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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 18:30:02 GMT -8
IMO I think they should stick with Collins. Yes his accuracy is inconsistent, but he has a good arm and I think with experience he will improve as a passer and lets face it his legs are the only thing that come close to worrying an opposing Defensive Coordinator. What is so terrible about having them both play? I would be experimenting with different personnel groupings and schemes. If it falls flat, it falls flat. We aren't going to beat anyone left on the schedule anyway, barring an extreme screw up or succession of flukes on the field. Time to figure out who the game day players are. Someone like Nall, who was kind of in between positions, could have sat on the bench interminably had we not had a series of injuries at RB.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 26, 2015 18:34:56 GMT -8
IMO I think they should stick with Collins. Yes his accuracy is inconsistent, but he has a good arm and I think with experience he will improve as a passer and lets face it his legs are the only thing that come close to worrying an opposing Defensive Coordinator. What is so terrible about having them both play? I would be experimenting with different personnel groupings and schemes. If it falls flat, it falls flat. We aren't going to beat anyone left on the schedule anyway, barring an extreme screw up or succession of flukes on the field. Time to figure out who the game day players are. Someone like Nall, who was kind of in between positions, could have sat on the bench interminably had we not had a series of injuries at RB. What did you see out of Mitchell that makes you want to take time from Collins? 9/24, 122 yrds, 1 int, 12.2 QBR I don't want to see anymore of that.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 26, 2015 19:21:29 GMT -8
kind of bizarre how mitchell was injected into things kind of like Katz/Mannion of years back. Also wonder what's up with Storm? is he hurt or they just moved on from him now??
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Post by ronatemg on Oct 26, 2015 19:23:36 GMT -8
What is so terrible about having them both play? I would be experimenting with different personnel groupings and schemes. If it falls flat, it falls flat. We aren't going to beat anyone left on the schedule anyway, barring an extreme screw up or succession of flukes on the field. Time to figure out who the game day players are. Someone like Nall, who was kind of in between positions, could have sat on the bench interminably had we not had a series of injuries at RB. What did you see out of Mitchell that makes you want to take time from Collins? 9/24, 122 yrds, 1 int, 12.2 QBR I don't want to see anymore of that. There were several drops in some big situations /cough Bolden...In addition Guyton catches a deep one towards the end of the first half, but does a needless push off and gets flagged for offensive PI. I have to admit I was a little surprised at the numbers themselves as I thought they would have been better given the game I watched. If those plays are made the numbers would have looked a lot better than that stat line. Personally I'm not sure either one is the QB of the future and I don't expect Mitchell to run the offense to perfection, but he did stay in the pocket longer and allow the play to develop a bit longer than Collins would have who would have just tucked and run. Most of Collins' yards through the air came on roll out plays where there was only one option downfield and he was wide open. After the Stanford game there has been a huge drop off in production from Collins and I think there is enough tape on him down to confuse the heck out of him in passing situations.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Oct 26, 2015 19:34:20 GMT -8
Not saying it is terrible if they play 2 QBs. Just that there is an opportunity cost in not getting Collins more game reps. Mitchell must have shown something in practice, but based on what he showed in the game on Saturday he is not any more effective as passer then Collins. IMO Collins gives them the best chance to win and he has the most upside for the future.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 27, 2015 7:43:54 GMT -8
kind of bizarre how mitchell was injected into things kind of like Katz/Mannion of years back. Also wonder what's up with Storm? is he hurt or they just moved on from him now?? Apparently Storm's knee is much worse than we've previously believed. Surprised why he's even suited up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 8:21:04 GMT -8
What did you see out of Mitchell that makes you want to take time from Collins? 9/24, 122 yrds, 1 int, 12.2 QBR I don't want to see anymore of that. There were several drops in some big situations /cough Bolden...In addition Guyton catches a deep one towards the end of the first half, but does a needless push off and gets flagged for offensive PI. I have to admit I was a little surprised at the numbers themselves as I thought they would have been better given the game I watched. If those plays are made the numbers would have looked a lot better than that stat line. Personally I'm not sure either one is the QB of the future and I don't expect Mitchell to run the offense to perfection, but he did stay in the pocket longer and allow the play to develop a bit longer than Collins would have who would have just tucked and run. Most of Collins' yards through the air came on roll out plays where there was only one option downfield and he was wide open. After the Stanford game there has been a huge drop off in production from Collins and I think there is enough tape on him down to confuse the heck out of him in passing situations. This is essentially what I've been thinking. I would add that injecting some drop back plays, where the QB actually follows through on the progressions and lets the patterns develop, might help our wide receivers by spreading the ball around a little better, giving them more opportunities. That can help us down the road if the staff determines that this guy Garretson (who is supposed to be an excellent pocket passer) should join the mix. Up to this point in the year I would say our wide receiving corps has regressed. I would get some younger guys in the mix to see what they can do. I really like Guyton. Would like to see him develop.
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Post by beavered on Oct 27, 2015 9:20:17 GMT -8
kind of bizarre how mitchell was injected into things kind of like Katz/Mannion of years back. Also wonder what's up with Storm? is he hurt or they just moved on from him now?? Apparently Storm's knee is much worse than we've previously believed. Surprised why he's even suited up. Don't think so. It's not the doctors/trainers keeping Storm out, it's Storm. I think anyone who has followed the team knows that Storm gets dinged a lot. For whatever reason, it seems that Storm believes these dings to be more problematic than anyone else, including the medical staff. It's not a new thing, although Andersen pretty much confirmed it a few weeks ago. His comment was something to the effect that Storm was not confident in his ability to play productively, or something like that and that he (Andersen) was not going to run a guy out there that had doubts in his ability to perform due to a medical issue. Honestly, I thought Andersen went out of his way to defend Storm even though he very well may be frustrated. Hell, Mike Leach probably would have sent him to an equipment shed months ago. I think the OP may be on to something in that "they just moved on from him now", especially given how Nall has played. It's not about punishment or assigning blame, it's just the reality of the situation. The coaches have enough to worry about without the constant questions about Storm's availability.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 27, 2015 9:24:48 GMT -8
Apparently Storm's knee is much worse than we've previously believed. Surprised why he's even suited up. Don't think so. It's not the doctors/trainers keeping Storm out, it's Storm. I think anyone who has followed the team knows that Storm gets dinged a lot. For whatever reason, it seems that Storm believes these dings to be more problematic than anyone else, including the medical staff. It's not a new thing, although Andersen pretty much confirmed it a few weeks ago. His comment was something to the effect that Storm was not confident in his ability to play productively, or something like that and that he (Andersen) was not going to run a guy out there that had doubts in his ability to perform due to a medical issue. Honestly, I thought Andersen went out of his way to defend Storm even though he very well may be frustrated. Hell, Mike Leach probably would have sent him to an equipment shed months ago. I think the OP may be on to something in that "they just moved on from him now", especially given how Nall has played. It's not about punishment or assigning blame, it's just the reality of the situation. The coaches have enough to worry about without the constant questions about Storm's availability. That's what I was thinking as well with Storm but Beaverblitz (hi OA) keeps insisting that his knees are worse than what we as fans have been told. Dwight Wright part II comes to mind, serviceable but easily eclipsed by those around him.
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Post by beaver24 on Oct 27, 2015 9:26:02 GMT -8
I can completely agree why people would want Seth. I want them both on the field at the same time if possible. But Mitchel especially after re watching the tape I am looking forward to seeing him again. Hope the Best for either of them.
Also I would note the offense did not completely change as was eluded to earlier. I think they went under center about 40% of the time he was in the rest was spread with off set back.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 27, 2015 9:44:35 GMT -8
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Post by beavdowg on Oct 27, 2015 10:26:22 GMT -8
I'd like to see Mitchell get a chance to run the ball a little bit. He's obviously not near the running threat that Seth is but we only need him to pick up 10-12 yards a pop, or maybe just 2-3 if it moves the chains. Here's the way I look at it: Mitchell seemed to be much better suited to passing the ball, that a threat on the defense. If we get our RB's going then that should open up Mitchell keeping now and then for some gains. We're not asking him to rip off a 40 yard run, not likely, but when the defense isn't ready for it because of a productive running game with the RB's, he can fake the handoff and keep it around the edge for some yardage. That coupled with his pressuring the defense with the passing game starts to open up our offense. Mitchell didn't keep the ball and run once that I remember last weekend. Seth doesn't pose much of a passing threat at all so the defense keys on him and our running game and we become one dimensional.
I'd just like to see what Mitchell could do running the complete offense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 10:57:36 GMT -8
I'd like to see Mitchell get a chance to run the ball a little bit. He's obviously not near the running threat that Seth is but we only need him to pick up 10-12 yards a pop, or maybe just 2-3 if it moves the chains. Here's the way I look at it: Mitchell seemed to be much better suited to passing the ball, that a threat on the defense. If we get our RB's going then that should open up Mitchell keeping now and then for some gains. We're not asking him to rip off a 40 yard run, not likely, but when the defense isn't ready for it because of a productive running game with the RB's, he can fake the handoff and keep it around the edge for some yardage. That coupled with his pressuring the defense with the passing game starts to open up our offense. Mitchell didn't keep the ball and run once that I remember last weekend. Seth doesn't pose much of a passing threat at all so the defense keys on him and our running game and we become one dimensional. I'd just like to see what Mitchell could do running the complete offense. Disagree that, "Seth doesn't pose much of a passing threat at all." He is not Rahim Muhammad. He has connected on some really nice plays that showed both arm and accuracy. His biggest problem is he isn't comfortable with the five or seven step drop and long developing route tree. But he throws fine on the run. He threw for 77 yards on five completions throwing on the run. I don't see anything wrong with including that in our offense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 11:26:09 GMT -8
While I doubt he's seen many reps, Mitchell certainly didn't blow me away with his footwork and accuracy, especially on the slant routes. However, I could see the potential for a ton of improvement between his game 1 and game 2. That said, I don't see any way that Andersen doesn't look like an idiot now for running off Del Rio, if he's not going to write off the season and work on implementing his system regardless what we have to work with at QB. I didn't understand the Del Rio thing either. My credentials in evaluating football talent are that I'm a monkey on a keyboard but I thought he should have been the starter this year. Take your best talent on the roster currently and adjust the offense to him. It's not like Del Rio couldn't run either.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 27, 2015 11:49:16 GMT -8
Don't think so. It's not the doctors/trainers keeping Storm out, it's Storm. I think anyone who has followed the team knows that Storm gets dinged a lot. For whatever reason, it seems that Storm believes these dings to be more problematic than anyone else, including the medical staff. It's not a new thing, although Andersen pretty much confirmed it a few weeks ago. His comment was something to the effect that Storm was not confident in his ability to play productively, or something like that and that he (Andersen) was not going to run a guy out there that had doubts in his ability to perform due to a medical issue. Honestly, I thought Andersen went out of his way to defend Storm even though he very well may be frustrated. Hell, Mike Leach probably would have sent him to an equipment shed months ago. I think the OP may be on to something in that "they just moved on from him now", especially given how Nall has played. It's not about punishment or assigning blame, it's just the reality of the situation. The coaches have enough to worry about without the constant questions about Storm's availability. That's what I was thinking as well with Storm but Beaverblitz (hi OA) keeps insisting that his knees are worse than what we as fans have been told. Dwight Wright part II comes to mind, serviceable but easily eclipsed by those around him. Knees are somewhat problematic, at least they used to be. Injured one of mine 3 times in a year, spent time in a cast and rehab but never surgery. It gives me trouble off and on to this day. I was talking to a couple ortho docs maybe 5 years ago and their recommendation was to put off surgery as long as possible... same recommendation as in 1978. I'd bet a lot of kids play with essentially chronic knee issues that are cleared to play because they aren't bad enough to "require" surgery.
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