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Nov 23, 2017 19:14:29 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 23, 2017 19:14:29 GMT -8
Choke job. So many turnovers. I hate it. Yeah, but is it the coach or the coaches kids that feel entitled? They should be leaders. I'm not seeing any on court leadership. Don't know the answer and don't care to assign blame. Just get that s%#t figured out.
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Nov 23, 2017 19:19:17 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 23, 2017 19:19:17 GMT -8
Yeah, but is it the coach or the coaches kids that feel entitled? They should be leaders. I'm not seeing any on court leadership. Don't know the answer and don't care to assign blame. Just get that s%#t figured out. adder I saw stupid passes and ball handling mistakes from voahes kids and non-coachs kids. St John's was all anout pressure D but doesn't mean you can't keep possession. Best to attack an aggressive d with the dribble drive and dish. I saw lazy cross court passes. 🤢
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 24, 2017 9:56:51 GMT -8
Although, we let the game slip away, I actually saw a lot of improvement from the team. We held them to 38% shooting and shot 44% ourselves, including 46% from 3. The defense was much better overall and the players were communicating better. Stevie finally starting knocking down 3's.
The negatives are still the turnovers. McLaughlin seems to have regressed from last year. I'm not sure what our PG alternatives are though. We definitely need some help there.
The one major coaching issue that I had was when we switched to zone more often in the 2nd half. It opened up some 3 point looks for them and we had trouble boxing out smaller players in the zone leading to offensive rebounds.
We still have issues, especially the turnovers, but I do think that the team played their best game of the year yesterday. It's not going to be good enough for Pac-12 play, but I did see some improvement.
At least were not Cal, who lost to Chaminade. Or, UA who was ranked #2 and has lost 2 straight. UA also had some major turnover issues against SMU. The held SMU to 31% shooting and still lost due to turnovers.
I'm not ready to give up on the season yet....I still think this team is capable of winning anywhere from 12-18 games due to the league being much weaker than last year.
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OSU V SJU
Nov 24, 2017 10:09:30 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 24, 2017 10:09:30 GMT -8
"Or UA..." You're kidding... right? Figure of speech? We don't have a player who'd start for UA... or be in their top 8. Maybe Drew would get some spot big man minutes. Hmmmmm.... OSU right now... or UA's talent, #2 (still will be top 10), two early NC losses?
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 24, 2017 10:27:39 GMT -8
"Or UA..." You're kidding... right? Figure of speech? We don't have a player who'd start for UA... or be in their top 8. Maybe Drew would get some spot big man minutes. Hmmmmm.... OSU right now... or UA's talent, #2 (still will be top 10), two early NC losses? My UA comment was in reference to expectations and the "talent" that they have.
I was not making any comparison of our talent to their talent....However, I do think this team has the most raw talent that we've had since the 90's. But talent does not necessarily equal complete basketball players.
If the most talent won every year, Kentucky would have a lot more than 1 title under Calipari.
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Nov 24, 2017 11:33:46 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 24, 2017 11:33:46 GMT -8
"Or UA..." You're kidding... right? Figure of speech? We don't have a player who'd start for UA... or be in their top 8. Maybe Drew would get some spot big man minutes. Hmmmmm.... OSU right now... or UA's talent, #2 (still will be top 10), two early NC losses? My UA comment was in reference to expectations and the "talent" that they have.
I was not making any comparison of our talent to their talent....However, I do think this team has the most raw talent that we've had since the 90's. But talent does not necessarily equal complete basketball players.
If the most talent won every year, Kentucky would have a lot more than 1 title under Calipari.
Is only argue the "most raw talent" portion. Raw or not we have had more coachable talent by far. Our definition may differ? But, in assessing talent the attitudes are a huge factor. Hence, I'd agree talent isn't everything. And I'd say without hesitation our current crop was severely over rated... in thrur athleticism, basketball skills/IQ, and teachability. Our last two coaches had more success with the supposedly "less heralded"... which to me means they were indeed more talented to actually take coaching and execute. UA has not ruined any expectations... they are young and have a great coach. I've got no doubt they win 28-30 and get to the Sweet 16, Elite 8. Any fan expectations of NC are crazy in college hoops. Too many variables in a one and done tourney and loads of talent out there. Our issue seems to be higher rated players who don't take coaching OR a coaching staff that can't control highly rated (over) players OR both. I'm in the last camp. Eddie, Craig, Wayne all seem to be following the same trajectory.
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OSU V SJU
Nov 24, 2017 11:34:20 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 24, 2017 11:34:20 GMT -8
My UA comment was in reference to expectations and the "talent" that they have.
I was not making any comparison of our talent to their talent....However, I do think this team has the most raw talent that we've had since the 90's. But talent does not necessarily equal complete basketball players.
If the most talent won every year, Kentucky would have a lot more than 1 title under Calipari.
I'd only argue the "most raw talent" portion. Raw or not we have had more coachable talent by far. Our definition may differ? But, in assessing talent the attitudes are a huge factor. Hence, I'd agree talent isn't everything. And I'd say without hesitation our current crop was severely overrated... in their athleticism, basketball skills/IQ, and teachability quotient. Our last two coaches had more success with the supposedly "less heralded"... which to me means those kids were indeed more "talented" to actually take coaching and execute. UA has not ruined any expectations... they are young and have a great coach. I've got no doubt they win 28-30 and get to the Sweet 16, Elite 8. Any fan expectations of NC are crazy in college hoops. Too many variables in a one and done tourney and loads of talent out there. Our issue seems to be higher rated players who don't take coaching OR a coaching staff that can't control highly rated (over) players OR both. I'm in the last camp. Eddie, Craig, Wayne all seem to be following the same trajectory.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 24, 2017 11:51:50 GMT -8
You don't have to be talented to be coachable...those are two different things.
I think the main issue with the "ratings" is the AAU circuit. There is very little defense played and their is very little focus on teaching proper defense. In addition, since there is not an emphasis on defense, the players rely on lazy passes. These bad habits carry over when they enter college. It is hard to accurately "rate" a player when they are not playing the way they are going to need to play to be successful in college.
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