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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 16, 2017 15:48:15 GMT -8
It's hard to sell the program to anyone, coaches, players, recruits, fans, when we have the worst facilities in the conference. If a coach has a choice between two otherwise equal programs, why would he or she pick the one with the worse facilities that will only make his/her long term success less likely? ============================= We do not have the worst facilities in the conference. Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever walked another campus and see the facilities... some stadiums not even on campus and falling apart. Some you're literally 30-40 yards from the field. Others are just pigs with lipstick... I'd rate Cal the worst by far... as least for overall facilities and campus that seems to be in disrepair almost everywhere. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 16, 2017 15:54:00 GMT -8
It's hard to sell the program to anyone, coaches, players, recruits, fans, when we have the worst facilities in the conference. If a coach has a choice between two otherwise equal programs, why would he or she pick the one with the worse facilities that will only make his/her long term success less likely? ============================= We do not have the worst facilities in the conference. Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever walked another campus and see the facilities... some stadiums not even on campus and falling apart. Some you're literally 30-40 yards from the field. Others are just pigs with lipstick... I'd rate Cal the worst by far... as least for overall facilities and campus that seems to be in disrepair almost everywhere. Also, UCLA only had an 80 yard practice field until 2015, when they finally obtained a full size practice field. |
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 16, 2017 16:03:50 GMT -8
Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever walked another campus and see the facilities... some stadiums not even on campus and falling apart. Some you're literally 30-40 yards from the field. Others are just pigs with lipstick... I'd rate Cal the worst by far... as least for overall facilities and campus that seems to be in disrepair almost everywhere. Also, UCLA only had an 80 yard practice field until 2015, when they finally obtained a full size practice field. well, you know the cost of real estate in LA |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 16, 2017 16:10:18 GMT -8
It's hard to sell the program to anyone, coaches, players, recruits, fans, when we have the worst facilities in the conference. If a coach has a choice between two otherwise equal programs, why would he or she pick the one with the worse facilities that will only make his/her long term success less likely? ============================= We do not have the worst facilities in the conference. Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever walked another campus and see the facilities... some stadiums not even on campus and falling apart. Some you're literally 30-40 yards from the field. Others are just pigs with lipstick... I'd rate Cal the worst by far... as least for overall facilities and campus that seems to be in disrepair almost everywhere. I agree. It's been a while but Sun Devil stadium was not much different from the West side of Reser, and the Coliseum is historic, but not great. Especially walking through the piss filled tunnels to get there. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 16, 2017 17:30:38 GMT -8
Right now we need to fill our current stadium before even thinking about rebuilding it.
Back in the Riley years, those years board posters were complaining we needed to can Riley because people might stop coming to games if he stayed, there was a California kid that committed, one that as being recruited by a number of league schools, who when he committed was quoted as saying he was impressed by how many people showed up to our games. Seems when he visited we had 41/42/43k people in the stands, which probably was a smaller number than several of the other schools he visited on game days but their stadiums had 20k or more obvious empty seats.
Fill the stadium we already have and it impresses kids. Our home attendance we now have is hurting our recruiting efforts way more than the appearance of the west side. I'd bet most kids are far mor blown away by a full stadium than a pretty one.
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Post by obf on Nov 16, 2017 17:46:26 GMT -8
Right now we need to fill our current stadium before even thinking about rebuilding it. Back in the Riley years, those years board posters were complaining we needed to can Riley because people might stop coming to games if he stayed, there was a California kid that committed, one that as being recruited by a number of league schools, who when he committed was quoted as saying he was impressed by how many people showed up to our games. Seems when he visited we had 41/42/43k people in the stands, which probably was a smaller number than several of the other schools he visited on game days but their stadiums had 20k or more obvious empty seats. Fill the stadium we already have and it impresses kids. Our home attendance we now have is hurting our recruiting efforts way more than the appearance of the west side. I'd bet most kids are far mor blown away by a full stadium than a pretty one. Its amazing what effect a filled raucous crowd can have on folks... Recruits came away from the filled WBB games taken aback, even in the "I won't even get started with" Gill Coliseum... Personally I love Gill and think it is fine as is... Pack that place with 10K and it is a GREAT facility and a GREAT home court advantage... |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 16, 2017 20:42:51 GMT -8
Football players probably spend the least amount of their football-related activities in the stadium.
We have an outstanding locker room/total football facility. The weight room needs a new floor and some minor upgrades, but otherwise is fine. The practice fields and indoor center are excellent. The academic center is top-notch. The medical center is first-rate. Also, players can park within 100 feet of their workout areas.
All of our football facilities are located within a 1/4-mile radius, all on-campus and close to classrooms/dorms. As far as convenience goes, we might have the best football plant in the conference.
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Post by ag87 on Nov 16, 2017 21:12:26 GMT -8
Football players probably spend the least amount of their football-related activities in the stadium. We have an outstanding locker room/total football facility. The weight room needs a new floor and some minor upgrades, but otherwise is fine. The practice fields and indoor center are excellent. The academic center is top-notch. The medical center is first-rate. Also, players can park within 100 feet of their workout areas. All of our football facilities are located within a 1/4-mile radius, all on-campus and close to classrooms/dorms. As far as convenience goes, we might have the best football plant in the conference. Dovetailing with your comments, the facilities in Eugene are very nice but they are off-campus. As a student-athlete, do you want to be forced to either drive or make a 25 minute walk (each way) twice a day? |
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Post by seastape on Nov 16, 2017 21:28:16 GMT -8
Right now we need to fill our current stadium before even thinking about rebuilding it. Back in the Riley years, those years board posters were complaining we needed to can Riley because people might stop coming to games if he stayed, there was a California kid that committed, one that as being recruited by a number of league schools, who when he committed was quoted as saying he was impressed by how many people showed up to our games. Seems when he visited we had 41/42/43k people in the stands, which probably was a smaller number than several of the other schools he visited on game days but their stadiums had 20k or more obvious empty seats. Fill the stadium we already have and it impresses kids. Our home attendance we now have is hurting our recruiting efforts way more than the appearance of the west side. I'd bet most kids are far mor blown away by a full stadium than a pretty one. Its amazing what effect a filled raucous crowd can have on folks... Recruits came away from the filled WBB games taken aback, even in the "I won't even get started with" Gill Coliseum... Personally I love Gill and think it is fine as is... Pack that place with 10K and it is a GREAT facility and a GREAT home court advantage... One of the greatest basketball games I ever saw outside of Gill Coliseum was in old, rickety, tight, close- quartered Harmon Gym between OSU and Cal in 1993. I dragged my then-girlfriend, who could not for the life of her understand why I liked college basketball, to the game. The game was one lead change after another and Harmon literally shook from the crowd noise. OSU won by one point when Lamond Murray's three point shot bounced, bounced and bounced off the rim and out as time expired. The crowd was still raucous after the game was over; they knew they had seen an epic game. I turned to my girlfriend and asked her what she thought. She was shaking and said, "I get it." This is a long way of saying that the age and condition of an arena doesn't matter for sh!!! if you provide a good product. Harmon was awesome that day. Put a good team in, and Reser (and Gill) will fill up. Then think about improvements. |
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Post by jdogge on Nov 16, 2017 23:39:08 GMT -8
As equally or or even more important is upgrading our facilities. One has to just stand at mid-field at Reser and look west. The westside grandstand looks like a tenement. After we fix that we must enclose the south end upper tier. There is more to this than just a "build it and they will come" philosophy. We must obviously also put a competitive team on the field at the same time as well. How can any of us expect a young man, in this day and age, to not see what we lack in facilities. They have many other choices to make from schools who have new and modern facilities. If you go to the grocery store in the vegetable section, are you going to buy the onion that looks and feels fresh and crisp or the one with the dark mold on it. We built the "new " side some 15 years ago with promises of doing the west side soon after. Simply put....hasn't happened. You would think the powers to be who have spent money elsewhere would understand which sport supports most all the others in the athletic department. So we can debate who should be hired until the cows come home. The reality is until we invest in the programs facilities we will just be treading water at best. Yes, it costs a great deal of money but other universities find a way to get it done. The new HC will be at an immediate, distinct disadvatage in recruiting the minute the ink is dry on his new contract. Reality sucks. I won't even comment on Gill Coliseum. Write a check. |
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Post by jdogge on Nov 17, 2017 0:10:21 GMT -8
Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever walked another campus and see the facilities... some stadiums not even on campus and falling apart. Some you're literally 30-40 yards from the field. Others are just pigs with lipstick... I'd rate Cal the worst by far... as least for overall facilities and campus that seems to be in disrepair almost everywhere. Also, UCLA only had an 80 yard practice field until 2015, when they finally obtained a full size practice field. Attending their math class might have helped them measure better. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 17, 2017 6:28:34 GMT -8
I didn't know there was a proposed upper tier on the south side...that would be what, another 10k seats? That's never gonna happen. Like, never.
But agree about the west side. It was stanky when I first sat there...in the 60s.
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Post by bennyskid on Nov 17, 2017 8:30:42 GMT -8
Duke and Butler will never be any good until they do something about those ancient fieldhouses of theirs . . .
The recruits don't sit in the stadium seats when they choose a school. They look a lot harder at the locker rooms and practice facilities, which show the level of commitment of the school to *their* development and well-being. And right now, we stand pretty well at that, with all our facilities being fairly new and closely integrated with each other and the campus. Having the medical facility right there is a nice bonus, too. We're in pretty good shape all around.
Upgrading Reser is for us, the fans, and it should be done. But it should be based on realistic expectations for attendance, which is declining nationwide due to the aforementioned big screen HDTVs. And it shouldn't be done with a damn-the-debt-torpedoes attitude. Gill just needs a few modest upgrades - a ceiling jumbotron, in particular.
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 17, 2017 8:48:11 GMT -8
It's hard to sell the program to anyone, coaches, players, recruits, fans, when we have the worst facilities in the conference. If a coach has a choice between two otherwise equal programs, why would he or she pick the one with the worse facilities that will only make his/her long term success less likely? ============================= We do not have the worst facilities in the conference. Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever walked another campus and see the facilities... some stadiums not even on campus and falling apart. Some you're literally 30-40 yards from the field. Others are just pigs with lipstick... I'd rate Cal the worst by far... as least for overall facilities and campus that seems to be in disrepair almost everywhere. This 100% |
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 17, 2017 8:49:28 GMT -8
As equally or or even more important is upgrading our facilities. One has to just stand at mid-field at Reser and look west. The westside grandstand looks like a tenement. After we fix that we must enclose the south end upper tier. There is more to this than just a "build it and they will come" philosophy. We must obviously also put a competitive team on the field at the same time as well. How can any of us expect a young man, in this day and age, to not see what we lack in facilities. They have many other choices to make from schools who have new and modern facilities. If you go to the grocery store in the vegetable section, are you going to buy the onion that looks and feels fresh and crisp or the one with the dark mold on it. We built the "new " side some 15 years ago with promises of doing the west side soon after. Simply put....hasn't happened. You would think the powers to be who have spent money elsewhere would understand which sport supports most all the others in the athletic department. So we can debate who should be hired until the cows come home. The reality is until we invest in the programs facilities we will just be treading water at best. Yes, it costs a great deal of money but other universities find a way to get it done. The new HC will be at an immediate, distinct disadvatage in recruiting the minute the ink is dry on his new contract. Reality sucks. I won't even comment on Gill Coliseum. Write a check. No need, OSU has plenty of money and resources. In fact they have already started writing checks and are going to write more in the near future |
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