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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 7, 2017 19:08:12 GMT -8
Defense is playing hard. Garrettson was a warrior today and the coaches called plays to his abilities/strengths. The offense made big improvements. This was SC, and we were overmatched, other teams will likely be saying that this year as well.
We we still have a long way to go, but this was a better game, despite the score, than I've been seeing lately.
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Post by seastape on Oct 7, 2017 19:26:36 GMT -8
Defense is playing hard. Garrettson was a warrior today and the coaches called plays to his abilities/strengths. The offense made big improvements. This was SC, and we were overmatched, other teams will likely be saying that this year as well. We we still have a long way to go, but this was a better game, despite the score, than I've been seeing lately. Agreed. I'll add parts of the UW game, as well, esp. the defense in the first half of that game. The score of this game could have been a little closer without some key miscues by the offense deep in SC territory. Garretson showed that he can actually throw downfield. I also feel good about our RB contingent. I think we could get 1 or 2 more wins out of this year, with an outside shot at 3.
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 7, 2017 20:27:31 GMT -8
Uhhhhh, what game were you guys watching?
Defense improved? We surrendered 38 points and 512 yards of total yards to the Trojans. That’s improved? That’s called not stopping them.
Offense improved? 10 points scored and 319 yards of total offense. Not to mention only 60 yards for Pierce. Those are bottom of the conference type stats.
Those are not signs of improvement in a 4 TD loss. When they are able to play 4 full quarters of ball then we can say they are improved
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 7, 2017 20:48:20 GMT -8
No offense korculabeav, six minutes into the game I thought they would drop 70 on us. OSU moved the ball, they failed to punch it in but against some teams that could change. You do realize this was USC? Do you realize USC's water boy and team manager were probably recruited by more schools than most of the players we face the rest of the year? We are really overmatched against them athletically, and we don't have the scheme to compete wth them at this point. Compared to the UW game though, our offense was much improved, 319 tops 180 any day. I did not say it was good, but it's improved and when we hit a softer team it should work better. I think we've really got a shot at winning a couple games later this season... hardly satisfying but it sure would beat losing them all.
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Post by nabeav on Oct 7, 2017 20:55:33 GMT -8
I gotta agree with Korcula. Seemed to me like once it was 14-0 after 5 minutes, USC decided to mail it in from there. They were sloppy, lazy, and just looked like they wanted to put forth the minimum possible effort to maintain their lead, and they actually continued to extend it throughout the game. I liked seeing Seth’s catches - he may have a future as a receiver yet. Up til now I’ve kind of seen him as a fast guy without a position that we knew needed to be on the field somewhere. I thought Garretson mixed in some good throws, but defensively I’m not sure what there is to be all that excited about. Hungalu’s pick was nice, but all the other mistakes USC made were self inflicted. For the second time this season, a backup QB ran untouched for 50+ yards on us. 512 is a lot of yards to give up, particularly when the time of possession was almost even.
Also, special teams was a nightmare minus Hicks Onu’s hustle on the punt coverage. Still, that guy makes the smart play and fair catches it and his hustle is for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 21:03:01 GMT -8
Defense is playing hard. Garrettson was a warrior today and the coaches called plays to his abilities/strengths. The offense made big improvements. This was SC, and we were overmatched, other teams will likely be saying that this year as well. We we still have a long way to go, but this was a better game, despite the score, than I've been seeing lately. Garretson will not be the reason the beavs win a game. Beavs might win in spite of him or if he manages the game enough that he manages not to throw it away. He just doesnt throw the ball well enough for this conference. He is not a passing quarterback and he isn't going to make enough plays with his legs to be a threat. That said, you are correct about the D. Some good things seem to be happening on that side of the ball. Could trip somebody up in the remainining constests if we get some cheap TDs to stake a lead.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 7, 2017 21:32:39 GMT -8
I don't see Garrettson "winning" games either, certainly not on his own, but I can see a game manager being behind center and if the team doesn't screw up a win could occur. I do see him capable of filling that role. It'll take some help.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 7, 2017 22:27:56 GMT -8
anything of course is possible but I wouldn't bet that this team can win another game this year. At the most they might win 1 if the other team chokes.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 7, 2017 23:05:47 GMT -8
There are definitely some other not good football teams in this conference - we get to see the first of those next week.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 7, 2017 23:40:04 GMT -8
There are definitely some other not good football teams in this conference - we get to see the first of those next week. Colorado is better than us... significantly so... in almost every important stat. So, what does that make OSU if they are "not good"?
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 8, 2017 0:27:01 GMT -8
I know you like to argue everything, but judging by their own board, Colorado is not good. Playing a not good team is definitely better for us than playing a top-15 team like we have the last 3 weeks. Note: nowhere did I make the argument that we are any good.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 8, 2017 7:18:10 GMT -8
I know you like to argue everything, but judging by their own board, Colorado is not good. Playing a not good team is definitely better for us than playing a top-15 team like we have the last 3 weeks. Note: nowhere did I make the argument that we are any good. And, I realize you trend toward not reading posts or interpreting in an personal way. NOTE... You said "other not good" teams. That equates OSU and Colorado as similar. I didn't argue, but stated statistical facts to show we are not on equal footing by objective means. (What does fan board chatter have to do with whether a team is better than another by statistical measures? And, if so, you doubt that Buff fans still expect to win Saturday?) I then asked a question which you chose not to answer, but indeed argue a point I never made. My post may have been sarcasm, but certainly not an argument... as that would indicate I stated our future schedule was full of good teams.
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 8, 2017 9:49:21 GMT -8
No offense korculabeav, six minutes into the game I thought they would drop 70 on us. OSU moved the ball, they failed to punch it in but against some teams that could change. You do realize this was USC? Do you realize USC's water boy and team manager were probably recruited by more schools than most of the players we face the rest of the year? We are really overmatched against them athletically, and we don't have the scheme to compete wth them at this point. Compared to the UW game though, our offense was much improved, 319 tops 180 any day. I did not say it was good, but it's improved and when we hit a softer team it should work better. I think we've really got a shot at winning a couple games later this season... hardly satisfying but it sure would beat losing them all. I see maybe one more win likely against Cal (see other thread with my thoughts on this). All the other opponents have too much firepower for OSU to beat them when OSU can't even put together 3 complete quarters of solid effort or execution.
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Post by seastape on Oct 8, 2017 10:11:12 GMT -8
I understand all the points you people who say we won't win another game are making and I largely agree with them. It would not surprise me if we do not win another game.
On the other hand...yes, I do see improvement in defense: Keeping UW and SC down to 42 and 38 points, respectively, is an improvement over the 58 CSU (CSU!!) and the 48 Minnesota (Minnesota!!) dropped on us. Our defense is getting better against much stronger games. In fact, if we had won the CSU and UM games in tight contest, losing to UW 42-7 and SC 38-10 would not alarm me in the slightest. After our first 3 games, I thought both of those teams were going to drop at least 55 and more likely 60 on us.
I saw improvement on the offense against SC, as well. Garretson was able to complete more that just RB swing passes and screens; he actually threw a few downfield. It gives me some hope. No interceptions. Collins and Hodgins are good receivers.
Special teams? There are some decent things there. Porebeski is putting the ball where no one, not even Pettis from UW, can return it. That'll help.
A lot of the criticism that others are mentioning I agree with and have posted such: Garretson will most likely not win games on his own, I have zero trust in the staff to game plan, our rush D is weak, etc. However, the Beavs have shown signs of decency against both UW and SC of late, and even did a couple decent things against WSU. Not by any stretch would I bet on OSU to win more games this season, but I think it is realistic to believe that they can. I think they will win one or two more.
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Post by electricbeaver on Oct 8, 2017 16:12:01 GMT -8
Uhhhhh, what game were you guys watching? Defense improved? We surrendered 38 points and 512 yards of total yards to the Trojans. That’s improved? That’s called not stopping them. Offense improved? 10 points scored and 319 yards of total offense. Not to mention only 60 yards for Pierce. Those are bottom of the conference type stats. Those are not signs of improvement in a 4 TD loss. When they are able to play 4 full quarters of ball then we can say they are improved I agree, not much in the improvement area. It seems that going from two or three good plays in a game to four to eight good plays per game is not improving. When it seems the only times our offense gets into the opponent’s side is a muffed punt, or a fumble; when the cannot get one yard for first down (throwing a screen pass?); when the QB can’t get close to 50% completion until the opponent defense consists of third and fourth stringers - There is no improvement. This is so frustrating because, “We have been to the top of the mountain! We have seen the promised land!” But this coaching staff doesn’t know where opening in the paper bag is located. We ain’t getting there with CGA leading the team.) (No insult to MLK Jr. was intended)
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