.
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Post by seastape on Nov 26, 2017 13:04:15 GMT -8
But we would have put up with it if we had won 69-10. Andersen was a cusser. Coach Cav was legendary for his obscene outbursts. Nobody really cared because we were winning. Let’s not act like we are a church league team guys. Our team is a bunch of 18-23 year olds that probably drink underage, have premarital sex, smoke weed, call each other racial slurs as jokes, stay up late and do a whole host of other things their moms don’t approve of, and they’ve been that way since 1905. The reason we are all on our high horse right now is because they went 1-11 and we have to listen to our friends and co workers from other schools tell us that they feel sorry for us and that “it’ll get better.” Put up with it, yes. Been happy with it? No. During the Fiesta Bowl year, OSU was smashing opponents left and right. And how were players celebrating their accomplishments? By pantomiming police-stop frisks of players who made great plays. A lot of Beaver fans and a lot of media were horrified by the display. I wasn't; I thought the people who were upset were showing a lack of cultural misunderstanding, but nevertheless, a lot of fans did not like it one bit. OSU for some reason developed a reputation for being thugs. This situation is a little different, but its applicable. A lot of people don't like trash talking and don't like profanity. Funny thing: a lot of those people know that there is swearing in practice and trash-talking between players on the field. At the same time, a lot of those same people do not want to hear the trash talking and swearing coming from coaches and/or players IN PUBLIC before a game. That is the main difference: lot of people could care less of players trash talk during the game on the field, but everyone knows that giving teams "chalkboard" material is just a way to give your opponent extra motivation. And using profanity as part of a public persona? That's just trash for a lot of people. Yes, if OSU had won 69-10, there would be more tolerance of it, but a lot of people out there, many associated with OSU, would not be happy with that kind of crud. They would be lamenting the fact that OSU's outstanding football team does not play with class. The fact that OSU had an awful team this year just makes it all the worse... |
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Post by rob85 on Nov 26, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -8
The use of profanity is the last resort of inarticulate motherf%#*ers.
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 26, 2017 13:17:15 GMT -8
Twitter saying assistants will get to finish out their term, Hall has the option to stay on as interim Coach? Thoughts?
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 26, 2017 13:21:04 GMT -8
But we would have put up with it if we had won 69-10. Andersen was a cusser. Coach Cav was legendary for his obscene outbursts. Nobody really cared because we were winning. Let’s not act like we are a church league team guys. Our team is a bunch of 18-23 year olds that probably drink underage, have premarital sex, smoke weed, call each other racial slurs as jokes, stay up late and do a whole host of other things their moms don’t approve of, and they’ve been that way since 1905. The reason we are all on our high horse right now is because they went 1-11 and we have to listen to our friends and co workers from other schools tell us that they feel sorry for us and that “it’ll get better.” Put up with it, yes. Been happy with it? No. During the Fiesta Bowl year, OSU was smashing opponents left and right. And how were players celebrating their accomplishments? By pantomiming police-stop frisks of players who made great plays. A lot of Beaver fans and a lot of media were horrified by the display. I wasn't; I thought the people who were upset were showing a lack of cultural misunderstanding, but nevertheless, a lot of fans did not like it one bit. OSU for some reason developed a reputation for being thugs. This situation is a little different, but its applicable. A lot of people don't like trash talking and don't like profanity. Funny thing: a lot of those people know that there is swearing in practice and trash-talking between players on the field. At the same time, a lot of those same people do not want to hear the trash talking and swearing coming from coaches and/or players IN PUBLIC before a game. That is the main difference: lot of people could care less of players trash talk during the game on the field, but everyone knows that giving teams "chalkboard" material is just a way to give your opponent extra motivation. And using profanity as part of a public persona? That's just trash for a lot of people. Yes, if OSU had won 69-10, there would be more tolerance of it, but a lot of people out there, many associated with OSU, would not be happy with that kind of crud. They would be lamenting the fact that OSU's outstanding football team does not play with class. The fact that OSU had an awful team this year just makes it all the worse... I don't think as many people get upset about cussing as you believe in all due respect |
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Post by lebaneaver on Nov 26, 2017 13:25:34 GMT -8
People honestly upset about profanity during a football game??? LOLOLOL!
There are more important things to be concerned about. A thousand things. No?
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Post by korculabeav on Nov 27, 2017 12:03:11 GMT -8
People honestly upset about profanity during a football game??? LOLOLOL! There are more important things to be concerned about. A thousand things. No? I have no concern with profanity from coaches. I take exception to how Hall applied his motivation "tactics" that obviously fueled the fire of D*cks motivations for the CW. All Hall and a group of others did in the program was give hole locker room material to come out and smash OSU even harder. Anyone could have anticipated that a 1-10 team has no leg to stand on with that kind of trash talk. |
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